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Post by bluealice on Nov 12, 2017 16:50:26 GMT
Been away for awhile folks [ not jail just a very extended holiday!!!] so looking in from the outside all I can see is a shit team run by a shit manager..... loads of signings who no one has ever heard of coupled with a manager who knows f*ck all about League One!!. The Ash's tour s on the horizon so I shall scoot off to Oz land before the vitriolic starts!!
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Post by makv on Nov 12, 2017 16:58:15 GMT
Been away for awhile folks [ not jail just a very extended holiday!!!] so looking in from the outside all I can see is a shit team run by a shit manager..... loads of signings who no one has ever heard of coupled with a manager who knows f*ck all about League One!!. The Ash's tour s on the horizon so I shall scoot off to Oz land before the vitriolic starts!! Thanks for sharing
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Post by bluealice on Nov 12, 2017 17:01:31 GMT
Been away for awhile folks [ not jail just a very extended holiday!!!] so looking in from the outside all I can see is a shit team run by a shit manager..... loads of signings who no one has ever heard of coupled with a manager who knows f*ck all about League One!!. The Ash's tour s on the horizon so I shall scoot off to Oz land before the vitriolic starts!! Thanks for sharing my pleasure.....but am I wrong??
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 12, 2017 17:06:18 GMT
IMO. Not that it counts for much being so thick. But first job for a new owner should be to appoint a “mark Ashton” type to grab the day to day running of this club by the bollocks, bring in the key people that it’s desperately missing. A full time marketing/ pr person, a full time slo “Sarah gooding” start building the connection between club and fans that was so good in our promotion season, which has been let slip since. 2nd job get back to the blue print of bringing in young future sellable assets. Ok the markets changed and they now cost more, but if u do ur homework right they should 9/10 times be sellable at more than what u paid. It was mark Ashton that put all this in place (including Appleton). And has been Darryl biggest credit and also biggest mistake in letting him go .
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Post by leysboy on Nov 12, 2017 17:44:45 GMT
IMO. Not that it counts for much being so thick. But first job for a new owner should be to appoint a “mark Ashton” type to grab the day to day running of this club by the bollocks, bring in the key people that it’s desperately missing. A full time marketing/ pr person, a full time slo “Sarah gooding” start building the connection between club and fans that was so good in our promotion season, which has been let slip since. 2nd job get back to the blue print of bringing in young future sellable assets. Ok the markets changed and they now cost more, but if u do ur homework right they should 9/10 times be sellable at more than what u paid. It was mark Ashton that put all this in place (including Appleton). And has been Darryl biggest credit and also biggest mistake in letting him go . Must admit I loved the Monday slot on Rad Ox “ ask Ashton”. I found it very formative, and there was a feel of the club and fans connected. We were up to speed on what was going on and the majority of the daily runnings of a football club. To think most on here didn’t want him after his Watford exploits, but for me ever since he left his role, there has been little connection between club and the fans.
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Post by 1OUFC on Nov 12, 2017 18:06:18 GMT
No, put simply, if people had their way we would be beating teams at home like relegation threatened Northampton, progressing in the FA cup against troubled lower league opposition such as Port Vale, and have a manager who seemed capable of learning from his mistakes, as well as changing the one dimensional system that doesn't work. He does neither.
6/7 games and nothing has changed, if you saw us against Fleetwood, Port Vale, Northampton etc.
"If people on this forum had their way we would probably be in the conference," ridiculous thing to say.
So therefore you clearly believe pep can build a successful promotion team, and would wait until the threat of relegation appeared until the manager got changed.
Brownlie is at it again, folks.
Thank you that's much better English but you took my quote out of context. I'm glad we haven't changed managers every season and instead give them a fair crack at building a side. I do not believe we would be in League 1 now if we had sacked Wilder when people were calling for it or Appleton in his first season but clearly you think there are better options than Pep. I haven't seen any in this thread; maybe you could suggest a few managers? Now you are quoting me out of context. I do believe that there are more experienced managers who would be prepared to change things, systems, players etc. Replacements, now that's for slippery's recruitment arm to decide, as he is, sorry was so keen at talking about. Nigel Adkins though I may add in there?
There is a major difference though between chippy, apps and the incumbent. The reason the former two got more time was because of this flexibility they showed, trying different things until a winning formulae was found, clotet does not.
With a change likely in the next couple of weeks, the new Thai owners first job will probably to dispose of clotet, because they themselves have seen this unfold, game for game due to their presence at games, it will be a populist thing to do and they may already have their own candidate lined up, as most new owners do.
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 12, 2017 18:11:20 GMT
Thank you that's much better English but you took my quote out of context. I'm glad we haven't changed managers every season and instead give them a fair crack at building a side. I do not believe we would be in League 1 now if we had sacked Wilder when people were calling for it or Appleton in his first season but clearly you think there are better options than Pep. I haven't seen any in this thread; maybe you could suggest a few managers? Now you are quoting me out of context. I do believe that there are more experienced managers who would be prepared to change things, systems, players etc. Replacements, now that's for slippery's recruitment arm to decide, as he is, sorry was so keen at talking about. Nigel Adkins though I may add in there?
There is a major difference though between chippy, apps and the incumbent. The reason the former two got more time was because of this flexibility they showed, trying different things until a winning formulae was found, clotet does not.
With a change likely in the next couple of weeks, the new Thai owners first job will probably to dispose of clotet, because they themselves have seen this unfold, game for game due to their presence at games, it will be a populist thing to do and they may already have their own candidate lined up, as most new owners do.
I would say mapp was one of the most inflexible managers tactically . In fact said him self we have plan a , if plan a doesn’t work, we revert to plan b, which is to play plan a better (or something along those lines). Often making subs and putting square pegs in round holes rather than changing the system to suit. It worked for him because eventually he had enough time to bring in the players that fitted plan a, rather than changing to suit
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Post by cecantena on Nov 12, 2017 18:52:32 GMT
IMO. Not that it counts for much being so thick. But first job for a new owner should be to appoint a “mark Ashton” type to grab the day to day running of this club by the bollocks, bring in the key people that it’s desperately missing. A full time marketing/ pr person, a full time slo “Sarah gooding” start building the connection between club and fans that was so good in our promotion season, which has been let slip since. 2nd job get back to the blue print of bringing in young future sellable assets. Ok the markets changed and they now cost more, but if u do ur homework right they should 9/10 times be sellable at more than what u paid. It was mark Ashton that put all this in place (including Appleton). And has been Darryl biggest credit and also biggest mistake in letting him go . For someone who basically 'lives' on this forum, are you able to advise me as to what actually prompted Sarah G to leave or didn't she have any option? A sad loss - she did a lot of work during her tenure.
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 12, 2017 19:00:34 GMT
IMO. Not that it counts for much being so thick. But first job for a new owner should be to appoint a “mark Ashton” type to grab the day to day running of this club by the bollocks, bring in the key people that it’s desperately missing. A full time marketing/ pr person, a full time slo “Sarah gooding” start building the connection between club and fans that was so good in our promotion season, which has been let slip since. 2nd job get back to the blue print of bringing in young future sellable assets. Ok the markets changed and they now cost more, but if u do ur homework right they should 9/10 times be sellable at more than what u paid. It was mark Ashton that put all this in place (including Appleton). And has been Darryl biggest credit and also biggest mistake in letting him go . For someone who basically 'lives' on this forum, are you able to advise me as to what actually prompted Sarah G to leave or didn't she have any option? A sad loss - she did a lot of work during her tenure. Lives is a bit harsh 😉 I just pop in regularly to see if I’ve been abused 🤪 As I’ve said before I talk a lot, doesn’t mean I’m itk. 😉. My guess was her role, as with mark Ashton and Kevin Smith above her was deemed not necessary
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Post by 1OUFC on Nov 12, 2017 19:29:13 GMT
Now you are quoting me out of context. I do believe that there are more experienced managers who would be prepared to change things, systems, players etc. Replacements, now that's for slippery's recruitment arm to decide, as he is, sorry was so keen at talking about. Nigel Adkins though I may add in there?
There is a major difference though between chippy, apps and the incumbent. The reason the former two got more time was because of this flexibility they showed, trying different things until a winning formulae was found, clotet does not.
With a change likely in the next couple of weeks, the new Thai owners first job will probably to dispose of clotet, because they themselves have seen this unfold, game for game due to their presence at games, it will be a populist thing to do and they may already have their own candidate lined up, as most new owners do.
I would say mapp was one of the most inflexible managers tactically . In fact said him self we have plan a , if plan a doesn’t work, we revert to plan b, which is to play plan a better (or something along those lines). Often making subs and putting square pegs in round holes rather than changing the system to suit. It worked for him because eventually he had enough time to bring in the players that fitted plan a, rather than changing to suit He began to turn it around though before the January window came along, with the same players who started off so badly. Both he and wilder, you could see had the potential to right things, especially Appleton. There was an upward curve of improvement. I just cannot see anything changing with clotet. He decided which players he wanted, so has to take the praise as well as the criticism.
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 12, 2017 19:39:53 GMT
I would say mapp was one of the most inflexible managers tactically . In fact said him self we have plan a , if plan a doesn’t work, we revert to plan b, which is to play plan a better (or something along those lines). Often making subs and putting square pegs in round holes rather than changing the system to suit. It worked for him because eventually he had enough time to bring in the players that fitted plan a, rather than changing to suit He began to turn it around though before the January window came along, with the same players who started off so badly. Both he and wilder, you could see had the potential to right things, especially Appleton. There was an upward curve of improvement. I just cannot see anything changing with clotet. He decided which players he wanted, so has to take the praise as well as the criticism. Agree, still think the mistakes are making the results look worse than the performances lately. Say it was a big mistake by lego the week before a couple by Nelson , two of our best players not dodgy crocks that have been brought in. And while the performances have dropped a bit recently, if we had cut those mistakes we would have picked up enough points to be sat in the playoff positions. At the min I’m more frustrated than worried. And I also think this next week may give us a clue as to why maybe key players left in the summer being replaced by those that have come in, rather than that of the previous model. He may well have decided which players he wanted, but if this takeover has been going on for a while, was he allowed to go get them. Or did he have to make the best available
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Post by horseman on Nov 12, 2017 20:03:57 GMT
One assumes when interviewed he made it clear what he wanted, if that didn't materialise why risk his reputation further by hanging around? We are led to believe he is respected as a decent coach throughout the game so again one assumes he wouldn't need to suffer at little old Oxford.
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Post by grenobleroad on Nov 12, 2017 20:04:12 GMT
I would say mapp was one of the most inflexible managers tactically . In fact said him self we have plan a , if plan a doesn’t work, we revert to plan b, which is to play plan a better (or something along those lines). Often making subs and putting square pegs in round holes rather than changing the system to suit. It worked for him because eventually he had enough time to bring in the players that fitted plan a, rather than changing to suit He began to turn it around though before the January window came along, with the same players who started off so badly. Both he and wilder, you could see had the potential to right things, especially Appleton. There was an upward curve of improvement. I just cannot see anything changing with clotet. He decided which players he wanted, so has to take the praise as well as the criticism. Not quite true, he did bring in players in January who would have an important impact in the next year/18 months. Skarz, baldock, roofe, MacDonald etc. We were not the improving before Christmas hence why come march we were still involved in a relegation battle. We were very inconsistent, there were just as many threads saying for Appleton to go but the chairman backed him. Let's not rewrite history.
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Post by Barts on Nov 12, 2017 20:59:51 GMT
He began to turn it around though before the January window came along, with the same players who started off so badly. Both he and wilder, you could see had the potential to right things, especially Appleton. There was an upward curve of improvement. I just cannot see anything changing with clotet. He decided which players he wanted, so has to take the praise as well as the criticism. Not quite true, he did bring in players in January who would have an important impact in the next year/18 months. Skarz, baldock, roofe, MacDonald etc. We were not the improving before Christmas hence why come march we were still involved in a relegation battle. We were very inconsistent, there were just as many threads saying for Appleton to go but the chairman backed him. Let's not rewrite history. But also tbf, Appleton inherited a crap league two squad and built a new one. Clotet had a decent league one squad and bought in a load of crocs. Credit where credits due.
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Post by 1OUFC on Nov 12, 2017 21:00:20 GMT
He began to turn it around though before the January window came along, with the same players who started off so badly. Both he and wilder, you could see had the potential to right things, especially Appleton. There was an upward curve of improvement. I just cannot see anything changing with clotet. He decided which players he wanted, so has to take the praise as well as the criticism. Not quite true, he did bring in players in January who would have an important impact in the next year/18 months. Skarz, baldock, roofe, MacDonald etc. We were not the improving before Christmas hence why come march we were still involved in a relegation battle. We were very inconsistent, there were just as many threads saying for Appleton to go but the chairman backed him. Let's not rewrite history. I never said he didn't bring in players in January. During December did things not begin to turn?
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Post by grenobleroad on Nov 12, 2017 21:09:37 GMT
Not quite true, he did bring in players in January who would have an important impact in the next year/18 months. Skarz, baldock, roofe, MacDonald etc. We were not the improving before Christmas hence why come march we were still involved in a relegation battle. We were very inconsistent, there were just as many threads saying for Appleton to go but the chairman backed him. Let's not rewrite history. But also tbf, Appleton inherited a crap league two squad and built a new one. Clotet had a decent league one squad and bought in a load of crocs. Credit where credits due. That's a fair point, i was more leaning towards the similarity of their first set of signings before they had a real grip on the league. Pep most definitely had a better squad from the start, he lost Johnson and lunny but your point still stands.
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Post by grenobleroad on Nov 12, 2017 21:13:41 GMT
Not quite true, he did bring in players in January who would have an important impact in the next year/18 months. Skarz, baldock, roofe, MacDonald etc. We were not the improving before Christmas hence why come march we were still involved in a relegation battle. We were very inconsistent, there were just as many threads saying for Appleton to go but the chairman backed him. Let's not rewrite history. I never said he didn't bring in players in January. During December did things not begin to turn? From what I remember we lost a few, won a few. We were diabolical on boxing day against Shrewsbury then very good at Plymouth a few days later. Then I remember it being pretty crap up until a very good run at the end of the season.
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Post by Barts on Nov 12, 2017 23:00:50 GMT
But also tbf, Appleton inherited a crap league two squad and built a new one. Clotet had a decent league one squad and bought in a load of crocs. Credit where credits due. That's a fair point, i was more leaning towards the similarity of their first set of signings before they had a real grip on the league. Pep most definitely had a better squad from the start, he lost Johnson and lunny but your point still stands. Fair enough, remember Carlton Morris and Alex Jakubiak! Still send shivers down my spine! 🙂
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Post by thesecretposter on Nov 13, 2017 7:18:12 GMT
its the people he has brought in who are unfit and a drain on the wages. How may goals have we conceded in games where Tiendali has played? Surely the manger/scouting department identified the targets and subsequently brought them in so therefore the manger is to blame as much as the substandard players? You could also argue that funds or not enough were made available to strengthen the squad? Either way there is a lot that hasn’t and isn’t going right and there is a combination of factors contributing to this.
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Post by concretebob on Nov 13, 2017 9:36:12 GMT
That's a fair point, i was more leaning towards the similarity of their first set of signings before they had a real grip on the league. Pep most definitely had a better squad from the start, he lost Johnson and lunny but your point still stands. Fair enough, remember Carlton Morris and Alex Jakubiak! Still send shivers down my spine! 🙂 The same Carlton Morris now hitting a few goals for top of the table Shrewsbury? Football works in funny ways.
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Post by Barts on Nov 13, 2017 11:32:06 GMT
Fair enough, remember Carlton Morris and Alex Jakubiak! Still send shivers down my spine! 🙂 The same Carlton Morris now hitting a few goals for top of the table Shrewsbury? Football works in funny ways. Yes, we had him too early!! 🙂
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Post by essexyellows on Nov 13, 2017 18:00:12 GMT
IMO. Not that it counts for much being so thick. But first job for a new owner should be to appoint a “mark Ashton” type to grab the day to day running of this club by the bollocks, bring in the key people that it’s desperately missing. A full time marketing/ pr person, a full time slo “Sarah gooding” start building the connection between club and fans that was so good in our promotion season, which has been let slip since. 2nd job get back to the blue print of bringing in young future sellable assets. Ok the markets changed and they now cost more, but if u do ur homework right they should 9/10 times be sellable at more than what u paid. It was mark Ashton that put all this in place (including Appleton). And has been Darryl biggest credit and also biggest mistake in letting him go . For someone who basically 'lives' on this forum, are you able to advise me as to what actually prompted Sarah G to leave or didn't she have any option? A sad loss - she did a lot of work during her tenure. SG got a better job at West Ham that didn`t seem to work out (8 months) and she is now at Notts County.
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Post by Common Villager on Nov 13, 2017 23:20:12 GMT
Who was the guy before Pep that struggled massively in his first 6 months? Did he turn out okay in the end? Memory fails me.
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Post by Beav on Nov 13, 2017 23:43:04 GMT
Remember the manager before Clotet? Joined late summer... Had to rush transfer deals... He had manager out threads come November too.
I’m not saying we can’t criticise Pep’s managerial capability, but I feel it preemptive at this stage to call for his job.
Desperately need to stop conceding goals so frivolously.
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Post by Beav on Nov 13, 2017 23:43:46 GMT
Who was the guy before Pep that struggled massively in his first 6 months? Did he turn out okay in the end? Memory fails me. f*ck sake I didn’t read yours.
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Post by oxfordboy on Nov 14, 2017 3:28:15 GMT
Appleton brought in 4 players by this point in the season when he came in
Clotet has brought in 12, he also took over a team who were on the up and with so much more quality than the one Appleton took over
I think it's too early to sack him, and I do have a tiny bit of hope left for him, but it's not quite as easy as straight comparing how they did in their first x games
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Post by grenobleroad on Nov 14, 2017 5:40:30 GMT
Appleton brought in 4 players by this point in the season when he came in Clotet has brought in 12, he also took over a team who were on the up and with so much more quality than the one Appleton took over I think it's too early to sack him, and I do have a tiny bit of hope left for him, but it's not quite as easy as straight comparing how they did in their first x games Tyrone Barnett, will Hoskins, Brian Howard, junior Brown, Carlton Morris, joe Riley in September. In November, dunkley, wes burns, Patrick hoban and john Campbell came along. You're right it's not quite as easy to compare but if you look at that list only one of those initial signings had any sort of impact during Appletons reign.
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 14, 2017 7:08:49 GMT
Yeah he did have a better squad to start with. But then again, we’re in a better league. Not to mention say 3 points out side it’s playoffs
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Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 14, 2017 10:21:47 GMT
Calls for Pep's sacking seem to be borne out of a frustratingly inept last few performances, following a mini revival of decent showings. Remember the near ecstasy after Peterborough?
I think we'd be daft to change the manager based on that scenario. It wouldn't quite be a knee-jerk reaction (it's been four pretty crap games, not one), but still overly hasty.
Question is though, what should our reasonable expectations be of Pep this season? As has been mentioned already, Mr Appleton had a poor start but went on to achieve (semi-)cult status.
Given the circumstances Pep's worked under since arriving, I really do think mid-table should be acceptable.
By the time the January window is over, however, and any new signings have 'settled in', we'll still have the last third of the season to go. If at that stage we're looking remotely like being relegated it might be time to parachute in a proven survivalist to keep us in League One.
Looking further ahead, even if we finish mid-table it looks probable we will have new owners by the start of the 2018/19 season, so all bets on Pep's tenure are off. If the new owner(s) don't see Pep as promotion material he'll no doubt be gone. If they give him a chance (EDIT - and funds) no doubt they'll expect a promotion place from day one, or he'll be gone.
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Post by eighteen93 on Nov 14, 2017 11:29:05 GMT
Looking further ahead, even if we finish mid-table it looks probable we will have new owners by the start of the 2017/18 season, so all bets on Pep's tenure are off. If the new owner(s) don't see Pep as promotion material he'll no doubt be gone. If they give him a chance (EDIT - and funds) no doubt they'll expect a promotion place from day one, or he'll be gone. How are our new owners getting on?
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