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Post by yellowsarmy on Nov 11, 2017 22:47:38 GMT
For me now Pep has to go. Not only is it the same uninspiring rubbish each week but he cant even pick the correct players. A manager has to do 4 things make decent signings, pick the right team, set them up i the right formation and motivate them. I'm sorry his signings have been poor he still sees something in Tiendalli who is a shameful excuse for a footballer only bettered (or worsened) by Gino or Ribs. He drops Ruffels one of the few player who seem to care. And plays the same formation seriously away scouts can have the week off before they visit oxford its the same crappy play and formation. And finally the motivation was poor they seemed not to care at times Lego was too casual (especially for the goal), it was amazing how often Eastwood got the ball even at 2-1 down and the midfiled wandered up, my grandma with her shopping trolly moves quicker.
All in all garbage today the manager comes out with his thinking mans "we're leaning" claptrap well they obviously are not same stuff week after week. Sorry Pep you have no record in league management your signings are awful, the players barely seem to want to play for you and you still think Tiendalli is a better bet at right back than Carrol (someone we want to develop for the future) and finally we play the same way week after week. Not good enough and no indication for me things are going to improve.
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Post by jambon46 on Nov 11, 2017 23:14:05 GMT
For me now Pep has to go. Not only is it the same uninspiring rubbish each week but he cant even pick the correct players. A manager has to do 4 things make decent signings, pick the right team, set them up i the right formation and motivate them. I'm sorry his signings have been poor he still sees something in Tiendalli who is a shameful excuse for a footballer only bettered (or worsened) by Gino or Ribs. He drops Ruffels one of the few player who seem to care. And plays the same formation seriously away scouts can have the week off before they visit oxford its the same crappy play and formation. And finally the motivation was poor they seemed not to care at times Lego was too casual (especially for the goal), it was amazing how often Eastwood got the ball even at 2-1 down and the midfiled wandered up, my grandma with her shopping trolly moves quicker. All in all garbage today the manager comes out with his thinking mans "we're leaning" claptrap well they obviously are not same stuff week after week. Sorry Pep you have no record in league management your signings are awful, the players barely seem to want to play for you and you still think Tiendalli is a better bet at right back than Carrol (someone we want to develop for the future) and finally we play the same way week after week. Not good enough and no indication for me things are going to improve. I understand your anger, but really? we are not bottom! Apps got a lot of shit in his first season, but only time will tell
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Post by manorlounger on Nov 11, 2017 23:39:18 GMT
For me now Pep has to go. Not only is it the same uninspiring rubbish each week but he cant even pick the correct players. A manager has to do 4 things make decent signings, pick the right team, set them up i the right formation and motivate them. I'm sorry his signings have been poor he still sees something in Tiendalli who is a shameful excuse for a footballer only bettered (or worsened) by Gino or Ribs. He drops Ruffels one of the few player who seem to care. And plays the same formation seriously away scouts can have the week off before they visit oxford its the same crappy play and formation. And finally the motivation was poor they seemed not to care at times Lego was too casual (especially for the goal), it was amazing how often Eastwood got the ball even at 2-1 down and the midfiled wandered up, my grandma with her shopping trolly moves quicker. All in all garbage today the manager comes out with his thinking mans "we're leaning" claptrap well they obviously are not same stuff week after week. Sorry Pep you have no record in league management your signings are awful, the players barely seem to want to play for you and you still think Tiendalli is a better bet at right back than Carrol (someone we want to develop for the future) and finally we play the same way week after week. Not good enough and no indication for me things are going to improve. I understand your anger, but really? we are not bottom! Apps got a lot of shit in his first season, but only time will tell At least Apps got angry when things went wrong. Clotet has no passion, no appearance of wishing to get things right, no emotion. He maybe a very nice chap but, that ain't what this club needs.
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Post by jambon46 on Nov 11, 2017 23:54:40 GMT
I understand your anger, but really? we are not bottom! Apps got a lot of shit in his first season, but only time will tell At least Apps got angry when things went wrong. Clotet has no passion, no appearance of wishing to get things right, no emotion. He maybe a very nice chap but, that ain't what this club needs. That's not what I'm saying, the previous poster suggested pep should go, do you agree?
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Post by manorlounger on Nov 12, 2017 0:12:00 GMT
At least Apps got angry when things went wrong. Clotet has no passion, no appearance of wishing to get things right, no emotion. He maybe a very nice chap but, that ain't what this club needs. That's not what I'm saying, the previous poster suggested pep should go, do you agree? I think he should get things right. If that means he should go, then yes.
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Post by jambon46 on Nov 12, 2017 0:21:41 GMT
That's not what I'm saying, the previous poster suggested pep should go, do you agree? I think he should get things right. If that means he should go, then yes. Ok, I just think we need to give him time like we did with Apps, after that then of course if he is not working out he should go, but we are 10th at the moment so no panic
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Post by oxfordmitch on Nov 12, 2017 3:56:44 GMT
No panic button for me but the style of play is poor. There is a lack of urgency and the squad is unbalanced and not particularly strong beyond 13/14 players.
Even with the good players, it is proving difficult to get them into a good side.
However, too much twitter and nice comments from Pep at the moment. If we are awful, I want the manager to tell me exactly that so I have faith it won’t be repeated too often!
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Post by londonroader on Nov 12, 2017 6:41:59 GMT
I understand your anger, but really? we are not bottom! Apps got a lot of shit in his first season, but only time will tell At least Apps got angry when things went wrong. Clotet has no passion, no appearance of wishing to get things right, no emotion. He maybe a very nice chap but, that ain't what this club needs. His public face is different to the one the players see, they certainly see the passion.
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Post by saddletramp on Nov 12, 2017 7:48:42 GMT
Hall is, to put it politely, a defensive liability and with a small left back, playing him there is an invitation to the opposition. Well that confused me. Hall played right wing,so how does having small Left back give an invitation to the opposition ? Substitution baffled me,yes something had to be done,but take off Payne ??
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Post by shaunrice on Nov 12, 2017 8:46:16 GMT
Hes not helped with the lack of balance in our squad. Cheap, foreign injured players and our best players sold. We have not replace Lunny and Johnson with anyone remotely approaching their ability We have been going backwards really ever since Danny left. Include the players you mentioned and add to that players like Callum, Roofe, Maguire and even McAleny. Thats plenty of goals gone from the team. Replaced with the rubbish we find ourselves watching now. That’s on the attacking side Skarz was a better defender than Ricardinho and I think I’d rather see Carroll at right back than Tiendalli. Add Dunks defending and a few goals too. Behind the scenes things seem to be getting worse too. Where’s all the stadium talk gone, where’s all the fan interaction and local business involvement? Is it me or is even Rosie’s half time enthusiasm and bit fake and flat?
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Post by harrycarry on Nov 12, 2017 8:57:07 GMT
Need to get the ownership deal through. Not saying I support it but iwe fans have zero control over it and looks like it's going to happen.
Then we pray we stay up.
No need to worry about asset stripping as we don't have any assets. FA to lose.
My dream is a new stadium - maybe Tiger and Fizgog have a plan?
THEN progress to Championship and maybe even a spell in the Premier.
As I said, my dream.
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Post by manorlounger on Nov 12, 2017 9:29:10 GMT
At least Apps got angry when things went wrong. Clotet has no passion, no appearance of wishing to get things right, no emotion. He maybe a very nice chap but, that ain't what this club needs. His public face is different to the one the players see, they certainly see the passion. Not according to Wes Thomas in his post match interview.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Nov 12, 2017 10:06:30 GMT
His public face is different to the one the players see, they certainly see the passion. Not according to Wes Thomas in his post match interview. I have to say, everything about that Wes Thomas interview was pretty disastrous. But he certainly did put paid to this notion that Pep is some sort of drill sergeant behind closed doors.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Nov 12, 2017 10:08:27 GMT
Clotet has got us into this mess (and yes, it IS a mess despite the league position, which I haven't been brave enough to look at yet this morning!). He brought in a load of old/injured/retired/substandard players plus a much (much!) smaller amount of decent ones, didn't do much of anything to replace those who left in terms of quality. His tactics and style of play look absolutely spot on against a team who just leave us alone to get on with it, but are an absolute disaster against anyone who closes us down at anything faster than walking pace. Mostly because that's the speed we play at most of the time.
For all his protestations that the team are 'learning', they patently are not. The same mistakes over and over again. And while they might be 'individual mistakes', it's playing the system we do that makes them so dangerous. Farting about with the ball and trying to do little flicks in midfield and at the back mean that one mistake and you are under pressure immediately. Add that to the lack of quality in defense and it's a recipe for disaster.
He won't be sacked with the current regime in place as Eales won't want to pay out compensation before he leaves. That means the new owner will either have to fork out or stick with him, but are there enough quality (uninjured and non sicknote) players in the squad for a new manager to turn this rag bag untogether squad into something that looks like a team rather than a collection of individuals? It would be a difficult job.
I have the horrible feeling that it's going to be a long and hard winter.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 12, 2017 10:11:33 GMT
Hmm, Thomas sounded like a man who most definitely did not want to be being interviewed at that moment in his life. Was I alone in determining that Pep is going to sit the lads down with a nice malted drink and talk it all through in a mutually supportive kind of way?
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Post by foweyox on Nov 12, 2017 10:25:02 GMT
So after 3 or 4 games (!!) we had the best goal difference and looked really good at the back. We were scoring for fun and playing awesomely quick football, creating loads of chances and just had too much for most teams - a joy to watch and the Championship beckoned. After 17 games we cant string a pass together, look like we need to score 4 to win, get hammered by a team a league below and the last few combos Pep has tried just havent gelled at all. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out that we need to see what ingredients have been added to the ship that now leaks 3 goals a game? Pep surrounded himself with his own guys, probably cheaply and to appease fans in the absence of any DE cash - so many are injured that we must have more treatment benches than Barcelona. We cross our fingers at 2.59 that it isnt going to be another nightmare performance and every week it gets worse. You cant afford to dawdle and drop points - we only missed out by a handful last year - Imagine if Huddersfield recall Payne in January! - the fact that all Peps signings are so unfit/injury prone means that whilst on paper we have a big squad we are super light and having to play people badly out of position. What makes me question Pep is saying that team choice depends on how hard people train that week (is there an endemic problem with footballers being lazy and not working hard?) which makes no sense - you find a team which wins and stick with it - when they stop winning others get their chance - he seems to make changes for the sake of it. Our best results this year have been Pompey and Posh and Ruffs played and scored in both - none of the crocs featured. Its simple Pep - we dont want to watch this uninspiring crap - get them playing as we did in the early games and dominating matches or you will soon see 5k gates and a prospective new owner walk away. If you cant do it then lets move now. Maybe we are just waiting for Leicester to bring someone in as new AM and then bring MaPP back - I would take him in an instant and I am sure we would be a no brainer choice assuming nothing serious that we dont know about.
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Post by charliesghost on Nov 12, 2017 10:52:57 GMT
So after 3 or 4 games (!!) we had the best goal difference and looked really good at the back. We were scoring for fun and playing awesomely quick football, creating loads of chances and just had too much for most teams - a joy to watch and the Championship beckoned. After 17 games we cant string a pass together, look like we need to score 4 to win, get hammered by a team a league below and the last few combos Pep has tried just havent gelled at all. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out that we need to see what ingredients have been added to the ship that now leaks 3 goals a game? Pep surrounded himself with his own guys, probably cheaply and to appease fans in the absence of any DE cash - so many are injured that we must have more treatment benches than Barcelona. We cross our fingers at 2.59 that it isnt going to be another nightmare performance and every week it gets worse. You cant afford to dawdle and drop points - we only missed out by a handful last year - Imagine if Huddersfield recall Payne in January! - the fact that all Peps signings are so unfit/injury prone means that whilst on paper we have a big squad we are super light and having to play people badly out of position. What makes me question Pep is saying that team choice depends on how hard people train that week (is there an endemic problem with footballers being lazy and not working hard?) which makes no sense - you find a team which wins and stick with it - when they stop winning others get their chance - he seems to make changes for the sake of it. Our best results this year have been Pompey and Posh and Ruffs played and scored in both - none of the crocs featured. Its simple Pep - we dont want to watch this uninspiring crap - get them playing as we did in the early games and dominating matches or you will soon see 5k gates and a prospective new owner walk away. If you cant do it then lets move now. Maybe we are just waiting for Leicester to bring someone in as new AM and then bring MaPP back - I would take him in an instant and I am sure we would be a no brainer choice assuming nothing serious that we dont know about. Don't think that we would be a no brainer choice for MApp. In taking us from upper mid-table League 2 to upper mid-table League 1 with Cup runs, huge player sales etc, he is set up for a very ambitious lower league job whenever he wants. Just as Ashton showed him a plan, and DE showed him the funding to achieve that plan. He achieved an 8 out of 10 at OUFC so he will be looking for the next job that can extend his CV. The last thing he can afford is to subside into another job where plan and funding are absent.
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Post by 1OUFC on Nov 12, 2017 10:58:37 GMT
Pep has got us playing some fantastic football and also some bizarre football. He was on the back foot in the summer with how late Appleton finally went. I hope we stick with him and back him fully in the summer. So if we drop like a stone next week end, with a loss, so many teams around 22/23 pointsand the normal dross on the pitch, we move on? 😭😭😭😭😭
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Post by charliesghost on Nov 12, 2017 11:18:37 GMT
Pep has got us playing some fantastic football and also some bizarre football. He was on the back foot in the summer with how late Appleton finally went. I hope we stick with him and back him fully in the summer. So if we drop like a stone next week end, with a loss, so many teams around 22/23 pointsand the normal dross on the pitch, we move on? 😭😭😭😭😭 Compared to most new managers (who generally arrive mid-season to take over a failing squad with no immediate chance to strengthen or drill new systems) Pep arrived very much on the front foot. He had a month of pre-season, was allowed to bring in 14 new players and inherited a successful, youthful bunch of players and a quality coaching and recruitment set-up. As he was gracious enough to recognise at the time, not many managers arrive in such propitious circumstances. These things are all subjective, but my personal feeling was that a 10th place finish and a Cup run would be about par for the course. So given we are in 10th now it would be very harsh to fire him. But a detailed look at the table and our results profile gives pause for thought. 1) two teams just behind us have a game in hand 2) two teams in between us and the play-offs have two games in hand. So I reckon our actual position is more like 12th place, 6 points off the final play-off spot and 6 points off relegation trouble. Then: 1) since those two early wins against clubs who hadn't got their houses in order, we have 17 points and two Cup disasters from 17 games. That is not far off relegation form. 2) it looks like being a competitive league this year. Rochdale are perfectly decent and they are in 20th place. Wimbledon and Gillingham are the only two hopeless sides we have seen. I reckon that you may need 52 points to stay up and only 70 odd to be in play-off contention. So Mr Pep needs to be under active surveillance (to use a phrase I have learned to understand recently). Given our current situation as a club - large wage bill, huge debts, dreadful stadium situation - relegation would be a disaster.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 12, 2017 13:32:54 GMT
Hall is, to put it politely, a defensive liability and with a small left back, playing him there is an invitation to the opposition. Well that confused me. Hall played right wing,so how does having small Left back give an invitation to the opposition ? Substitution baffled me,yes something had to be done,but take off Payne ?? Have a think. A small winger who doesn't want to defend playing on the same side as small full back who may not have a ton of pace. Ripe for exploiting by the oppo. I'm surprised more fans haven't understood why the change was made. It was striking in the one game we did it at home.
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Post by robie on Nov 12, 2017 13:43:59 GMT
Pep has got us playing some fantastic football and also some bizarre football. He was on the back foot in the summer with how late Appleton finally went. I hope we stick with him and back him fully in the summer. So if we drop like a stone next week end, with a loss, so many teams around 22/23 pointsand the normal dross on the pitch, we move on? 😭😭😭😭😭 Charlie seems to have understood this but I don't have a clue what you are trying to say. I would only entertain the idea of changing the manager if there is a threat of relegation and there is the opportunity to recruit an alternative manager with a better chance of avoiding relegation than Pep. If people on this forum had their way we would probably be in the conference, changing managers every season, with no stability to build the successful promotion teams we have had in the past few years.
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Post by greatunclekip on Nov 12, 2017 13:54:51 GMT
Simon Lenagan has just tweeted that its a big week for Oufc.
Hoping for the best. Dont throw away all your good work now Darryl.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 12, 2017 14:06:53 GMT
Darryl will measure the quality of his work solely by the quantity of the return.
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Post by Yellow River on Nov 12, 2017 14:07:00 GMT
Simon Lenagan has just tweeted that its a big week for Oufc. Hoping for the best. Dont throw away all your good work now Darryl. Interesting tweet. I fear a lot of the good work has already left the building. However like yourself hoping for the best result for OUFC.
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Post by 1OUFC on Nov 12, 2017 15:20:27 GMT
So if we drop like a stone next week end, with a loss, so many teams around 22/23 pointsand the normal dross on the pitch, we move on? 😭😭😭😭😭 Charlie seems to have understood this but I don't have a clue what you are trying to say. I would only entertain the idea of changing the manager if there is a threat of relegation and there is the opportunity to recruit an alternative manager with a better chance of avoiding relegation than Pep. If people on this forum had their way we would probably be in the conference, changing managers every season, with no stability to build the successful promotion teams we have had in the past few years. No, put simply, if people had their way we would be beating teams at home like relegation threatened Northampton, progressing in the FA cup against troubled lower league opposition such as Port Vale, and have a manager who seemed capable of learning from his mistakes, as well as changing the one dimensional system that doesn't work. He does neither.
6/7 games and nothing has changed, if you saw us against Fleetwood, Port Vale, Northampton etc.
"If people on this forum had their way we would probably be in the conference," ridiculous thing to say.
So therefore you clearly believe pep can build a successful promotion team, and would wait until the threat of relegation appeared until the manager got changed.
Brownlie is at it again, folks.
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Post by 1OUFC on Nov 12, 2017 15:22:30 GMT
Simon Lenagan has just tweeted that its a big week for Oufc. Hoping for the best. Dont throw away all your good work now Darryl. Unless there's a quick buck to be made, no fear of that.
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Post by Junior on Nov 12, 2017 15:22:53 GMT
No panic button for me but the style of play is poor. There is a lack of urgency and the squad is unbalanced and not particularly strong beyond 13/14 players. Even with the good players, it is proving difficult to get them into a good side. However, too much twitter and nice comments from Pep at the moment. If we are awful, I want the manager to tell me exactly that so I have faith it won’t be repeated too often! The joys of having a company manage your Social media! Roberto Trevino and company are the ones 6pointer.net/
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Post by oxfordmitch on Nov 12, 2017 15:25:22 GMT
Simon Lenagan has just tweeted that its a big week for Oufc. Hoping for the best. Dont throw away all your good work now Darryl. Interesting tweet. I fear a lot of the good work has already left the building. However like yourself hoping for the best result for OUFC. Someone of that standing doesn’t tweet something like that without imminent happenings. I can assume he is not talking about the Plymouth game.
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Post by robie on Nov 12, 2017 15:27:34 GMT
No, put simply, if people had their way we would be beating teams at home like relegation threatened Northampton, progressing in the FA cup against troubled lower league opposition such as Port Vale, and have a manager who seemed capable of learning from his mistakes, as well as changing the one dimensional system that doesn't work. He does neither.
6/7 games and nothing has changed, if you saw us against Fleetwood, Port Vale, Northampton etc.
"If people on this forum had their way we would probably be in the conference," ridiculous thing to say.
So therefore you clearly believe pep can build a successful promotion team, and would wait until the threat of relegation appeared until the manager got changed.
Brownlie is at it again, folks.
Thank you that's much better English but you took my quote out of context. I'm glad we haven't changed managers every season and instead give them a fair crack at building a side. I do not believe we would be in League 1 now if we had sacked Wilder when people were calling for it or Appleton in his first season but clearly you think there are better options than Pep. I haven't seen any in this thread; maybe you could suggest a few managers?
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 12, 2017 15:33:45 GMT
No, put simply, if people had their way we would be beating teams at home like relegation threatened Northampton, progressing in the FA cup against troubled lower league opposition such as Port Vale, and have a manager who seemed capable of learning from his mistakes, as well as changing the one dimensional system that doesn't work. He does neither.
6/7 games and nothing has changed, if you saw us against Fleetwood, Port Vale, Northampton etc.
"If people on this forum had their way we would probably be in the conference," ridiculous thing to say.
So therefore you clearly believe pep can build a successful promotion team, and would wait until the threat of relegation appeared until the manager got changed.
Brownlie is at it again, folks.
Thank you that's much better English but you took my quote out of context. I'm glad we haven't changed managers every season and instead give them a fair crack at building a side. I do not believe we would be in League 1 now if we had sacked Wilder when people were calling for it or Appleton in his first season but clearly you think there are better options than Pep. I haven't seen any in this thread; maybe you could suggest a few managers? Exactly this. We’ve been through as bad if not worse spells under both wilder and Appleton where it looked like there was no light at the end of the tunnel, and they were not learning from their mistakes. Both did and we moved forward. That’s not to say pep will be a success, but currently sitting 10th having played some very good football as well as bad is probably a little to early for thinking about sacking the guy
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