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Post by flean on Oct 23, 2017 16:53:33 GMT
Why is he Daily Mail saying the accounts are not signed off then....along with so many others....are they lying and are so many of us mistaken? Simple answer to that.
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Post by peterdev on Oct 23, 2017 18:09:31 GMT
Please enlighten me. I'm still pleased we are leaving. My reasons for leaving have nothing to do with the high levels of immigration.....more to do with accountability and being governed by a UK government
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Post by flean on Oct 23, 2017 18:22:00 GMT
Please enlighten me. I'm still pleased we are leaving. My reasons for leaving have nothing to do with the high levels of immigration.....more to do with accountability and being governed by a UK government I enlightened you yesterday! Do you simply not believe in facts? Sorry, but discussing this with you reminds me of this. Chris Morris had it right all them years ago. youtu.be/kGex0kLgNok
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Post by peterdev on Oct 23, 2017 19:06:07 GMT
Any facts on how much we owe the EU then? One the one hand Juncker claims figures approaching £100bn and others involved in Brexit have quoted a lot less.
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Post by flean on Oct 23, 2017 20:48:38 GMT
Any facts on how much we owe the EU then? One the one hand Juncker claims figures approaching £100bn and others involved in Brexit have quoted a lot less. I haven't seen any but i haven't really searched much. Have you? So, if immigration wasn't your point, and it's been proven that the EU accounts have been signed by auditors, and 90 odd % of EU laws / regulations have been voted for by the UK government, what else have you got to cling to?
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Post by peterdev on Oct 29, 2017 9:04:39 GMT
I see in the Sunday papers moves are afoot to have an EU Chancellor of the Exchequer. More power to the centre of government. That was always the real aim of the EU. one state, one country, one people
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Post by flean on Oct 29, 2017 10:01:53 GMT
I see in the Sunday papers moves are afoot to have an EU Chancellor of the Exchequer. More power to the centre of government. That was always the real aim of the EU. one state, one country, one people Yep, we'll all have to speak German and call our children Hans and Frauke.
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Post by flean on Nov 2, 2017 11:37:27 GMT
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Nov 2, 2017 13:04:44 GMT
Well, duh! We are knew this, didn't we? Didn't we?! Oh...
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Post by bashamwonderland on Nov 2, 2017 13:20:28 GMT
"The scariest chart in the world when it comes to Brexit negotiations"
Somebody actually thought about how that headline should be worded...
They came up with the headline, they read it a few times, thought "yeah that's a good headline", took a guilty look at their Journalism degree from Scunthorpe Metropolitan University, and skipped - paper in hand - to the digital editor's desk.
The digital editor looked at that submission, read the headline, thought "yeah that headline is just fine" and published the article.
"The scariest chart in the world"...
I'd really like to know who came up with that.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 2, 2017 13:24:24 GMT
And the content of the report? Any comment on that?
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Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 2, 2017 13:33:36 GMT
'And just 14 per cent of UK trade is conducted with the rest of the world ....'
Pure scaremongering, obviously. I'm sure someone sensible will dispute that figure and prove that leaving Europe will make bugger all difference to our trade.
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Post by bashamwonderland on Nov 2, 2017 13:35:23 GMT
There is no content.
Other than 'we do most of our trade with the EU' I don't really get what else is being said here.
If I have just accurately summarized the report, then my comment is "yes, I know we do most of our trade with the EU". I didn't think that was a discussion that people were having. It's common knowledge.
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Post by flean on Nov 2, 2017 15:35:27 GMT
There is no content. Other than 'we do most of our trade with the EU' I don't really get what else is being said here. If I have just accurately summarized the report, then my comment is "yes, I know we do most of our trade with the EU". I didn't think that was a discussion that people were having. It's common knowledge. If there's no content Bash, then why is the biggest Brexit supporting "newspaper" suddenly reporting it? One of the arguments from Brexit voters was that the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU, hence of course they will be desperate to give the UK exactly what it wants. You're an educated chap, does it not worry you that it's looking like 86% of the UK's trade will soon be done under WTO rules?
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 2, 2017 17:20:36 GMT
There is no content. Other than 'we do most of our trade with the EU' I don't really get what else is being said here. If I have just accurately summarized the report, then my comment is "yes, I know we do most of our trade with the EU". I didn't think that was a discussion that people were having. It's common knowledge. If there's no content Bash, then why is the biggest Brexit supporting "newspaper" suddenly reporting it? One of the arguments from Brexit voters was that the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU, hence of course they will be desperate to give the UK exactly what it wants. You're an educated chap, does it not worry you that it's looking like 86% of the UK's trade will soon be done under WTO rules? Bet it won’t come to that. A deal will either be reached that does benefit both sides. Or we continue as we are for the two years of negotiations. Making things look so impossible to do that it either goes back to a vote, or the eu just refuse our exit (if that’s possible) and nothing changes
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Post by saddletramp on Nov 2, 2017 17:27:41 GMT
There is no content. Other than 'we do most of our trade with the EU' I don't really get what else is being said here. If I have just accurately summarized the report, then my comment is "yes, I know we do most of our trade with the EU". I didn't think that was a discussion that people were having. It's common knowledge. If there's no content Bash, then why is the biggest Brexit supporting "newspaper" suddenly reporting it? One of the arguments from Brexit voters was that the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU, hence of course they will be desperate to give the UK exactly what it wants. You're an educated chap, does it not worry you that it's looking like 86% of the UK's trade will soon be done under WTO rules? Stopped posting about Brexit about a year ago,because at the end of the day we voted out. Flean wont execpt it,i dont know why ? Maybe because he lives in Germany. He is one of the remainers that despite it being bad for Britain laughs everytime that bad news about Brexit looks good for the remainers. Remainers at the end of the day would hate it if Britain prospered outside the EU. Sad really.
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Post by KLYellow on Nov 2, 2017 17:45:53 GMT
Personally I don't see Brexit going ahead.
But scaringly a lot of companies have set dates by which they will commit to moving out of the UK whether Brexit happens or not.
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Post by ag on Nov 2, 2017 17:48:23 GMT
Personally I don't see Brexit going ahead. But scaringly a lot of companies have set dates by which they will commit to moving out of the UK whether Brexit happens or not. Traitor! How dare you talk Britain down by posting inconvenient facts.
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Post by flean on Nov 2, 2017 18:01:28 GMT
If there's no content Bash, then why is the biggest Brexit supporting "newspaper" suddenly reporting it? One of the arguments from Brexit voters was that the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU, hence of course they will be desperate to give the UK exactly what it wants. You're an educated chap, does it not worry you that it's looking like 86% of the UK's trade will soon be done under WTO rules? Bet it won’t come to that. A deal will either be reached that does benefit both sides. Or we continue as we are for the two years of negotiations. Making things look so impossible to do that it either goes back to a vote, or the eu just refuse our exit (if that’s possible) and nothing changes Thing is though mate, the 2 years started back in the spring, and it has only been disaster after disaster in terms of the government getting anything like their act together. Time ain't on their side.
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Post by flean on Nov 2, 2017 18:04:38 GMT
If there's no content Bash, then why is the biggest Brexit supporting "newspaper" suddenly reporting it? One of the arguments from Brexit voters was that the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU, hence of course they will be desperate to give the UK exactly what it wants. You're an educated chap, does it not worry you that it's looking like 86% of the UK's trade will soon be done under WTO rules? Stopped posting about Brexit about a year ago,because at the end of the day we voted out. Flean wont execpt it,i dont know why ? Maybe because he lives in Germany. He is one of the remainers that despite it being bad for Britain laughs everytime that bad news about Brexit looks good for the remainers. Remainers at the end of the day would hate it if Britain prospered outside the EU. Sad really. Yawn. Same old, Saddly. The thing is (whether I take pleasure in this or not, it's irrelevant) it is looking awful for the UK. You were warned about it, but you ignored it and claimed it was 'project fear'. It's now looking all too real isn't it.
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 2, 2017 18:46:28 GMT
Bet it won’t come to that. A deal will either be reached that does benefit both sides. Or we continue as we are for the two years of negotiations. Making things look so impossible to do that it either goes back to a vote, or the eu just refuse our exit (if that’s possible) and nothing changes Thing is though mate, the 2 years started back in the spring, and it has only been disaster after disaster in terms of the government getting anything like their act together. Time ain't on their side. Totally, but as I said to u at the very start, I don’t think we would ever be allowed to leave, the eu can make all negotiations as difficult as possible, and even if agreed can then be vetoed by the Council at the end. Then If ur more of a conspiracy theorist, if the government didn’t want to leave all along , I’d say this is exactly the way to play it, keep the process going while never actually agreeing, or putting an offer on the table that’s acceptable. Make it look like they are going through with the people’s wishes, then at the end say look we’ve tried they ain’t budging and we Think we should vote again to give the people the final say. After all no deal is better than a bad deal.
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Post by flean on Nov 2, 2017 19:03:48 GMT
Thing is though mate, the 2 years started back in the spring, and it has only been disaster after disaster in terms of the government getting anything like their act together. Time ain't on their side. Totally, but as I said to u at the very start, I don’t think we would ever be allowed to leave, the eu can make all negotiations as difficult as possible, and even if agreed can then be vetoed by the Council at the end. Then If ur more of a conspiracy theorist, if the government didn’t want to leave all along , I’d say this is exactly the way to play it, keep the process going while never actually agreeing, or putting an offer on the table that’s acceptable. Make it look like they are going through with the people’s wishes, then at the end say look we’ve tried they ain’t budging and we Think we should vote again to give the people the final say. After all no deal is better than a bad deal. If vetoed by the European Council at the end, then it simply means that the UK will be out of the EU completely without any trade or customs deals. The EU can't now force the UK to stay. The conspiracy about the UK govt being so incompetent that it ends up in another referendum is possible, but pretty far-fetched. I think it's the simple fact that the Conservative party don't have the foggiest how to do this.
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Post by bashamwonderland on Nov 2, 2017 19:26:41 GMT
There is no content. Other than 'we do most of our trade with the EU' I don't really get what else is being said here. If I have just accurately summarized the report, then my comment is "yes, I know we do most of our trade with the EU". I didn't think that was a discussion that people were having. It's common knowledge. If there's no content Bash, then why is the biggest Brexit supporting "newspaper" suddenly reporting it? One of the arguments from Brexit voters was that the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU, hence of course they will be desperate to give the UK exactly what it wants. You're an educated chap, does it not worry you that it's looking like 86% of the UK's trade will soon be done under WTO rules? I don't know why they are reporting it. What's your theory? I don't think their reporting this story is some sort of sign that Brexit is falling apart, or that people are running scared, or are having some sort of remainer epiphany. I believe that the EU needs us equally. If we were to stop trading entirely, the German automotive industry would collapse. The bloc would be financially devastated. Equally, the reverse applies (though we have no automotive industry these days). It doesn't worry me at all that we may trade under WTO rules. Why should it? I don't know a great deal about them so I could use some lessons.
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 2, 2017 19:31:06 GMT
Totally, but as I said to u at the very start, I don’t think we would ever be allowed to leave, the eu can make all negotiations as difficult as possible, and even if agreed can then be vetoed by the Council at the end. Then If ur more of a conspiracy theorist, if the government didn’t want to leave all along , I’d say this is exactly the way to play it, keep the process going while never actually agreeing, or putting an offer on the table that’s acceptable. Make it look like they are going through with the people’s wishes, then at the end say look we’ve tried they ain’t budging and we Think we should vote again to give the people the final say. After all no deal is better than a bad deal. If vetoed by the European Council at the end, then it simply means that the UK will be out of the EU completely without any trade or customs deals. The EU can't now force the UK to stay. The conspiracy about the UK govt being so incompetent that it ends up in another referendum is possible, but pretty far-fetched. I think it's the simple fact that the Conservative party don't have the foggiest how to do this. Also quite possible. Just think it plays out well for them. If things go well, they can claim they achieved it and the other two parties wanted us to remain against the people’s wishes. If it goes badly they can claim it’s been an impossible task thanks to the eu and to save face and votes will offer it up to the people for a second vote on the final deal. Still think the council will say no whatever is agreed, not making us stay but basically forcing us to choose between a very shit deal or staying as we were, knowing that most would then vote to stay.
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Post by bashamwonderland on Nov 2, 2017 19:33:50 GMT
Personally I don't see Brexit going ahead. But scaringly a lot of companies have set dates by which they will commit to moving out of the UK whether Brexit happens or not. Can we get a list of these companies? How many are you talking about? 3? 300? What do you mean by 'moving out'? Will they be removing workforces or just changing head office? What are the dates? If they leave the country 'whether Brexit happens or not', then why are they leaving? Project fear is indeed alive and well.
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Nov 2, 2017 20:32:02 GMT
If there's no content Bash, then why is the biggest Brexit supporting "newspaper" suddenly reporting it? One of the arguments from Brexit voters was that the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU, hence of course they will be desperate to give the UK exactly what it wants. You're an educated chap, does it not worry you that it's looking like 86% of the UK's trade will soon be done under WTO rules? I believe that the EU needs us equally. If we were to stop trading entirely, the German automotive industry would collapse. The bloc would be financially devastated. Equally, the reverse applies (though we have no automotive industry these days). Nonsense. 14% of German cars are sold to UK. A 14% drop in sales would be significant, most likely leading to production capacity reductions e.g. redundancies. I think a complete "collapse" is an exaggeration, BMW and Mercedes-Benz wouldn't be bankrupted by this. Anyway, in the event of a no-deal, WTO rules would result in tariffs making das autos more expensive. Sales would drop but not stop completely. I'd be more worried about the retaliatory tariffs applied on the complex car manufacturing and supply chain - could make it completely uneconomical to make cars in UK. The fact that you think the UK has no auto industry confirms you really don't have a clue what's going on out there.
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Post by bashamwonderland on Nov 2, 2017 20:54:07 GMT
I believe that the EU needs us equally. If we were to stop trading entirely, the German automotive industry would collapse. The bloc would be financially devastated. Equally, the reverse applies (though we have no automotive industry these days). Nonsense. 14% of German cars are sold to UK. A 14% drop in sales would be significant, most likely leading to production capacity reductions e.g. redundancies. I think a complete "collapse" is an exaggeration, BMW and Mercedes-Benz wouldn't be bankrupted by this. Anyway, in the event of a no-deal, WTO rules would result in tariffs making das autos more expensive. Sales would drop but not stop completely. I'd be more worried about the retaliatory tariffs applied on the complex car manufacturing and supply chain - could make it completely uneconomical to make cars in UK. The fact that you think the UK has no auto industry confirms you really don't have a clue what's going on out there. I'm sure your finger is conveniently right on the pulse. Why aren't you doing the negotiations if you're so clued up? So tariffs are non-optional?
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Nov 2, 2017 21:22:13 GMT
Remainers at the end of the day would hate it if Britain prospered outside the EU. Absolute rubbish. I voted to remain, would vote the same tomorrow and think Brexit is a huge mistake that is being catastrophically mismanaged by the current government. (Is that 'Remain'y enough for you? ) But I really, really hope that somehow we thrive outside the EU - hoping anything else would be idiotic.
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Post by ag on Nov 2, 2017 21:37:03 GMT
Nonsense. 14% of German cars are sold to UK. A 14% drop in sales would be significant, most likely leading to production capacity reductions e.g. redundancies. I think a complete "collapse" is an exaggeration, BMW and Mercedes-Benz wouldn't be bankrupted by this. Anyway, in the event of a no-deal, WTO rules would result in tariffs making das autos more expensive. Sales would drop but not stop completely. I'd be more worried about the retaliatory tariffs applied on the complex car manufacturing and supply chain - could make it completely uneconomical to make cars in UK. The fact that you think the UK has no auto industry confirms you really don't have a clue what's going on out there. I'm sure your finger is conveniently right on the pulse. Why aren't you doing the negotiations if you're so clued up? So tariffs are non-optional? You really have the Brexiteer playbook down to a tee. You ask for data someone gives it to you -data which shows you have no idea what you're talking about. You mock them for being a knowall. No wonder negotiations are taking so long-and Britain is looking more and more ridiculous to anyone who doesn't rely on the Daily Express or Tommy Robinson for their information.
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Post by bashamwonderland on Nov 2, 2017 22:31:10 GMT
I'm sure your finger is conveniently right on the pulse. Why aren't you doing the negotiations if you're so clued up? So tariffs are non-optional? You really have the Brexiteer playbook down to a tee. You ask for data someone gives it to you -data which shows you have no idea what you're talking about. You mock them for being a knowall. No wonder negotiations are taking so long-and Britain is looking more and more ridiculous to anyone who doesn't rely on the Daily Express or Tommy Robinson for their information. I think you lowkey fancy Tommy Robinson mate.
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