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Post by foley on Nov 7, 2017 10:16:36 GMT
Do England have much chance?
Both batting line ups have issues but I would suggest that the Australian bowling is far more dangerous. Starc seems to be coming back to fitness (2 hat tricks in one game in the Sheffield Shield).
With Stokes we had an outside chance. South Africa did very well in Australia last year but I reckon that Cook, Root, Anderson and Broad will have to have very good series' for England to have a chance...
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Post by oldham on Nov 7, 2017 10:47:17 GMT
Do England have much chance? Both batting line ups have issues but I would suggest that the Australian bowling is far more dangerous. Starc seems to be coming back to fitness (2 hat tricks in one game in the Sheffield Shield). With Stokes we had an outside chance. South Africa did very well in Australia last year but I reckon that Cook, Root, Anderson and Broad will have to have very good series' for England to have a chance... In a word....no! I’ve just got back from Perth and the general feeling is that we are going to get a drubbing. That’s from the ex pats as well as the Convicts.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 7, 2017 10:57:48 GMT
Just been scouring the press looking for any crumbs of comfort. Apart from Joe Root noting 'we're not the same side as last time' there don't seem to be many positive vibes, especially with Steven Finn out and Stokes absent!
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Post by SteMerritt on Nov 7, 2017 11:00:12 GMT
I think we have no chance, just too fragile at the top of the order. Bowlers will hold their own, but you won't win many games when you start at 20-3 all the time.
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Post by pooshooter on Nov 7, 2017 11:13:34 GMT
I think we'll win 4-1
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Post by oldham on Nov 7, 2017 11:14:21 GMT
Bit early to be on the sauce ain’t it? 😜
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Post by SteMerritt on Nov 7, 2017 12:08:21 GMT
I think after the first over we will be 4-1...
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Post by pooshooter on Nov 7, 2017 12:27:51 GMT
Bit early to be on the sauce ain’t it? 😜 Sorry this meant to be on the MK dons thread...
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Post by unification on Nov 7, 2017 12:27:56 GMT
I’m struggling to see why the press are being so negative. Sure, we’re not the 2010-11 vintage and don’t have Stokes to call upon, but are England truly that awful? We’re a much better side than anything that toured in the 1990s and early ‘00s.
Plus, is there much to get worked up about with Australia? Outside of Warner and Smith, who do they have that can you can truly be scared about? No Johnson anymore and a lot of injuries, plus a series of players who England have worked over and worked out in the past like Peter Nevill, Ashton Agar and Josh Hazelwood. Their output about this series is supposed to be threatening (‘#beatengland’ and Warner’s ‘hate’ and ‘war’ comments) but comes across as desperate. Let your cricket do the talking.
I agree that defeat is likely as its in their own backyard but I think we’ll see a see-sawing Test series like in 2015. There’s good players on show but not great ones rolling out and question marks all over the place. Perhaps 3-1 Australia would be my prediction with games over by the fourth day.
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Post by pooshooter on Nov 7, 2017 12:29:01 GMT
I think after the first over we will be 4-1... Sorry I wasn't concentrating on the right thread. This was my MK dons prediction. We'll lose the ashes but not 5-0
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 7, 2017 13:22:54 GMT
While England have problems, they don't compare to Oz. They were largely miserable in India and Bangladesh and their fast bowlers are particularly fragile - they won't last a series without getting injured. It won't be easy for England, but for one, we have a coach in Bayliss who seems at one with the squad unlike the idiot Flower. Anyone that thinks we'll get a gubbing is wide of the mark. This series will be close and the volume of crap emanating from Oz says they are worried.
Even Warner is a player I don't really fear now. He's good, but not the same threat he was.
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Post by foley on Nov 7, 2017 13:24:05 GMT
I’m struggling to see why the press are being so negative. Sure, we’re not the 2010-11 vintage and don’t have Stokes to call upon, but are England truly that awful? We’re a much better side than anything that toured in the 1990s and early ‘00s. Plus, is there much to get worked up about with Australia? Outside of Warner and Smith, who do they have that can you can truly be scared about? No Johnson anymore and a lot of injuries, plus a series of players who England have worked over and worked out in the past like Peter Nevill, Ashton Agar and Josh Hazelwood. Their output about this series is supposed to be threatening (‘#beatengland’ and Warner’s ‘hate’ and ‘war’ comments) but comes across as desperate. Let your cricket do the talking. I agree that defeat is likely as its in their own backyard but I think we’ll see a see-sawing Test series like in 2015. There’s good players on show but not great ones rolling out and question marks all over the place. Perhaps 3-1 Australia would be my prediction with games over by the fourth day. Starc is very quick and has a great inswinging yorker- if fit he could be their Johnson. Hazelwood and Cummings are decent back up and Nathan Lyon is always under estimated. Their bowling is more threatening than ours in Aussi conditions- assuming they don't get injuries.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 7, 2017 13:53:05 GMT
Tom Curran is the replacement for Finn on the tour.
I respect their fast bowlers, but it's like seeing an England from the 90s. Always injured, always carrying a knock and you cannot trust them all to play in the same for more than a game or two at the time
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Post by MJB on Nov 7, 2017 14:11:45 GMT
3-1 to Australia would be guess.
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Post by cj on Nov 7, 2017 14:16:56 GMT
Why not give Jamie Porter a chance?
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Post by Junior on Nov 7, 2017 14:55:24 GMT
With the greatest respect, he will be hammered by the Aussies as he wont be opening like he does at CC level so will come on after 15/20 overs so any movement will be long gone.. Then his high 70's early 80's will be battered by the Aussies who will marry ally target him.
If we are doing unproven raw potential, if rather go Archer at Sussex. Quick bowler who has a aggression about him..
Failing all that, get wood in until he gets broken then we panic and send for Ball!
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Post by Junior on Nov 7, 2017 14:58:26 GMT
We will go well..
Stoneman has played in Aus before and i predict he will go close to being the top scoring Englishman behind root. His game will suit the pace and bounce of Australia pitches.
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Post by makv on Nov 7, 2017 15:32:51 GMT
Do England have much chance? Both batting line ups have issues but I would suggest that the Australian bowling is far more dangerous. Starc seems to be coming back to fitness (2 hat tricks in one game in the Sheffield Shield). With Stokes we had an outside chance. South Africa did very well in Australia last year but I reckon that Cook, Root, Anderson and Broad will have to have very good series' for England to have a chance... I think that Bairstow’s form is going to be key in the absence of Stokes. He’s perfectly capable of turning a game.
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Post by berliner on Nov 7, 2017 16:48:45 GMT
Why not give Jamie Porter a chance? Injured, stress fracture in his back...
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Post by Junior on Nov 7, 2017 17:24:35 GMT
Disappointed they are not giving Foakes a game.. He could easily keep and will also strengthen the batting..
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Post by tonyw on Nov 7, 2017 19:14:04 GMT
I’m struggling to see why the press are being so negative. Sure, we’re not the 2010-11 vintage and don’t have Stokes to call upon, but are England truly that awful? We’re a much better side than anything that toured in the 1990s and early ‘00s. Sorry, but I think the teams that toured in 98/99 and 02/03 were much better squads than the one we're sending now - especially in the batting department. Both had Stewart, Hussain & Butcher. The former had Thorpe & Atherton, the latter Vaughn & Trescothick. On the bowling side, they lacked the aging-but-still-capable Anderson & Broad, but they did have the likes of Cork, Gough, Caddick, Fraser & Hoggard, all of whom could play a bit. Course the difference was that those two squads were playing against one of the greatest cricket teams, let alone Aussie teams, ever assembled. Whereas the current bunch of Aussies are pretty mediocre. Still, its a tough place to tour and at least a couple of the likes of Stoneman, Vince, Malan & Ballance have got to stand up and make a name for themselves this winter. And at least one, if not both of Cook & Root have to be at their best. If they do/are, it should be competitive. If not, we're going to get drubbed. Personally, I'm not that confident.
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Post by cj on Nov 8, 2017 11:48:02 GMT
Why not give Jamie Porter a chance? Injured, stress fracture in his back... Thanks for letting me know.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 8, 2017 13:18:13 GMT
Another so so day for England in the warm up games. Lots of starts, but no hundreds under the lights.
Positives are Stoneman has another 50 and Malan looks to be thankfully batting Ballance into a bib. Vince played like Vince - no real surprise there.
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Post by oldham on Nov 10, 2017 22:15:28 GMT
Coulter-Nile out of the series for the Aussies, knackered his back. Typical we lose our best player and they lose their worst bowler 😡
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 10, 2017 22:18:17 GMT
A fragile Aussie bowler out of the series already? Who'd have thunk it?
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Post by saddletramp on Nov 11, 2017 11:34:09 GMT
3-1 to Australia would be guess. No chance,that would mean one of the games being a draw. When was the last time England drew a game (except when the weather has intervened)? Aussies have 3 players Starc,Warner and Smith,the rest are cannon fodder. Keep the faith.
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Post by holdsteady on Nov 11, 2017 12:38:28 GMT
The first test is massive, if we win we will go on to take the series, loss and we will get hammered. Need one of our non scoring batsmen to stand up and get some scores with Stokes out, time for a couple more of the top order to chip in rather than relying on the middle order to do their job for them.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 16, 2017 8:25:17 GMT
A much better day today for England. Stoneman got a ton, Cook a fifty and only Vince didn't get a fifty. Cook's innings should quieten down some of the press for a day or two.
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Post by pooshooter on Nov 16, 2017 9:12:12 GMT
This is a pub side though?
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Post by unification on Nov 16, 2017 10:51:38 GMT
The first test is massive, if we win we will go on to take the series, loss and we will get hammered. Need one of our non scoring batsmen to stand up and get some scores with Stokes out, time for a couple more of the top order to chip in rather than relying on the middle order to do their job for them. You’re hoping for a first Aussie defeat at the Gabba since 1988 then! In the 55 Tests they’ve had there, they’ve only lost eight times. Even in 2010-11, England forced a draw there after Cook, Trott and Strauss piled on the runs in the second innings. Little wonder it's nicknamed the Gabbatoir! I still maintain the series will be a close one. As Moeen said the Aussies ‘talk a lot’, but I’m convinced they’re as confident as they’re making out.
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