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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 10, 2017 0:20:14 GMT
Summarized: the faint hearts and dissenters are saying that CD was instrumental in the process that brought in Roofe, Lundstram etc, and that they are concerned that, instead of being replaced, the structure is changing. Not that all transfers will stop.
Personally I take the comments about the market in that type of player with a bucket of salt, the recruitment team really failed to find a single player who fit the committed model of the club?
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Post by Left Wing Cross on Oct 10, 2017 8:37:32 GMT
This is what happens when you have a lower league team being successful (especially when it comes to player recruitment) , you become organ donors for the rich.
Whether it is the players themselves, the coaches and managers who make them better, the scouts who identify them or any other position at the club, we have assets that other clubs want and are prepared to pay for.
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Post by shosho on Oct 10, 2017 10:31:46 GMT
How is our recruitment team structured?
As I understand, modern clubs have the data analysts, using Instat/Wyscout which allows them to highlight potential targets...can watch videos, match player profiles to the requirements of the team (outlined by the Head Coach).
You then have the network of scouts, watching the above profiled players, gaining info on personalities etc.
As Mark thomas is head of recruitment, I guess he also uses numbers to also highlight possible scouts/coaches/managers in the same fashion we build up various targets for different roles?
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Post by HeyMcAleny on Oct 10, 2017 10:33:07 GMT
Looks like many are jumping to the conclusion that future transfers can no longer happen, and that this somehow proves that DE is once again killing the club It is is entirely fair and reasonable to question the actions of the Chairman, regardless of who they are. I don't understand why some fans don't want this to happen. Surely recent history has taught us that we must always be wary? None of us know the mind of DE. I do worry that some believe him to be a fan of the club, rather than a businessman who at some stage expects a return on any investment he has made. He could of course be both, but he will always be a businessman. Thus far his strategy has coincided with our ambitions as fans, but to assume this will always be the case is naive. I like DE actually, I'm not criticising him, I was merely observing that we are inevitably weaker in the scouting team than we were before he left, unless you think Craig wasn't doing anything. As fans we should ask DE at the next available opportunity why he hasn't been replaced and how we will meet our needs in this area (assuming the word 'restructuring' means what we think it means). Just to correct the earlier definition, restructuring means either the business is rearranged to better serve current needs, or costs are being saved, or both. I don't think anyone is melting down over this, just asking questions. Some fans object to any criticism or questioning of the Chairman's motives. That path in many instances only leads to disappointment. I would happily buy the man a beer and thank him for our recent success, but I still want to know why we apparently don't need to replace our Head Scout.
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Post by dolly on Oct 10, 2017 10:51:42 GMT
Call it what you will. I'll bet that "restructuring" means he won't be replaced and another salary has been saved. Bit by bit the infrastructure of the club has been chipped away with staff not being replaced. What of the January transfer market? Where are the next Roofe, O'Dowda, Johnson, Ledson etc coming from? It's always difficult to interpret what they actually mean when they issue statements. I'd like to think it means Pep might be wanting to take a more active role in recruitment and will use the opportunity to do so, alongside Mark Thomas and with some additional help. I'd be surprised if the policy of developing young players (both bought in and through our academy) to sell on for a profit later, will change.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 10, 2017 11:06:31 GMT
To this un-ITK supporter, that change was effective by September 2017.
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Post by scotchegg on Oct 10, 2017 14:51:12 GMT
Looks like many are jumping to the conclusion that future transfers can no longer happen, and that this somehow proves that DE is once again killing the club It is is entirely fair and reasonable to question the actions of the Chairman, regardless of who they are. I don't understand why some fans don't want this to happen. Surely recent history has taught us that we must always be wary? None of us know the mind of DE. I do worry that some believe him to be a fan of the club, rather than a businessman who at some stage expects a return on any investment he has made. He could of course be both, but he will always be a businessman. Thus far his strategy has coincided with our ambitions as fans, but to assume this will always be the case is naive. I like DE actually, I'm not criticising him, I was merely observing that we are inevitably weaker in the scouting team than we were before he left, unless you think Craig wasn't doing anything. As fans we should ask DE at the next available opportunity why he hasn't been replaced and how we will meet our needs in this area (assuming the word 'restructuring' means what we think it means). Just to correct the earlier definition, restructuring means either the business is rearranged to better serve current needs, or costs are being saved, or both. I don't think anyone is melting down over this, just asking questions. Some fans object to any criticism or questioning of the Chairman's motives. That path in many instances only leads to disappointment. I would happily buy the man a beer and thank him for our recent success, but I still want to know why we apparently don't need to replace our Head Scout. No one is above criticism but I tend to wait for them to have done something wrong before doing so. We had those who thought MApp was being pushed out or would be replaced internally to save costs. 3 weeks later we conclude what appeared to have been a strong recruitment process with a promising candidate in Pep. Craig has taken a position at Leeds and good luck to him. But no of us know what that means for our future recruitment and what 'restructuring' means. It may mean that we are taking advantage of Peps contacts in the game and become less reliant on scouting from scratch. It might mean that others are coming in or that this move has been on the cards for a while and we have adequate cover in the existing team. My concern is that some immediately assume the worst without giving the club chance to show their intentions either way. This then becomes a stick to beat DE with and often misses more valid arguments or concerns. As with pretty much everything at the club, I have absolutely no idea what the future holds but I see no reason to panic yet.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Oct 10, 2017 18:56:31 GMT
Looks like many are jumping to the conclusion that future transfers can no longer happen, and that this somehow proves that DE is once again killing the club It is is entirely fair and reasonable to question the actions of the Chairman, regardless of who they are. I don't understand why some fans don't want this to happen. Surely recent history has taught us that we must always be wary? None of us know the mind of DE. I do worry that some believe him to be a fan of the club, rather than a businessman who at some stage expects a return on any investment he has made. He could of course be both, but he will always be a businessman. Thus far his strategy has coincided with our ambitions as fans, but to assume this will always be the case is naive. I like DE actually, I'm not criticising him, I was merely observing that we are inevitably weaker in the scouting team than we were before he left, unless you think Craig wasn't doing anything. As fans we should ask DE at the next available opportunity why he hasn't been replaced and how we will meet our needs in this area (assuming the word 'restructuring' means what we think it means). Just to correct the earlier definition, restructuring means either the business is rearranged to better serve current needs, or costs are being saved, or both. I don't think anyone is melting down over this, just asking questions. Some fans object to any criticism or questioning of the Chairman's motives. That path in many instances only leads to disappointment. I would happily buy the man a beer and thank him for our recent success, but I still want to know why we apparently don't need to replace our Head Scout. Why hasn’t he been replaced?! He only left yesterday!
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 10, 2017 19:04:49 GMT
It is is entirely fair and reasonable to question the actions of the Chairman, regardless of who they are. I don't understand why some fans don't want this to happen. Surely recent history has taught us that we must always be wary? None of us know the mind of DE. I do worry that some believe him to be a fan of the club, rather than a businessman who at some stage expects a return on any investment he has made. He could of course be both, but he will always be a businessman. Thus far his strategy has coincided with our ambitions as fans, but to assume this will always be the case is naive. I like DE actually, I'm not criticising him, I was merely observing that we are inevitably weaker in the scouting team than we were before he left, unless you think Craig wasn't doing anything. As fans we should ask DE at the next available opportunity why he hasn't been replaced and how we will meet our needs in this area (assuming the word 'restructuring' means what we think it means). Just to correct the earlier definition, restructuring means either the business is rearranged to better serve current needs, or costs are being saved, or both. I don't think anyone is melting down over this, just asking questions. Some fans object to any criticism or questioning of the Chairman's motives. That path in many instances only leads to disappointment. I would happily buy the man a beer and thank him for our recent success, but I still want to know why we apparently don't need to replace our Head Scout. Why hasn’t he been replaced?! He only left yesterday! While a valid point, how long since we started looking for richard Blackmore or the head of commercial replacements. I think the restructuring means we won’t be replacing. What that means I have no idea
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Post by scotchegg on Oct 10, 2017 20:14:12 GMT
Why hasn’t he been replaced?! He only left yesterday! While a valid point, how long since we started looking for richard Blackmore or the head of commercial replacements. I think the restructuring means we won’t be replacing. What that means I have no idea Equally valid points, and more relevant in my mind than a scout leaving 24hrs ago.
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Post by rickyotto on Oct 11, 2017 3:36:32 GMT
I have no idea what restructuring means in this context.
But given the recent slow replacement process, it might be a good one for oxvox to seek clarity on so that all parties are clear.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 11, 2017 7:29:09 GMT
To this un-ITK supporter, that change was effective by September 2017. WTF! January! January 2017 /slaps forrid.
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Post by Marked Ox on Oct 11, 2017 9:01:19 GMT
Why hasn’t he been replaced?! He only left yesterday! While a valid point, how long since we started looking for richard Blackmore or the head of commercial replacements. I think the restructuring means we won’t be replacing. What that means I have no idea Richard Blackmore is back isn't he? Well he is according to the official website.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 11, 2017 9:05:59 GMT
While a valid point, how long since we started looking for richard Blackmore or the head of commercial replacements. I think the restructuring means we won’t be replacing. What that means I have no idea Richard Blackmore is back isn't he? Well he is according to the official website. He is, but not in the same role if I remember correctly . I think he is now head of club operations, rather than head of academy which was advertised
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Post by Marked Ox on Oct 11, 2017 15:55:05 GMT
Richard Blackmore is back isn't he? Well he is according to the official website. He is, but not in the same role if I remember correctly . I think he is now head of club operations, rather than head of academy which was advertised I thought Les Taylor took on that role?
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 11, 2017 16:07:11 GMT
He is, but not in the same role if I remember correctly . I think he is now head of club operations, rather than head of academy which was advertised I thought Les Taylor took on that role? No he used to but now stepped down to to be in charge of the coaching according to this www.oufc.co.uk/news/2017/june/090617-les-taylor/
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