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Johnson
Aug 11, 2017 12:05:21 GMT
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Post by bashamwonderland on Aug 11, 2017 12:05:21 GMT
He's worth more than 1M in the current climate but I won't miss him if he goes.
I'd hold out for 3-5M with sell-on. Not a good left back, a cracking winger but everybody has a price. Assume he'll just sit in the reserves before moving back to Scotland in a few years.
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Johnson
Aug 11, 2017 12:07:27 GMT
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Post by ForeverYellow on Aug 11, 2017 12:07:27 GMT
Might be tempted to take them to be fair! Could turn out to be a bargain! It's only my opinion that he is worth that, obviously the club agree as otherwise the reported £1mil would of been accepted already. We paid 650k for him at the end of the day plus say 20% sell on to Motherwell so we aren't going to sell for anything under £3m anyway. You must see that? Otherwise it's awful business practice. We didn't though! It was £400k plus bonuses and a 10% sell on Sell at £1m we would still make just under 500k profit Must of misread what we paid for him then, I will accept your figures but even allowing for that as a football club we should play hardball over fees for our players. He is worth more than £1m & that sort of offer wouldn't even be entertained. £3m is a starting price as someone else on this thread said. Then you try and push the buying club into added on fees etc. It's just the way the market is. We as a club have to take advantage of that fact. All about opinions though & im respectful enough to take everyone's as that's what this forum is all about at the end of the day. 👍
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 11, 2017 12:09:10 GMT
But if u base it on what we know are realistic figures on a scale of cod £1.6m to roofe £3m I'd say Johno at £2m is about right wouldn't u ? No, the market has inflated ludicrously in 12 months. If we want promotion then we need to keep him. Value of promotion? Only above £3m pus extras should be considered. I'd love it if ur correct, but have a feeling u will be disappointed. Personally I'd love him to stay for a season in his proper position just to see what he can really do.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 11, 2017 12:12:08 GMT
We didn't though! It was £400k plus bonuses and a 10% sell on Sell at £1m we would still make just under 500k profit Must of misread what we paid for him then, I will accept your figures but even allowing for that as a football club we should play hardball over fees for our players. He is worth more than £1m & that sort of offer wouldn't even be entertained. £3m is a starting price as someone else on this thread said. Then you try and push the buying club into added on fees etc. It's just the way the market is. We as a club have to take advantage of that fact. All about opinions though & im respectful enough to take everyone's as that's what this forum is all about at the end of the day. 👍 Just going on that kiddy tweeted they had received £40k as their 10% sell on when we brought him. I don't think he's played enough to trigger any of the extra 250k clauses like appearances (unless it's per game). And mapp and de said on Facebook forum the sell on was small 10%. I think Motherwell quoted the £650k figure but were probably including everything
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Post by taffyewe on Aug 11, 2017 12:14:14 GMT
Incidentally. remember the reason he came to us was to be closer to his child was it not? Birmingham area I believe.
Hull wold not appeal surely?
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Post by ForeverYellow on Aug 11, 2017 12:15:06 GMT
Must of misread what we paid for him then, I will accept your figures but even allowing for that as a football club we should play hardball over fees for our players. He is worth more than £1m & that sort of offer wouldn't even be entertained. £3m is a starting price as someone else on this thread said. Then you try and push the buying club into added on fees etc. It's just the way the market is. We as a club have to take advantage of that fact. All about opinions though & im respectful enough to take everyone's as that's what this forum is all about at the end of the day. 👍 Just going on that kiddy tweeted they had received £40k as their 10% sell on when we brought him. I don't think he's played enough to trigger any of the extra 250k clauses like appearances (unless it's per game). And mapp and de said on Facebook forum the sell on was small 10%. I think Motherwell quoted the £650k figure but were probably including everything Yeah most probably. I don't doubt the figures. I think with eales saying what he did at the forum then we won't even entertain anything below £3mil as losing a player that on his day & especially away from home can tear defences apart. You have to put a big premium on that. I wish we would get our business done and the transfer window would bloody close if I'm honest haha 🙈
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Post by paulbeasley on Aug 11, 2017 12:21:44 GMT
Why would Hull want to buy a player worth only £1m when they can obviously afford more? Premier League last season with parachute payments tucked in their pockets. If they thought a million was about right I doubt he'd get in their team regularly. If they think he's worth more than that and they only offer that £1m they're clearly taking the p*ss, but you can't blame them. But we don't know what they've offered do we? I don't really blame Johnson for being a bit p*ssed off. He's a winger not a bloody left back. Did Mapp tell him where he was going to be playing a lot of his football when he signed for us?
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Post by Paul Cannell on Aug 11, 2017 12:23:40 GMT
Incidentally. remember the reason he came to us was to be closer to his child was it not? Birmingham area I believe. Hull wold not appeal surely? Perhaps the child has become portable?
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Post by fishpaste on Aug 11, 2017 12:33:00 GMT
Might be tempted to take them to be fair! Could turn out to be a bargain! It's only my opinion that he is worth that, obviously the club agree as otherwise the reported £1mil would of been accepted already. We paid 650k for him at the end of the day plus say 20% sell on to Motherwell so we aren't going to sell for anything under £3m anyway. You must see that? Otherwise it's awful business practice. We didn't though! It was £400k plus bonuses and a 10% sell on Sell at £1m we would still make just under 500k profit From the Scottish Sun (July 13th): The deal only went through after Well’s chief operating officer Alan Burrows insisted on a 25 per cent share of any future transfer fees. It must be true if it's in the Sun
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Post by Young Money on Aug 11, 2017 12:37:00 GMT
Rather than talking about fees (because we don't know how much we paid for him and what the sell on % is etc) we should talk about PROFIT, not fees.
I think Johnson is a good player at this level and would be delighted if he stayed, especially if he was played as a midfielder/wide forward more than a fullback. However, if we're getting £1m profit for him he has to be sold. I'd say the same for £750k profit. If it was £500k I'd be wavering, and anything much less I wouldn't bother...
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Post by amershamdave on Aug 11, 2017 12:49:22 GMT
We all seem to be forgetting something. Ridiculous transfer fees. Let's join the bandwagon! I would say that, if Hull with all their money, or Leeds (ditto) wants Marvin, make them pay over the top! £50 million for that Swansea player? No way! £200 million for Neymar? Eat my earwax! £160 million for that 18 year old Mbappe? Now you're just being silly! £5 million at least for Marvin?. Absolutely!
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Post by socrates on Aug 11, 2017 12:58:27 GMT
Clearly £1m is a poor deal for us. But only if we are getting stung on a sell-on fee back to Motherwell. If so, that's our look out and you can hardly blame Hull for being bothered.
Having said that, if the offer is £1m it is not only derisory but deliberately low to provoke a reaction and unrest from the player. They can afford more and he is worth more.
But I would be utterly amazied if he went for more than £2m. Have always thought about 1.5 or 1.6 was his level.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 11, 2017 12:58:33 GMT
We didn't though! It was £400k plus bonuses and a 10% sell on Sell at £1m we would still make just under 500k profit From the Scottish Sun (July 13th): The deal only went through after Well’s chief operating officer Alan Burrows insisted on a 25 per cent share of any future transfer fees. It must be true if it's in the SunSo what ur saying is we should trust the Scottish sun over what Darryl said in person ?? I didn't think that was the done thing on here 😉
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Post by The Fence End on Aug 11, 2017 13:10:08 GMT
But if u base it on what we know are realistic figures on a scale of cod £1.6m to roofe £3m I'd say Johno at £2m is about right wouldn't u ? No, the market has inflated ludicrously in 12 months. If we want promotion then we need to keep him. Value of promotion? Only above £3m pus extras should be considered. He simply isn't that good though!
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Post by dabigfella on Aug 11, 2017 13:14:13 GMT
No, the market has inflated ludicrously in 12 months. If we want promotion then we need to keep him. Value of promotion? Only above £3m pus extras should be considered. He simply isn't that good though! Given that the ridiculous sum of £198,000,000 has been played for ONE player. I would suggest that he is!!!!!!!
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Post by brassmonkey on Aug 11, 2017 13:56:05 GMT
Think that tomorrow will reveal a lot. If marvs not playing it's cheerio
Sent from my SM-G930F using proboards
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 11, 2017 14:13:29 GMT
He simply isn't that good though! Given that the ridiculous sum of £198,000,000 has been played for ONE player. I would suggest that he is!!!!!!! Technically that was the valuation of the player though was it. Just a loop hole that meant psg could get him even though he wasn't for sale.
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Post by Best Mate on Aug 11, 2017 14:23:34 GMT
I don't really understand the consensus on here.
If we sell him for £1 million and make a 500K profit - who are we going to get in the next 2 weeks to replace him? People list names above as if we can 100% sign them for the money. Clubs will not want to sell at this point. The fact is, he has potentially 3 years left on his deal - lets get a decent season out of him at left wing once the Brazilian is fit.
I can't help but think some people are taking the approach that because he was poor on Tuesday that he may as well leave. H was actually fairly poor first 3 months last season until he settled. Jesus, even if he wants to go, and we don't want to sell - we have time on his contract - he will have to get his head down anyhow. He may not be loving life at left back but I would assume come Bank Holiday weekend, he will be pushed on.
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Post by socrates on Aug 11, 2017 14:25:11 GMT
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Post by yellowoptimist on Aug 11, 2017 14:33:57 GMT
From the Scottish Sun (July 13th): The deal only went through after Well’s chief operating officer Alan Burrows insisted on a 25 per cent share of any future transfer fees. It must be true if it's in the SunSo what ur saying is we should trust the Scottish sun over what Darryl said in person ?? I didn't think that was the done thing on here 😉 Tiresome!!
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 11, 2017 14:51:32 GMT
So what ur saying is we should trust the Scottish sun over what Darryl said in person ?? I didn't think that was the done thing on here 😉 Tiresome!! Not at all mate. People have been having digs at me and others for not believing everything Darryl says for months. You don't find it ironic that when I do, people question if it's true 😂
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Post by RCYellowRC on Aug 11, 2017 14:53:16 GMT
No, the market has inflated ludicrously in 12 months. If we want promotion then we need to keep him. Value of promotion? Only above £3m pus extras should be considered. He simply isn't that good though! When Hull have received £50,000,000 in fees since January, i suggest they can afford to pay £3,000,000 if they really want him.
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Post by amershamdave on Aug 11, 2017 15:34:45 GMT
I believe Hull got £47 million or thereabouts as a parachute payment. I say £5 million for Johnson's services. £47 million for god's sake!
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Post by taffyewe on Aug 11, 2017 18:06:12 GMT
It just proves that he has submitted a request which has been rejected. Liverpool can demand whatever fee they want. If the player sulks, let hum rot until he sees sense. DE should not let a MJ dictate this. We have the holding card of a 3 year contract, so DE simply demands the fee, which happened with COD and Roofe. People seem to think that £500k is enough profit......are you real? We have found a gem and should demand a royal price. His value is up there because clubs are seeing him as a left back, not a winger. Marv, engineered the move to us, so should show us some respect and not do the same thing again 12 months later. He will get a rep for it ya know! Nickname would be Jump ship Jonny. Let's hop he has his head screwed on and focuses on us.
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Post by bobsyouruncle on Aug 11, 2017 20:00:59 GMT
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Post by makv on Aug 12, 2017 8:27:08 GMT
That article says no such thing!
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Johnson
Aug 12, 2017 8:51:22 GMT
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Post by cass63 on Aug 12, 2017 8:51:22 GMT
f*ck him, after Tuesdays performance id take a fiver for him, and I'd want some change, dont believe the hype..
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Post by sonofivan on Aug 12, 2017 9:32:04 GMT
That article says no such thing! Meanwhile, reports emerged last night Hull City had made a bid for Marvin Johnson.
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Post by makv on Aug 12, 2017 10:05:57 GMT
That article says no such thing! Meanwhile, reports emerged last night Hull City had made a bid for Marvin Johnson. Quite. Which is not the same as "Hull have made an offer".
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Post by headingtonoldboy on Aug 12, 2017 10:10:56 GMT
On his day Johnson can be brilliant but unfortunately those days are not as frequent as they should be. Sometimes he just looks disinterested. Wembley (in my opinion ) was a case in point. He is too inconsistent. If he wants a big money move he needs to buck his ideas up and put in more consistent performances.
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