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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 18, 2017 10:02:34 GMT
Maybe it’s wasn’t a meeting, maybe it had f*ck all to do with official Oxvox business and the 3 of them just went for a pint, maybe tiger wasn’t even there would u sign a NDA or Inform members over Darryls favourite tipple. Getting into conspiracy theory realms
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Post by sarge on Nov 18, 2017 13:55:05 GMT
Maybe it was an informal get together? optimistically perhaps it was with the intention to arrange a time, place and venue for the DE agreed fans forum for December?
In Jem we trust
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 18, 2017 13:57:07 GMT
Maybe it was an informal get together? optimistically perhaps it was with the intention to arrange a time, place and venue for the DE agreed fans forum for December? In Jem we trust Or this years agm
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Post by mcf86 on Nov 20, 2017 13:59:20 GMT
Until they meet in the North stand bogs I won't be getting my hopes of a deal up.
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Post by charliesghost on Nov 20, 2017 19:10:42 GMT
Maybe it’s wasn’t a meeting, maybe it had f*ck all to do with official Oxvox business and the 3 of them just went for a pint, maybe tiger wasn’t even there would u sign a NDA or Inform members over Darryls favourite tipple. Getting into conspiracy theory realms Easy enough just to say "No meeting took place; so nothing to report". Whatever we all disagree on, I don't think that any of us quite believe that others are brazenly lying when we state things as straight fact. But the silence on a straight question, when members of the OxVox committee are buzzing around the rest of the forum like angry wasps, means that whoever said that they did have a secret meeting with Tiger stands un-corrected as of now. Thus any reasonable person would deduce that a secret meeting has indeed taken place. That meeting sits un-easy with me as a founding committee member of OxVox. The Supporters Trust movement has lofty ideals, and fully independent and transparent representation of supporters interests is a sine qua non. Both the independent and the transparent elements of that are important. The former, because once a Trust becomes overly concerned as to what the club thinks of it, it will stop asking the questions that need to be asked... and the club's failure to answer questions adequately will not be highlighted, so they won't be held to account. And transparency is important because this we are not talking about a sub-Saharan "benevolent dictatorship" where citizens are expected to profess long-term blind trust and allegiance to a particular personality. The officers of OxVox are no bigger or better than the positions they represent. Tiger and Darryl don't want or need to meet with Jeremy Faulkner. They want the support of the chairman of the Supporters Trust. To obtain that support, as was the case with IL with Sennett and is the case with most other football club chairmen, they will try gently to dis-engage the chairman of the Trust from his transparency and independence and try to get him to be a mouthpiece. Secret off the record chats are a classic tactic to do this, and IL often tried it with Sennett. It's not evil; it's normal. The Trust chairman is made to feel important and central... but for that he trades in his right to ask questions openly and without fear or favour. The question is: once he/ she has done that (traded his role as a public, independent check on what is going on at the football club), what is the point of him/ her? And what is the point of the Trust? It has become a Supporters Club rather than a Supporters Trust (big difference).
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 20, 2017 19:22:34 GMT
Maybe u should take him up on his offer of an open meeting then, u can raise this point as well as talk everyone through the WE emails. This would be the same trust and chairman that was having a full on ding dong with the owner through the press, over the stadium? Hardly a cosy supporters club relationship. And correct me if I’m wrong but a supporters trust isn’t just about asking difficult questions, it’s also about improving the relationship between fans and club, and the match day experience. The current committee have been doing great work, with taking disadvantaged kids to Wembley, buying season tickets for kids that need a boost. Helping set up an area to allow the ultras to solve their issues with the club. Got further with fk than any owner has managed on the stadium issue, As well as attracting a bigger membership than at any point under any previous regime. Which considering some of the past owners and circumstances that needed fan backing is a pretty reasonable barometer of how highly fans regard Jem wouldn’t u
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Post by uptheus on Nov 20, 2017 23:52:44 GMT
Maybe u should take him up on his offer of an open meeting then, u can raise this point as well as talk everyone through the WE emails. This would be the same trust and chairman that was having a full on ding dong with the owner through the press, over the stadium? Hardly a cosy supporters club relationship. And correct me if I’m wrong but a supporters trust isn’t just about asking difficult questions, it’s also about improving the relationship between fans and club, and the match day experience. The current committee have been doing great work, with taking disadvantaged kids to Wembley, buying season tickets for kids that need a boost. Helping set up an area to allow the ultras to solve their issues with the club. Got further with fk than any owner has managed on the stadium issue, As well as attracting a bigger membership than at any point under any previous regime. Which considering some of the past owners and circumstances that needed fan backing is a pretty reasonable barometer of how highly fans regard Jem wouldn’t u The think the relationship between Darryl and OxVox/Jem has definitely shifted since the ding dong that you're referring to, in that it/they now seems more cordial which might be a good thing, but I think it now makes it more difficult to ask/challenge/probe the club/Darryl on those sensitive concerning issues. Hence, if OxVox did meet with Tiger and they were asked to sign an NDA, then I think they should have pushed back and made the members aware of the difficult position they find themselves in. If that had happened, then I fairly convinced that OxVox could have rallied the members/fans to support them in their decision, then what would have Tiger/Darryl done?
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 21, 2017 6:45:01 GMT
Maybe u should take him up on his offer of an open meeting then, u can raise this point as well as talk everyone through the WE emails. This would be the same trust and chairman that was having a full on ding dong with the owner through the press, over the stadium? Hardly a cosy supporters club relationship. And correct me if I’m wrong but a supporters trust isn’t just about asking difficult questions, it’s also about improving the relationship between fans and club, and the match day experience. The current committee have been doing great work, with taking disadvantaged kids to Wembley, buying season tickets for kids that need a boost. Helping set up an area to allow the ultras to solve their issues with the club. Got further with fk than any owner has managed on the stadium issue, As well as attracting a bigger membership than at any point under any previous regime. Which considering some of the past owners and circumstances that needed fan backing is a pretty reasonable barometer of how highly fans regard Jem wouldn’t u The think the relationship between Darryl and OxVox/Jem has definitely shifted since the ding dong that you're referring to, in that it/they now seems more cordial which might be a good thing, but I think it now makes it more difficult to ask/challenge/probe the club/Darryl on those sensitive concerning issues. Hence, if OxVox did meet with Tiger and they were asked to sign an NDA, then I think they should have pushed back and made the members aware of the difficult position they find themselves in. If that had happened, then I fairly convinced that OxVox could have ralleyed the members/fans to support them in their decision, then what would have Tiger/Darryl done? Yet we still don’t know they have signed anything do we ! Do you draw straws as to who will answer ? How about Charles answers his own question? Instead of diverting onto the next subject Are you going to accept jems offer and attend a meeting with the email evidence, or are u going to just keep complaining about it on here, switching to a different subject when u get called out on it ? Followed by personal digs at anyone u questions it. Must be hard being an Oufc fan in ur circuit . Darryl is evil and running the club into the ground Tiger is evil and bringing in terrible people to run the club Oxvox are evil and supporting the evil owner and new potential evil owner. Then There is a gang of evil fans plotting as well. Not to mention the potential relegation battle we are a few losses away from. Fun times
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Post by charliesghost on Nov 21, 2017 8:29:07 GMT
The think the relationship between Darryl and OxVox/Jem has definitely shifted since the ding dong that you're referring to, in that it/they now seems more cordial which might be a good thing, but I think it now makes it more difficult to ask/challenge/probe the club/Darryl on those sensitive concerning issues. Hence, if OxVox did meet with Tiger and they were asked to sign an NDA, then I think they should have pushed back and made the members aware of the difficult position they find themselves in. If that had happened, then I fairly convinced that OxVox could have ralleyed the members/fans to support them in their decision, then what would have Tiger/Darryl done? Yet we still don’t know they have signed anything do we ! Do you draw straws as to who will answer ? How about Charles answers his own question? Instead of diverting onto the next subject Are you going to accept jems offer and attend a meeting with the email evidence, or are u going to just keep complaining about it on here, switching to a different subject when u get called out on it ? Followed by personal digs at anyone u questions it. Must be hard being an Oufc fan in ur circuit . Darryl is evil and running the club into the ground Tiger is evil and bringing in terrible people to run the club Oxvox are evil and supporting the evil owner and new potential evil owner. Then There is a gang of evil fans plotting as well. Not to mention the potential relegation battle we are a few losses away from. Fun times The 'achievements' you mention are either non-existent/failure (the stadium situation has been a gigantic red herring) or else entirely un-germane to the point of a supporters trust (buying some fans some tickets has nothing to do with the future sustainability of the club). Haven't seen Jeremy's kind offer of an Open Meeting to discuss the stadium situation (I shall seek it out shortly). I presume that this is his carefully thought -through strategy to avoid having a respected poster on this forum reveal that Water Eaton is, in fact, a potential go-er. By smiling and offering an Open Meeting he knows that private emails from landowners and councillors will not be able to be showed to a public meeting, as it would more or less guarantee the thing is killed. All very (or rather slightly) clever, but why is that in the interests of the long-term interests of the club? As Stewart has said, we should be actively pursuing all avenues, including water eaton and others, and pushing for a stadium solution that actually works. Trying to work behind the scenes to destroy options seems to me irresponsible and a bit 'dark.' It's getting to the point where one wonders what is really going on. Why the desperation to do any deal, no matter how crappy, to stay at Grenoble Road?
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 21, 2017 8:49:09 GMT
Yet we still don’t know they have signed anything do we ! Do you draw straws as to who will answer ? How about Charles answers his own question? Instead of diverting onto the next subject Are you going to accept jems offer and attend a meeting with the email evidence, or are u going to just keep complaining about it on here, switching to a different subject when u get called out on it ? Followed by personal digs at anyone u questions it. Must be hard being an Oufc fan in ur circuit . Darryl is evil and running the club into the ground Tiger is evil and bringing in terrible people to run the club Oxvox are evil and supporting the evil owner and new potential evil owner. Then There is a gang of evil fans plotting as well. Not to mention the potential relegation battle we are a few losses away from. Fun times The 'achievements' you mention are either non-existent/failure (the stadium situation has been a gigantic red herring) or else entirely un-germane to the point of a supporters trust (buying some fans some tickets has nothing to do with the future sustainability of the club). Haven't seen Jeremy's kind offer of an Open Meeting to discuss the stadium situation (I shall seek it out shortly). I presume that this is his carefully thought -through strategy to avoid having a respected poster on this forum reveal that Water Eaton is, in fact, a potential go-er. By smiling and offering an Open Meeting he knows that private emails from landowners and councillors will not be able to be showed to a public meeting, as it would more or less guarantee the thing is killed. All very (or rather slightly) clever, but why is that in the interests of the long-term interests of the club? As Stewart has said, we should be actively pursuing all avenues, including water eaton and others, and pushing for a stadium solution that actually works. Trying to work behind the scenes to destroy options seems to me irresponsible and a bit 'dark.' It's getting to the point where one wonders what is really going on. Why the desperation to do any deal, no matter how crappy, to stay at Grenoble Road? Buying tickets for disadvantaged kids is a non existent failure , and nothing to do with the sustainability of our club. WOW Totally disagree. I think this is the perfect opportunity for both sides . And I mean that 100% as a supporter of this club wanting the best outcome. Don’t look at it as an Oxvox meeting. If u think this is the best option for the club. Present it to the rest of us. And Jem can do the same. U have banged on for months about not seeing their workings, while not showing urs.Well let’s finish it. Cut the crap, the game playing , the agendas. Quit boring people to death on here with accusations and counter accusations. Let’s get everyone in a room , present both sides and come to some agreement on who is right or wrong, and find a way forward that we can all work together for the best stadium solution for our club. Or like with ur “questions” of Darryl none of u bother to attend, and get nowhere.
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Post by myles on Nov 21, 2017 9:55:10 GMT
I’m not going to pick up on the stadium debate here - that really deserves its own thread.
Getting back on topic, and the rumoured takeover, I’m simply staggered that 10 days after a meeting is said to have taken place, the supporters trust still cannot answer the basic question of whether a meeting even occurred.
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 21, 2017 10:11:11 GMT
I’m not going to pick up on the stadium debate here - that really deserves its own thread. Getting back on topic, and the rumoured takeover, I’m simply staggered that 10 days after a meeting is said to have taken place, the supporters trust still cannot answer the basic question of whether a meeting even occurred. Could u name a thread then, as u have all called this the most important situation concerning our club, yet every time anything gets mentioned u either say it’s for a different thread or all go quiet. There is a chance here to put everyones findings on the table, openly and find out who’s right and move forward to finding a solution. And it is relevant to a takeover. As it would be an asset that I seem to remember u said these new guys could strip ?
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Post by finlandia on Nov 21, 2017 10:18:14 GMT
OxVox are getting hammered on here. Unfairly in my opinion for lack of transparency and not informing members despite possible legal implications.
Can I bring up the RTB which was announced at a press conference by the old OxVow crew with no information beforehand on meetings or the actual decision to go ahead with this communicated to members.
A few who are hammering OxVox were involved in the RTB; so to them what’s the difference and why the hypocrisy now?
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Post by ox4eva on Nov 21, 2017 11:26:43 GMT
I think everyone wants the best for the club, the problem is FK and not DE, not OxVox and not the loyal fans!
I am sick of Charlie's pompous posts, he really does think he's better us 'normal' fans!
He has could surely get his consortium together and invest in the club but of course he would rather bitch from the sidelines and ramble on about WE!
I am personally not against any proposal for whatever is best for the future of OUFC, the scumbag that is FK must be laughing his socks off if he has visability of the threads on here and the egos of certain posters who seem to look down on others..
Would people stop with their personal agendas and focus on what's best for OUFC!!
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Post by londonroader on Nov 21, 2017 17:21:36 GMT
Yet we still don’t know they have signed anything do we ! Do you draw straws as to who will answer ? How about Charles answers his own question? Instead of diverting onto the next subject Are you going to accept jems offer and attend a meeting with the email evidence, or are u going to just keep complaining about it on here, switching to a different subject when u get called out on it ? Followed by personal digs at anyone u questions it. Must be hard being an Oufc fan in ur circuit . Darryl is evil and running the club into the ground Tiger is evil and bringing in terrible people to run the club Oxvox are evil and supporting the evil owner and new potential evil owner. Then There is a gang of evil fans plotting as well. Not to mention the potential relegation battle we are a few losses away from. Fun times The 'achievements' you mention are either non-existent/failure (the stadium situation has been a gigantic red herring) or else entirely un-germane to the point of a supporters trust (buying some fans some tickets has nothing to do with the future sustainability of the club). Haven't seen Jeremy's kind offer of an Open Meeting to discuss the stadium situation (I shall seek it out shortly). I presume that this is his carefully thought -through strategy to avoid having a respected poster on this forum reveal that Water Eaton is, in fact, a potential go-er. By smiling and offering an Open Meeting he knows that private emails from landowners and councillors will not be able to be showed to a public meeting, as it would more or less guarantee the thing is killed. All very (or rather slightly) clever, but why is that in the interests of the long-term interests of the club? As Stewart has said, we should be actively pursuing all avenues, including water eaton and others, and pushing for a stadium solution that actually works. Trying to work behind the scenes to destroy options seems to me irresponsible and a bit 'dark.' It's getting to the point where one wonders what is really going on. Why the desperation to do any deal, no matter how crappy, to stay at Grenoble Road? "respected" you are having a laugh young man. "respected" on an obscure internet site. You have to earn respect, the way you go around abusing posters I somehow don't think that works..
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Post by essexyellows on Nov 21, 2017 18:29:31 GMT
The members elect a committee to represent them. Those on said committee are trusted with doing what is right on behalf of the membership. I don`t remember anything compelling them to answer questions in a relatively dark corner of the internet? I don`t remember anything that says they have to report back on a meeting that may or may not have happened and may or may not have been formal/informal or may have been an introductory chat over a pint with DE & A.N Other investor..
Let them get on with representing a smallish proportion of our fanbase and if the likes of Myles & Charlie boy don`t like it they could set up an alternative group with their "Grand Plan".....and see how many members they attract.
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Post by robie on Nov 21, 2017 18:49:30 GMT
I wish there was a group representing supporters at the takeover talks when Nick Merry bought the club separately from the stadium and signed us up to years of overpaying to play at Grenoble Road.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Nov 21, 2017 21:16:12 GMT
I wish there was a group representing supporters at the takeover talks when Nick Merry bought the club separately from the stadium and signed us up to years of overpaying to play at Grenoble Road. Funny you should say that...
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 21, 2017 22:18:47 GMT
Instead we had a rasta storm the boardroom and then stop going to games...
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Post by myles on Nov 22, 2017 6:56:34 GMT
The members elect a committee to represent them. Those on said committee are trusted with doing what is right on behalf of the membership. I don`t remember anything compelling them to answer questions in a relatively dark corner of the internet? I don`t remember anything that says they have to report back on a meeting that may or may not have happened and may or may not have been formal/informal or may have been an introductory chat over a pint with DE & A.N Other investor. The rules may suggest otherwise...
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Post by finlandia on Nov 22, 2017 7:21:05 GMT
OxVox are getting hammered on here. Unfairly in my opinion for lack of transparency and not informing members despite possible legal implications. Can I bring up the RTB which was announced at a press conference by the old OxVow crew with no information beforehand on meetings or the actual decision to go ahead with this communicated to members. A few who are hammering OxVox were involved in the RTB; so to them what’s the difference and why the hypocrisy now? So no comment then? Well there's a surprise!!!
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Post by myles on Nov 22, 2017 8:03:23 GMT
OxVox are getting hammered on here. Unfairly in my opinion for lack of transparency and not informing members despite possible legal implications. Can I bring up the RTB which was announced at a press conference by the old OxVow crew with no information beforehand on meetings or the actual decision to go ahead with this communicated to members. A few who are hammering OxVox were involved in the RTB; so to them what’s the difference and why the hypocrisy now? So no comment then? Well there's a surprise!!! If that’s aimed at me, I wasn’t involved in the RTB process. However, I’d point out that, like a previous example that was used, OxVox were a party to that process and the confidentiality is appropriate in those circumstances. I’m still at a loss to see what discussions a supporters trust could be engaged in with a potential new owner that are so secret that they can’t even disclose whether a meeting has even taken place.
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Post by Mark on Nov 22, 2017 9:38:18 GMT
So no comment then? Well there's a surprise!!! If that’s aimed at me, I wasn’t involved in the RTB process. However, I’d point out that, like a previous example that was used, OxVox were a party to that process and the confidentiality is appropriate in those circumstances. I’m still at a loss to see what discussions a supporters trust could be engaged in with a potential new owner that are so secret that they can’t even disclose whether a meeting has even taken place. How about if it is a criminal offence for unlawful disclosure of information under Article 7 of the European Market Abuse Regulations?
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Post by myles on Nov 22, 2017 9:55:40 GMT
How about if it is a criminal offence for unlawful disclosure of information under Article 7 of the European Market Abuse Regulations? As those relate to insider dealing and marketing manipulation of publicly traded financial instruments, I'm not sure how that would apply here?
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Post by Mark on Nov 22, 2017 10:05:13 GMT
How about if it is a criminal offence for unlawful disclosure of information under Article 7 of the European Market Abuse Regulations? As those relate to insider dealing and marketing manipulation of publicly traded financial instruments, I'm not sure how that would apply here? It could be defined as inside information. Article 8(4) of EU MAR An insider is any person who has inside information: being a member of the administrative, management or supervisory bodies of the issuer or emission allowance market participant; having a holding in the capital of the issuer or emission allowance market participant; having access to the information through the exercise of an employment, profession or duties; being involved in criminal activities; or possesses inside information under circumstances other than those above where that person knows or ought to know that it is inside information.
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Post by Mark on Nov 22, 2017 10:06:36 GMT
Unlawful Disclosure
Unlawful disclosure is where an insider discloses inside information to another person otherwise than in the proper course of the exercise of his employment, profession or duties.
An example would be where an employee finds out that his company is about to become the target of a takeover bid. Before the information is made public, he discloses the information to a friend who then buys shares in the company because he knows a takeover bid may be imminent.
This behaviour creates an unfair market place because the person who sold the shares to the friend might not have done so if they had known of the potential takeover.
An exception is made when there is a legal or statutory obligation to disclose to the Bank of England, Competition Commission, Takeover Panel or another regulatory body.
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Post by myles on Nov 22, 2017 10:09:13 GMT
The Market Abuse Regulation (MAR) applies to:
- financial instruments admitted to trading on a regulated market or for which a request for admission to trading on a regulated market has been made - financial instruments traded on a multilateral trading facility (MTF), admitted to trading on an MTF, or for which a request for admission to trading on an MTF has been made - financial instruments traded on an organised trading facility (OTF) - financial instruments not covered by point (a), (b) or (c), the price or value of which depends on or has an effect on the price or value of a financial instrument referred to in those points, including, but not limited to, credit default swaps and contracts for difference
Which of these apply here?
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 22, 2017 10:10:19 GMT
common decency Common, everyday courtesy, respect, and politeness that is expected and assumed by social convention.
Maybe they are just waiting until people break their own news.
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Post by Junior on Nov 22, 2017 10:16:35 GMT
1st December is the day that I was told last night..
Soon see I guess..
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Post by Mark on Nov 22, 2017 10:22:42 GMT
The Market Abuse Regulation (MAR) applies to: - financial instruments admitted to trading on a regulated market or for which a request for admission to trading on a regulated market has been made - financial instruments traded on a multilateral trading facility (MTF), admitted to trading on an MTF, or for which a request for admission to trading on an MTF has been made - financial instruments traded on an organised trading facility (OTF) - financial instruments not covered by point (a), (b) or (c), the price or value of which depends on or has an effect on the price or value of a financial instrument referred to in those points, including, but not limited to, credit default swaps and contracts for difference Which of these apply here? For instance a takeover by a company with any EU listing ... Take for instance Charoen Pok Food (an example of a Thai company). It trades 25 million shares per day on the Thailand stock exchange, but also has a listing in Germany where it trades 376 shares per day. If you had inside information on this company, that tiny listing in the EU means that information is covered by the European regulations. Perhaps err on the side of caution, rather than go to prison for 7 years?
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