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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 25, 2017 20:38:58 GMT
U must have evidence that he doesn’t then, with all ur research? Ah, so when I make a claim, you demand evidence from me to support it. When I challenge you on your claims, it’s also down to me to produce the evidence? Righty-ho. Right so No evidence the dodgy people will be involved No evidence he doesn’t have the funds to invest on his own No evidence it is a take over rather than investment. Ur right I’m really worried about ur information now, shit look where it got us last time - a promotion, 2 Wembley appearances. Record season ticket sales, highest league position in nearly 2 decades. Tell me his net worth, then I can’t argue against that point, and straight away I’m more inclined to believe u that he will have backers ! Then we can start worrying who they may be. The trouble is myles I don’t start posts claiming anything, and needing evidence to back it up 😉. Just trying to show how way wide of the mark u could be, and have been.
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Post by myles on Oct 25, 2017 20:49:04 GMT
No evidence the dodgy people will be involved No evidence he doesn’t have the funds to invest on his own No evidence it is a take over rather than investment. Or: - Track record of involvement with “dodgy people” - Track record of extracting assets and cash from a football club - No evidence of his own huge wealth - Company accounts information which indicates he doesn’t have that wealth - No explanation for his sudden regular appearance in the directors box At the end of the day, Dave, I couldn’t give a flying f*ck if you want to be concerned or not. My only concern is the future of our football club, regardless of personalities. Similarly, I couldn’t give a flying f*ck who takes over our club provided they have the plan and the resources to take the club forward. If you have the evidence (the word you like to keep throwing at me) to counter the information I have turned up, yet again, I’m all ears.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 25, 2017 20:55:08 GMT
No evidence the dodgy people will be involved No evidence he doesn’t have the funds to invest on his own No evidence it is a take over rather than investment. Or: - Track record of involvement with “dodgy people” - Track record of extracting assets and cash from a football club - No evidence of his own huge wealth - Company accounts information which indicates he doesn’t have that wealth - No explanation for his sudden regular appearance in the directors box At the end of the day, Dave, I couldn’t give a flying f*ck if you want to be concerned or not. My only concern is the future of our football club, regardless of personalities. Similarly, I couldn’t give a flying f*ck who takes over our club provided they have the plan and the resources to take the club forward. If you have the evidence (the word you like to keep throwing at me) to counter the information I have turned up, yet again, I’m all ears. So u now don’t care who runs the club so long as they do have the money and a plan? I don’t doubt for a min that u want the best for the club myles, we all do, thats why we’re on here, in the stands supporting it, in good times and bad. I also want the best future for the football club, which is why I’m not going to write off a potential owner that could give us that, based on speculation. As Darryl and mark have shown, never judge a book by its cover.
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Post by myles on Oct 25, 2017 21:01:59 GMT
I don’t doubt for a min that u want the best for the club myles, we all do, thats why we’re on here, in the stands supporting it, in good times and bad. I also want the best future for the football club, which is why I’m not going to write off a potential owner that could give us that, based on speculation. As Darryl and mark have shown, never judge a book by its cover. Big difference here is that Tiger’s book has significantly more pages in it than Darryl’s ever did before taking over the club. And I’ve bothered to read them....
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 25, 2017 21:19:00 GMT
I don’t doubt for a min that u want the best for the club myles, we all do, thats why we’re on here, in the stands supporting it, in good times and bad. I also want the best future for the football club, which is why I’m not going to write off a potential owner that could give us that, based on speculation. As Darryl and mark have shown, never judge a book by its cover. Big difference here is that Tiger’s book has significantly more pages in it than Darryl’s ever did before taking over the club. And I’ve bothered to read them.... Doesn’t mean you can’t be wrong about them both turning out to be best sellers though. And that most of tigers book isn’t even about him . Who knows in a couple of weeks I might be totally agreeing with u. But even u have just said so long as the money and a plan is there, it could be ok. So I’ll wait until I find out who’s involved , and what the plan is first. If Darryl retains a stake that already reduces my worry factor in a big way
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Post by Barts on Oct 25, 2017 21:32:35 GMT
If you looked at what happened at Reading you may see that this guy has little intention of "investing money in the club". That isn't conspiracy - it's history. U will also see he made a decent amount of money from selling reading and development land he got from around it, so not unreasonable to think he might be a fair bit wealthier now. Also there can be no intention to asset strip as we have none. I would guess it costs far less to get oxford to the level reading reached, than holding reading at that level/pushing them forward. It also doesn’t have to be a big amount. He could say be offering to put 2/3m in for 10% for all we know 2/3 million for a 10% share a small amount?? I don't think DE would need to negotiate anything for that offer, in fact he'd probably buy him a new number plate for his dodgy car!! I appreciate your summising, but you've just valued a league one club with no stadium or training ground and probably a £10million max playing squad at between £20-30 million.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 26, 2017 5:55:03 GMT
U will also see he made a decent amount of money from selling reading and development land he got from around it, so not unreasonable to think he might be a fair bit wealthier now. Also there can be no intention to asset strip as we have none. I would guess it costs far less to get oxford to the level reading reached, than holding reading at that level/pushing them forward. It also doesn’t have to be a big amount. He could say be offering to put 2/3m in for 10% for all we know 2/3 million for a 10% share a small amount?? I don't think DE would need to negotiate anything for that offer, in fact he'd probably buy him a new number plate for his dodgy car!! I appreciate your summising, but you've just valued a league one club with no stadium or training ground and probably a £10million max playing squad at between £20-30 million. Yeah. Didn’t Darryl pay £4m up front and buy another £2/3m later for a league 2 team with no stadium or training ground . With less value in the squad, and generating less in tv money and ticket sales
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 26, 2017 6:12:29 GMT
2/3 million for a 10% share a small amount?? I don't think DE would need to negotiate anything for that offer, in fact he'd probably buy him a new number plate for his dodgy car!! I appreciate your summising, but you've just valued a league one club with no stadium or training ground and probably a £10million max playing squad at between £20-30 million. Yeah I’d say Darryl would be looking at upwards of £10m to sell. We hold more than that in debt . Didn’t Darryl pay £4m up front and buy another £2/3m later for a league 2 team with no stadium or training ground . With less value in the squad, and generating less in tv money and ticket sales
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Post by Barts on Oct 26, 2017 6:24:03 GMT
2/3 million for a 10% share a small amount?? I don't think DE would need to negotiate anything for that offer, in fact he'd probably buy him a new number plate for his dodgy car!! I appreciate your summising, but you've just valued a league one club with no stadium or training ground and probably a £10million max playing squad at between £20-30 million. Yeah. Didn’t Darryl pay £4m up front and buy another £2/3m later for a league 2 team with no stadium or training ground It Also has a £12 million debt as opposed to a £7M debt. I'm sure that's what Darryl reportedly paid £7m for. The fact is, the club isn't worth £20-30m in league one without a stadium or training ground. If we were in the championship then maybe because of the extra tv rights it would receive. What Darryl has done for oufc is amazing, he put the money up to get us into a position to begin to make money and self finance and through player and management income this year we've been able to do it. What I would say is, if you believe Darryl has taken £7m in total and transferred in from his account to IL's then you are (in my opinion) mistaken. Fwiw, I don't want anyone who had anything to do with the former ownership of Reading FC anywhere near our club! We can't do anything if they do, but I ask you Darryl (and his Dad), don't let them invest, or worse, sell too them!
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Post by Barts on Oct 26, 2017 6:25:33 GMT
Yeah I’d say Darryl would be looking at upwards of £10m to sell. We hold more than that in debt . Didn’t Darryl pay £4m up front and buy another £2/3m later for a league 2 team with no stadium or training ground . With less value in the squad, and generating less in tv money and ticket sales You edited that!! 😂 lol!!
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 26, 2017 6:38:02 GMT
You edited that!! 😂 lol!! I edit nearly every post I write 😉and half still don’t make sense. Even if it’s been to clear debt rather than go to il, he still paid around £8 to clear/buy debt. Were told we now have over £10m so I reckon de would be asking for at least that back
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Post by londonroader on Oct 26, 2017 6:58:41 GMT
No evidence the dodgy people will be involved No evidence he doesn’t have the funds to invest on his own No evidence it is a take over rather than investment. Or: - Track record of involvement with “dodgy people” - Track record of extracting assets and cash from a football club - No evidence of his own huge wealth - Company accounts information which indicates he doesn’t have that wealth - No explanation for his sudden regular appearance in the directors box At the end of the day, Dave, I couldn’t give a flying f*ck if you want to be concerned or not. My only concern is the future of our football club, regardless of personalities. Similarly, I couldn’t give a flying f*ck who takes over our club provided they have the plan and the resources to take the club forward. If you have the evidence (the word you like to keep throwing at me) to counter the information I have turned up, yet again, I’m all ears. This. FK, IL, DE your group have been against all these owners, sniping in the background niggling away. When will your group ever be happy? Will this constant haranguing of the owners carry on year in year out with thread after thread of all your wise wisdom in one form or another, you try to pass it off as the best interest of the club, I would be surprised if any of these owners would judge a lot of your actions as for the benefit of OUFC. You try and use this "obscure social media site" as a platform for your propaganda, the general message your group try and get over is everything is bad but we know the answer. This is nothing personal against you Myles, as it seems you have been pushed to be the fall guy with others wringing their hands in the background. You have managed to get 8 pages out of a OP of speculation, I can't see apart from raising concern what this might achieve, will it stop anything that might be happening, until we know what does unfold if anything your constant retorts on here are in my eyes lessening your argument daily, because of your previous actions the media are less than inclined to touch you, so in a way you are not helping OUFC if there is a any problems, just arguing with people because of the constant white noise in the back ground you create.
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Post by myles on Oct 26, 2017 7:47:56 GMT
Mick, the fact that you dismiss the opening post as “speculation” speaks volumes. Why are you and “your group” so desperate to make sure none of this information gets out?
As for the “constant retorts”, I thought this was a forum where we can debate issues? Some have questioned the substance of my opening post, and I have simply challenged them to demonstrate what I have got wrong. Not long again I was criticised for posting information and then not returning to the thread. Now I’m being criticised for returning and addressing the points raised!
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Post by londonroader on Oct 26, 2017 7:56:32 GMT
Mick, the fact that you dismiss the opening post as “speculation” speaks volumes. Why are you and “your group” so desperate to make sure none of this information gets out? As for the “constant retorts”, I thought this was a forum where we can debate issues? Some have questioned the substance of my opening post, and I have simply challenged them to demonstrate what I have got wrong. Not long again I was criticised for posting information and then not returning to the thread. Now I’m being criticised for returning and addressing the points raised! I’m not against your opening post but it is all about but’s until we know something. Please myles I’m part of no group I speak for myself and it might not be to all groups favour.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 26, 2017 8:00:10 GMT
I do like that I’m now in a group with people I have no idea who they are. Never met londonroader or dennissmithswig. Who else is supposedly in are crew myles ?
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Post by bigronaldo on Oct 26, 2017 8:16:08 GMT
So we are all in some secret cabal, pushing our subversive agenda, stifling alternative thinking and channeling opinion here, with subtle, structural soundbite...? Hmm, not sure about that one... Far too many spelling mistakes for that to be true... Unless.... they are deliberate!!!!?
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Post by Denissmithswig on Oct 26, 2017 9:04:02 GMT
Mick, the fact that you dismiss the opening post as “speculation” speaks volumes. Why are you and “your group” so desperate to make sure none of this information gets out? As for the “constant retorts”, I thought this was a forum where we can debate issues? Some have questioned the substance of my opening post, and I have simply challenged them to demonstrate what I have got wrong. Not long again I was criticised for posting information and then not returning to the thread. Now I’m being criticised for returning and addressing the points raised! I might be mistaken but the fact you had no evidence to support your claims then surely it is speculation? I’m not sure anyone is objecting to what is in your op myles. It’s been pointed out several times you did the same with DE and Ashton but have to admit you were wrong with that.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Oct 26, 2017 9:25:48 GMT
Forewarned is forearmed IMO
If it proves to be baseless speculation, then we can all happily ignore this thread in future.
If it proves to be relevant, then at least we know what we might potentially be dealing with.
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Post by saddletramp on Oct 26, 2017 9:48:36 GMT
I do like that I’m now in a group with people I have no idea who they are. Never met londonroader or dennissmithswig. Who else is supposedly in are crew myles ? Out of interest,how do you know you have no idea who Londonroader and Denissmithswig are ? I do know who Londonroader is,so i know i have met him,i have no idea who Denissmithswig is,so i have no idea whether i know him or not ? The same goes for yourself. When you support a small club like Oxford for as long as i have,i would be surprised if their are many long term fans over the age of 30,that i haven't met/spoken to/recognised over the years. I'm sure over the years their are hundreds(thousands) of fans that i have met/spoken to,without having a clue who they are or what their names are.
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Post by myles on Oct 26, 2017 10:11:19 GMT
I might be mistaken but the fact you had no evidence to support your claims then surely it is speculation? Which claims are those?
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Post by Junior on Oct 26, 2017 10:27:02 GMT
Slightly off topic, but anyone else remember when Charlie tried to influence Oxford fans by using the Yellow Army to put posts out via social media saying that Oxford fans should get behind his bid to take control of the club over Eales!
Why did you do that Charlie?
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Post by scotchegg on Oct 26, 2017 10:35:11 GMT
Just out of interest, would we be bothered if Tiger stripped assets from Reading only to invest it legitimately into Oxford? If Tiger and associates took £25m but then used that to purchase the stadium and develop it properly, would we accept that?
I'm not pretending for a minute that the situation is as simple as that but Readings loss could be our gain. Would that sweeten the deal even more?
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Post by Denissmithswig on Oct 26, 2017 10:44:22 GMT
I do like that I’m now in a group with people I have no idea who they are. Never met londonroader or dennissmithswig. Who else is supposedly in are crew myles ? Out of interest,how do you know you have no idea who Londonroader and Denissmithswig are ? I do know who Londonroader is,so i know i have met him,i have no idea who Denissmithswig is,so i have no idea whether i know him or not ? The same goes for yourself. When you support a small club like Oxford for as long as i have,i would be surprised if their are many long term fans over the age of 30,that i haven't met/spoken to/recognised over the years. I'm sure over the years their are hundreds(thousands) of fans that i have met/spoken to,without having a clue who they are or what their names are. I know of you saddle and recognise you if I see you at games as I think you would recognise me. Like you say, supporting OUFC Home and away you tend to get to know the same familiar faces.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 26, 2017 10:54:06 GMT
Out of interest,how do you know you have no idea who Londonroader and Denissmithswig are ? I do know who Londonroader is,so i know i have met him,i have no idea who Denissmithswig is,so i have no idea whether i know him or not ? The same goes for yourself. When you support a small club like Oxford for as long as i have,i would be surprised if their are many long term fans over the age of 30,that i haven't met/spoken to/recognised over the years. I'm sure over the years their are hundreds(thousands) of fans that i have met/spoken to,without having a clue who they are or what their names are. I know of you saddle and recognise you if I see you at games as I think you would recognise me. Like you say, supporting OUFC Home and away you tend to get to know the same familiar faces. I knew it would be myles that tipped me over the post count 😳 As u say I probably recognise loads of Oufc fans from down the years, hardly makes us into a little gang though, especially if u don’t even know their name. It’s just a fair few people don’t agree with everything that were told to beware of !
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 26, 2017 11:15:10 GMT
I might be mistaken but the fact you had no evidence to support your claims then surely it is speculation? Which claims are those? Good question. What's the difference between 'claims' and 'evidence'? I suppose the info is a claim if you don't want to believe it. Anyhoo, as this thread has degraded into slapstick here's one attempt to hammer some sense into it, or my opinion. Myles has observed (he's not alone) that the eponymous Tiger has been with Mr Eels and other bored members at OUFC matches. Myles has described Tiger's involvement with the (previous?) Thai owners of Plastic Reading FC (PRFC) during which ownership PRFC was effectively asset-stripped. No-one has questioned this information so it looks to me like evidence rather than a claim. He has further described the associations of Tiger's PRFC associates with a former PM of Thailand and their activities in Man City & PRFC. No-one has questioned this. The background Myles has indicated is reasonably thorough (IMO) and reasonably convincing (IMO) - nobody has questioned it. He's further outlined the activities of Intercarabao, owned by one of Tiger's associates at Reading: it looks well dodgy - no-one has questioned this. I don't see any claims so far (I'm trying to be even-handed). Then there are questions and a surmise about money launderers - possibly a claim as I defined it. Nobody's disputed it. So I suppose the 'claim' is the triple imputation underpinning the OP that Tiger must: want to buy / invest in OUFC, be acting for someone and that that someone (or someones) is/are people who have asset-stripped a football club and whose financial activities are seriously questionable. The second and third seem likely. The first is likely because he is talking to Eels, but unlikely because there is no asset base to strip. So, I go back to post 2, where I asked "what asset is there to strip"? Expanding that more generally - why would Tiger & his associates be interested in OUFC? Explain that and the story stands up for me, otherwise I see a lot of effort warding off dragons* causing a tidal wave of agenda-shaming. * Pseudo-intellectuals and those in the team that believe Myles has some cunning agenda may be reassured by this sop: The Old Potter's Tale by Akutegawa.
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Post by fantasticmrox on Oct 26, 2017 12:39:06 GMT
I like Sausages.
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Post by Marked Ox on Oct 26, 2017 12:46:15 GMT
But do you like them with mash and onion gravy?
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Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 26, 2017 12:53:28 GMT
Right, cut the b*llshit. What's your agenda?
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Post by londonroader on Oct 26, 2017 13:34:15 GMT
Mustard or ketchup Baps or hot dog rolls Be decisive
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Post by brassmonkey on Oct 26, 2017 13:40:15 GMT
i like my sausage in some baps.
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