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Post by victor1986 on Nov 12, 2017 16:28:30 GMT
Yup. And I was at Fleetwood. He has one trick (flicks the ball through his legs) and that's it. At Fleetwood, he was beyond useless. "Useless" is a compliment!! Playing him shows Pep in a very poor light - as others have said, he would not get in a National League team & we don't want to see him in next Saturday.
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Post by nottsyellow on Nov 12, 2017 16:41:25 GMT
His record to date for OUFC:- MK Dons away - 20 minutes then injured Fleetwood - Lost 0-2 Port Vales - Lost 0-2 MK Dons - Lost 3-4 Northampton - Lost 1-2 What does that prove Notts.. ??
Absolutely nothing.. could just as easily apply to 10 other players.
Eastwood played in all those games so is he crap too ?
There are "lies, damn lies, and statistics"..shouldn't read too much into them to be honest.
It doesn't scientifically prove anything but just adds a bit of substance to comments on this post. To add another statistic to this aspect. In the 6 games prior to Tiendalli coming in to the team the record was:- Won 3, Drew 3, Lost NIL. (I'm including the Brighton CT game as a draw) The contrast is stark. As regards other players like Eastwood, he has played, probably 70 games and lost only about 20. Tiandalli has played 4 and lost 4.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Nov 12, 2017 18:03:36 GMT
To be honest I think Tiendalli is just conveniently being used a scapegoat by posters jumping on the band wagon looking for a witch hunt..
Not many weeks back it was Ribeiro, then Martin then Eastwood and then Henry
I suspect a couple of poor games and it will be Thomas or Payne.
Fans are very fickle, especially the keyboard fans
In my opinion Tiendalli was no better or no worse than most of them yesterday.
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Post by RCYellowRC on Nov 12, 2017 18:15:12 GMT
To be honest I think Tiendalli is just conveniently being used a scapegoat by posters jumping on the band wagon looking for a witch hunt.. Not many weeks back it was Ribeiro, then Martin then Eastwood and then Henry I suspect a couple of poor games and it will be Thomas or Payne. Fans are very fickle, especially the keyboard fans In my opinion Tiendalli was no better or no worse than most of them yesterday. He was awful as were 3 or 4 others just as bad, but his positioning is what lets him down, it's like he wants to be in our box all the time defending, 1st half yesterday he was tracking back right next to Nelson,whilst there winger was running down a free flank until Ledson eventually made the tackle, whilst he just stood there. When Wes Thomas has to run from striker position and make a tackle for you whilst you jog back in the second half chasing the game, you deserve criticism.
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Post by jambon46 on Nov 12, 2017 19:46:22 GMT
To be honest I think Tiendalli is just conveniently being used a scapegoat by posters jumping on the band wagon looking for a witch hunt.. Not many weeks back it was Ribeiro, then Martin then Eastwood and then Henry I suspect a couple of poor games and it will be Thomas or Payne. Fans are very fickle, especially the keyboard fans In my opinion Tiendalli was no better or no worse than most of them yesterday. The above is so true, he alone was not the sole reason we lost (don't get me wrong he was very poor), last season Taylor was the fans target when we had a poor performance and it will go on like that I guess that's just the way fans vent anger
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Post by berliner on Nov 12, 2017 20:13:39 GMT
To be honest I think Tiendalli is just conveniently being used a scapegoat by posters jumping on the band wagon looking for a witch hunt.. Not many weeks back it was Ribeiro, then Martin then Eastwood and then Henry I suspect a couple of poor games and it will be Thomas or Payne. Fans are very fickle, especially the keyboard fans In my opinion Tiendalli was no better or no worse than most of them yesterday. He was awful as were 3 or 4 others just as bad, but his positioning is what lets him down, it's like he wants to be in our box all the time defending, 1st half yesterday he was tracking back right next to Nelson,whilst there winger was running down a free flank until Ledson eventually made the tackle, whilst he just stood there. When Wes Thomas has to run from striker position and make a tackle for you whilst you jog back in the second half chasing the game, you deserve criticism. As seen in the first clip on the highlights video. What in all the world is he doing jogging around there? Couple of decent passes towards the end, one horrific one that put them on the attack. In all the highlights vids I have seen so far he appears to be miles off the pace and miles off his man.
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Post by malcolmsmoustache on Nov 12, 2017 20:53:24 GMT
No-one is 'scapegoating' the bloke. My objection- and I suspect many others who have seen him 'live'- is that he is professionally incompetent. He has obviously been a decent player. You don't get to play in the Prem, and for your country, if you are useless. But, as others have pointed out, his injury record means he is now utterly unsuited to L1 football. Or indeed, any pro football in England. I don't blame him at all. If I were a 32 year old with a recent history of huge injury problems, I would have taken the contract as well. The blame lies 100% with Clotet. It was an utterly irresponsible signing. We are a small-ish club, and simply cannot afford to offer a contract to a player this bad. The obvious thing to have done would have been to allow him to train, and then- if fit- give him a three month contract. At very best. It actually reflects very badly on Clotet that he a) offered him a contract, and b) thinks he is anywhere near L1 standard. Without a shadow of a doubt, Tiandelli is the worst 'first team' player we have had since the Conference.....
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Post by jambon46 on Nov 12, 2017 21:42:08 GMT
No-one is 'scapegoating' the bloke. My objection- and I suspect many others who have seen him 'live'- is that he is professionally incompetent. He has obviously been a decent player. You don't get to play in the Prem, and for your country, if you are useless. But, as others have pointed out, his injury record means he is now utterly unsuited to L1 football. Or indeed, any pro football in England. I don't blame him at all. If I were a 32 year old with a recent history of huge injury problems, I would have taken the contract as well. The blame lies 100% with Clotet. It was an utterly irresponsible signing. We are a small-ish club, and simply cannot afford to offer a contract to a player this bad. The obvious thing to have done would have been to allow him to train, and then- if fit- give him a three month contract. At very best. It actually reflects very badly on Clotet that he a) offered him a contract, and b) thinks he is anywhere near L1 standard. Without a shadow of a doubt, Tiandelli is the worst 'first team' player we have had since the Conference..... He is being targeted, having seen him 'live' on all his appearances I agree he is not up to scratch, but as you say it's not his fault he has been picked by the boss ahead of others. But he is not the only reason we have a dip in form
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 12, 2017 21:58:30 GMT
The blame lies 100% with Clotet. It was an utterly irresponsible signing. Without a shadow of a doubt, Tiandelli is the worst 'first team' player we have had since the Conference..... True. Alex Jeannin is perched on the SSU with a video cam.
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Post by dabigfella on Nov 18, 2017 18:07:00 GMT
Oops!
What a difference a game makes!!!!
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Post by Long John Silver on Nov 18, 2017 18:20:14 GMT
Get him a contract extension asap!
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Post by eraser on Nov 18, 2017 19:32:33 GMT
Playing as a full back against 10 men shouldn't be challenging as opposition will go narrow. Let's see how he does on Tuesday.
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 18, 2017 19:39:13 GMT
Playing as a full back against 10 men shouldn't be challenging as opposition will go narrow. Let's see how he does on Tuesday. Give him a break . First games he’s played In over 2 years before that he’s played prem and Dutch international so hes hardly going to be a poor player. Hylton and Eastwood received similar treatment from our fans before they had even kicked a ball, and ruffels for a good 3 seasons.
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Post by eighteen93 on Nov 18, 2017 19:46:29 GMT
Playing as a full back against 10 men shouldn't be challenging as opposition will go narrow. Let's see how he does on Tuesday. Don’t worry: it will be all Dwight on the night.
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Post by dabigfella on Nov 18, 2017 21:59:54 GMT
One thing that probably helped him is that he had Henry in front of him and not Hall. Henry does have the ability to defend when necessary (a lot better than Hall). It makes the full back's job a lot easier.
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Post by Marked Ox on Nov 19, 2017 9:10:53 GMT
Fair play to him, hopefully he can keep performing well and stay fit (for his sake).
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Post by malcolmsmoustache on Nov 19, 2017 9:38:36 GMT
He was fine yesterday, and I hope he ends up making me eat my words. But all I will say is that yesterday he was under almost no pressure against a poor team with ten men. I have now seen him play three times. In his third game (Plymouth) he was perfectly ok. In the first two I saw (Fleetwood and Vale), he was unbelievably, stupendously bad!!!
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Post by uptheus on Nov 19, 2017 9:53:46 GMT
He was fine yesterday, and I hope he ends up making me eat my words. But all I will say is that yesterday he was under almost no pressure against a poor team with ten men. I have now seen him play three times. In his third game (Plymouth) he was perfectly ok. In the first two I saw (Fleetwood and Vale), he was unbelievably, stupendously bad!!! Sums up how we've played this season. When it's good it's great, but when it's bad it's really BAD.
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Post by Colin B on Nov 19, 2017 10:45:36 GMT
He was fine yesterday, and I hope he ends up making me eat my words. But all I will say is that yesterday he was under almost no pressure against a poor team with ten men. I have now seen him play three times. In his third game (Plymouth) he was perfectly ok. In the first two I saw (Fleetwood and Vale), he was unbelievably, stupendously bad!!! You've been very critical of him, so fair play for the honest appraisal of him yesterday. Many wouldn't have bothered, and just waited for his next bad performance before commenting. It will be interesting to see whether the player immediately in front of him makes a difference, as I feel Hall playing in front of him left Tiendalli exposed. Against Northampton I saw a team having an awful day, Tiendalli being no better or no worse than anyone else, so difficult to judge. What I did notice was that he was struggling with his fitness (to be expected) and often had no options in front of him, so had to go back or sideways. I'm not sticking up for him, just for the sake of it, and he may turn out to be a waste of a wage, but there must be a reason why he's played for Holland and in the Premier League. Probably best to judge him after a few more games, when his match fitness is hopefully up to scratch.
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Post by barbadosyellow on Nov 19, 2017 11:38:27 GMT
"Probably best to judge him after a few more games, when his match fitness is hopefully up to scratch."
I think this is the key. It's bound to take a while to get fully up to speed after so long out of the game.
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Post by foley on Nov 19, 2017 12:20:05 GMT
He was fine yesterday, and I hope he ends up making me eat my words. But all I will say is that yesterday he was under almost no pressure against a poor team with ten men. I have now seen him play three times. In his third game (Plymouth) he was perfectly ok. In the first two I saw ( Fleetwood and Vale), he was unbelievably, stupendously bad!!!Talk of an overstatement. Really unbelievable, stupendously bad? What like the worst performance you have ever seen? Out of inteerst did you go to Fleetwood last season and if so how would you rate Welsh Hayes' performance? I didn't see him play at Vale. I did see him against MK (short period of time), where I thought that he was very promissing. Against Fleetwood, I thought that we defended pretty well in the second half until we totally switched off. Fleetwood failed to score yesterday for the first time this season and without one stupid blunder we could have done the same. Yesterday according to RO he was one of the best players on the pitch. Against Northampton he was very poor but he was far from alone. I agree with many who believe that with Henry in front of you , you have a far better chance that with Hall in front of you. Clearly Tiendalli is getting fitter and I would expect him to get better.
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Post by malcolmsmoustache on Nov 19, 2017 12:48:15 GMT
Yup. He was appalling. I have been watching OUFC for 40 years+. His performances at Vale and Fleetwood were among the most inept I have seen from an OUFC player in that time. Way below acceptable pro standard. Probably the worst performances from an OUFC player since McGuckin. Does that help you? And no, I wasn't at Fleetwood last season. Not sure how that is remotely relevant, mind you...
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Post by outsidethebox on Nov 19, 2017 12:48:28 GMT
The phrase "unbelievably stupendously bad" is probably reserved for performances in the Mike Salmon and Andy Harris bracket.
Who remembers the latter of those two?
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Post by grenobleroad on Nov 19, 2017 13:05:03 GMT
Yup. He was appalling. I have been watching OUFC for 40 years+. His performances at Vale and Fleetwood were among the most inept I have seen from an OUFC player in that time. Way below acceptable pro standard. Probably the worst performances from an OUFC player since McGuckin. Does that help you? And no, I wasn't at Fleetwood last season. Not sure how that is remotely relevant, mind you... To be fair it is a overreaction, not one player in this squad comes anywhere near worst of all time.
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Post by onlyme on Nov 20, 2017 20:04:59 GMT
Yup. He was appalling. I have been watching OUFC for 40 years+. His performances at Vale and Fleetwood were among the most inept I have seen from an OUFC player in that time. Way below acceptable pro standard. Probably the worst performances from an OUFC player since McGuckin. Does that help you? And no, I wasn't at Fleetwood last season. Not sure how that is remotely relevant, mind you... Has a nurse been called yet?
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