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Post by oxvox on Aug 7, 2017 11:50:49 GMT
Hi all
Just a reminder that there is a fans forum with Ian Mixter and the OUFC Safety Team this Thursday (10th Aug). Venue is Oxford City FC and the start time is 7.30pm.
After a short presentation from Ian, there will a Q&A session where everyone will have the opportunity to discuss ideas and suggestions that hopefully can help enhance the match day experience for all fans.
PC Simon Gray from Thames Valley police will also be in attendance.
Just to reiterate, although the event is being organised by OxVox, it is open for ALL fans to attend.
We do hope as many fans as possible can attend for what we're sure will be an enjoyable, informative and productive forum!
Cheers
Jem
COYY's!
(PS. The bar will be open!)
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Post by oxvox on Aug 11, 2017 8:59:36 GMT
Many thanks to all who attended last nights fans forum with Ian Mixter and many of his safety time for what proved to be an enjoyable, informative and productive session!
We really are very grateful to Ian and his guys for giving up there time. Also to PC Simon Gray who came along and made a valuable contribution to the evening
We took (lots!) of notes and we'll be publishing minutes sometime next week.
Cheers!
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Post by sarge on Aug 22, 2017 9:54:03 GMT
Many thanks to all who attended last nights fans forum with Ian Mixter and many of his safety time for what proved to be an enjoyable, informative and productive session! We really are very grateful to Ian and his guys for giving up there time. Also to PC Simon Gray who came along and made a valuable contribution to the evening We took (lots!) of notes and we'll be publishing minutes sometime next week. Cheers! Any luck with the minutes from that enlightening meeting as yet? ..... or are they out already & Ive missed them?
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Post by Jem on Aug 22, 2017 16:27:04 GMT
Many thanks to all who attended last nights fans forum with Ian Mixter and many of his safety time for what proved to be an enjoyable, informative and productive session! We really are very grateful to Ian and his guys for giving up there time. Also to PC Simon Gray who came along and made a valuable contribution to the evening We took (lots!) of notes and we'll be publishing minutes sometime next week. Cheers! Any luck with the minutes from that enlightening meeting as yet? ..... or are they out already & Ive missed them? Hi Sarge The minutes will be sent out to members either this evening, or tomorrow evening at the latest. Sorry for the delay. They make an interesting read. Some great ideas to work on and also some contentious stuff too! Just as we like it! Cheers Jem
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Post by sarge on Aug 22, 2017 16:46:13 GMT
Any luck with the minutes from that enlightening meeting as yet? ..... or are they out already & Ive missed them? Hi Sarge The minutes will be sent out to members either this evening, or tomorrow evening at the latest. Sorry for the delay. They make an interesting read. Some great ideas to work on and also some contentious stuff too! Just as we like it! Cheers Jem Cheers Jem, look forward to seeing them
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Post by Si Bradbury on Aug 23, 2017 11:28:07 GMT
Notes should be out tonight. Regards
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Post by Eaststandboy on Aug 23, 2017 20:37:23 GMT
Have they been sent out?
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Post by Trevor L on Aug 23, 2017 20:48:57 GMT
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Post by Kairdiff Exile on Aug 23, 2017 21:05:52 GMT
Tried to e-mail this reply to OxVox but for some reason I always get a bounce back from your e-mail addresses!
Thanks for this, most interesting - particularly for us exiles who can't make these sorts of events easily.
One question: I was encouraged to read the following section regarding the Fence End:
"Subsequent consideration had been given, following OxVox’s dialogue with FIROKA over a fourth stand for the Newcastle FA Cup game, to look at options for a fourth stand by IM. It was felt that a safe standing stand, of circa 800 seats, could fit behind the goal without much infrastructural changes. It would be a non-alcoholic stand and further stands could be erected into the corner of the N/S – W/S corner."
Has anyone asked for the rationale of decreeing from the outset, without a dialogue with fans, that any new safe standing area should be alcohol-free? I welcome the idea of safe standing wholeheartedly, but would argue that imposing an unnecessary and illiberal restriction on alcohol would be wholly unsatisfactory and stems from the misguided starting point that fans cannot be trusted with alcohol!
I do hope you will raise the issue when the opportunity next arises.
As always, thanks for all the work you do on behalf of the fans.
Yours faithfully, Kairdiff Exile
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Post by ox4eva on Aug 23, 2017 21:16:30 GMT
Just read it and from some of the comments it's clear some of our supporters need to take a long hard look at themselves!
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Post by Eaststandboy on Aug 23, 2017 21:25:29 GMT
Crikey the forum is being dragged through the shit again, I also saw LOTS of negative comments about the incidents including management on other social media outlets!
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Post by foley on Aug 23, 2017 21:46:03 GMT
Crikey the forum is being dragged through the shit again, I also saw LOTS of negative comments about the incidents including management on other social media outlets! What is being said ESB? Why is the forum being dragged through the shit? I don't understand!!
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 23, 2017 21:52:56 GMT
Crikey the forum is being dragged through the shit again, I also saw LOTS of negative comments about the incidents including management on other social media outlets! I wouldn't take it personally ESB. This is one of the main forums for the club so will get brought up. What I would say is maybe speak to Malc about how you deal with posters who do make comments/threats to certain individuals and their family.
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Post by plonker on Aug 23, 2017 21:59:42 GMT
Fans have every right to comment on his ability to do his job. Our safety is in his hands after all.
The threats, however, are unacceptable and under new proposed laws, I believe they would be taken as seriously as a threat in person.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 23, 2017 22:03:46 GMT
Fans have every right to comment on his ability to do his job. Our safety is in his hands after all. The threats, however, are unacceptable and under new proposed laws, I believe they would be taken as seriously as a threat in person. I agree. Questions can be asked on any aspect of the club but personal abuse is uncalled for. This is a great forum for fans to discuss and debate but it needs to be done in certain ways. I find it odd that no ultras felt the need to attend this meeting when it would of been in their interest to do so.
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Post by plonker on Aug 23, 2017 22:10:19 GMT
The comment he referenced is from the "Ian Mixter out" thread made by Paul Cannell - "I vote we do it the British way. Have a bloody good lynching and worry abut the evidence later." Paul obviously forgot the laughter emoji or /s if you prefer.
I'm guessing the whole thread upset him a little.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Aug 24, 2017 7:10:57 GMT
The comment he referenced is from the "Ian Mixter out" thread made by Paul Cannell - "I vote we do it the British way. Have a bloody good lynching and worry abut the evidence later." Paul obviously forgot the laughter emoji or /s if you prefer. I'm guessing the whole thread upset him a little. Rather sad that he took a post satirising the anti-Mixter posts as an attack on him. Still, that sort of self-dramatising tosh is police training I suppose. Poor show.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 24, 2017 7:14:43 GMT
This place is an annoyance to the club as it helps a group of people have longer, detailed conversations about the club - of course they would rather it not exist! Twitter is more snap shot based and Facebook is just full of odd conversations and people.
At the time, I found some of the name calling about Ian Mixter unhelpful and disrespectful. Whether it was "irony" or not, there has to be a level of respect.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 24, 2017 7:31:43 GMT
The comment he referenced is from the "Ian Mixter out" thread made by Paul Cannell - "I vote we do it the British way. Have a bloody good lynching and worry abut the evidence later." Paul obviously forgot the laughter emoji or /s if you prefer. I'm guessing the whole thread upset him a little. Seriously !! That was the threat ! I take it mr mixter is not a fan of sarcastic humour . And doesn't sit down and watch faulty towers or monty python 🙈. Of all the comments made about him he picks the one that's mocking those comments- brilliant
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Post by Yellow River on Aug 24, 2017 7:47:20 GMT
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IM highlighted the concern of some family groups sitting in the Family Section of the behaviour of lone males / groups of males without children within the Area. IM reminded the room that the section was a family section & behaviour should reflect such.
Moving the family section to the North Stand was always going create its own problems, particularly when the likes of Swinedon, Millwall, Portsmouth come to town. I don't condone aggressive behaviour but anyone could see that mixing familes and 'lads' plus away supporters (regardless of segregation) in the same stand is going to be an issue.
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Post by carefreeoufc on Aug 24, 2017 7:49:19 GMT
Some time ago we were told that the OB weren't walking around with a book full of photos. Now the Stewards will be wondering around with an iPhone app full of people's photos for recognition purposes.
The world has gone mad, I think it's quite a concerning development if it is the case.
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Post by brassmonkey on Aug 24, 2017 8:13:55 GMT
I have made an app of all steward faces for recognition purposes . (i havent really)
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Post by manorlounger on Aug 24, 2017 8:47:00 GMT
"A number of examples were given and OxVox were astounded to hear of some of the abuse that had been subjected to our ‘own players this pre-season’ and to fellow fans, including small children."
And that was just from the directors box!
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Post by Mark on Aug 24, 2017 8:49:01 GMT
I have made an app of all steward faces for recognition purposes . (i havent really) FAO Brassmonkey "please update your account to enable 3rd party hosting". something's gone wrong with your signature picture on the web version of the forum.
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Post by makv on Aug 24, 2017 9:23:34 GMT
I have made an app of all steward faces for recognition purposes . (i havent really) I have
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Post by Pete Burrett on Aug 24, 2017 9:30:50 GMT
Seems as though a comprehensive range of topics were discussed, which must make the meeting worthwhile. Well done OxVox, Mr Mixter and the club for coming together.
I can't really complain as I wasn't there myself, but that was a very low fan turn out! Seemingly hot topics being discussed, in Oxford, yet only 13 supporters present, plus OxVox committee members. I wonder how Mr Mixter (and OUFC) felt about that. Plenty of disquiet on the forum, but not many bothered enough to make the meeting.
The various 'gates' seem to have been sorted out, and any sensible fan would have to support a hard approach to, for instance, unsuitable people gaining access to family areas and behaving badly. No-one wants a totally sanitised football environment, but there has to be limits.
An increasing number of OUFC's own, well-trained stewards sounds good, as does at least considering the possibility of an Ultras section in the East Stand.
Only three negatives for me:
1. Mr Mixter and his family should not be receiving threats, but perhaps he should be able to spot satire that was, in fact, supportive of him;
2. What is the Rapid Expansion System crowd management system? Apparently it can be lent out to other clubs when not in use. What on earth is it? OxVox will no doubt seek clarity;
3. OxTales can f*ck right off. The idea off stewards accessing an App that shows 'risk supporters' has no place at OUFC. People rightly objected to TVP filming crowds and comparing footage to books of mug shots. OUFC shouldn't be doing the same. So many questions: who goes on the list and why? When do they come off the list? What actions will stewards take if they identify someone via the App? What rights of appeal are there, instantly and after the event? As stated in the meeting notes, OxVox need to investigate this much, much further.
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Post by sihath on Aug 24, 2017 9:36:44 GMT
Seems as though a comprehensive range of topics were discussed, which must make the meeting worthwhile. Well done OxVox, Mr Mixter and the club for coming together. I can't really complain as I wasn't there myself, but that was a very low fan turn out! Seemingly hot topics being discussed, in Oxford, yet only 13 supporters present, plus OxVox committee members. I wonder how Mr Mixter (and OUFC) felt about that. Plenty of disquiet on the forum, but not many bothered enough to make the meeting. The various 'gates' seem to have been sorted out, and any sensible fan would have to support a hard approach to, for instance, unsuitable people gaining access to family areas and behaving badly. No-one wants a totally sanitised football environment, but there has to be limits. An increasing number of OUFC's own, well-trained stewards sounds good, as does at least considering the possibility of an Ultras section in the East Stand. Only three negatives for me: 1. Mr Mixter and his family should not be receiving threats, but perhaps he should be able to spot satire that was, in fact, supportive of him; 2. What is the Rapid Expansion System crowd management system? Apparently it can be lent out to other clubs when not in use. What on earth is it? OxVox will no doubt seek clarity; 3. OxTales can f*ck right off. The idea off stewards accessing an App that shows 'risk supporters' has no place at OUFC. People rightly objected to TVP filming crowds and comparing footage to books of mug shots. OUFC shouldn't be doing the same. So many questions: who goes on the list and why? When do they come off the list? What actions will stewards take if they identify someone via the App? What rights of appeal are there, instantly and after the event? As stated in the meeting notes, OxVox need to investigate this much, much further. Agree with 1 and 3. The Rapid Expansion System is, I believe, the big metal wall they sometime put up behind the North Stand.
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Post by oufcgav on Aug 24, 2017 10:06:27 GMT
Seems as though a comprehensive range of topics were discussed, which must make the meeting worthwhile. Well done OxVox, Mr Mixter and the club for coming together. I can't really complain as I wasn't there myself, but that was a very low fan turn out! Seemingly hot topics being discussed, in Oxford, yet only 13 supporters present, plus OxVox committee members. I wonder how Mr Mixter (and OUFC) felt about that. Plenty of disquiet on the forum, but not many bothered enough to make the meeting. The various 'gates' seem to have been sorted out, and any sensible fan would have to support a hard approach to, for instance, unsuitable people gaining access to family areas and behaving badly. No-one wants a totally sanitised football environment, but there has to be limits. An increasing number of OUFC's own, well-trained stewards sounds good, as does at least considering the possibility of an Ultras section in the East Stand. Only three negatives for me: 1. Mr Mixter and his family should not be receiving threats, but perhaps he should be able to spot satire that was, in fact, supportive of him; 2. What is the Rapid Expansion System crowd management system? Apparently it can be lent out to other clubs when not in use. What on earth is it? OxVox will no doubt seek clarity; 3. OxTales can f*ck right off. The idea off stewards accessing an App that shows 'risk supporters' has no place at OUFC. People rightly objected to TVP filming crowds and comparing footage to books of mug shots. OUFC shouldn't be doing the same. So many questions: who goes on the list and why? When do they come off the list? What actions will stewards take if they identify someone via the App? What rights of appeal are there, instantly and after the event? As stated in the meeting notes, OxVox need to investigate this much, much further. Attempted satire by one person can sometimes be hard to spot in a long and heated forum thread, especially when you are not a regular on the forum and in tune with the 'personality' of posters. The RES is the big temporary metal dividing wall used around the away area behind the North stand. Re: OxTales. There is a need for real clarity and openness here. There is a real data protection/privacy issue if people are personally identifiable in an electronic database (especially if that data is then widely accessible on mobile devices). I look forward to OxVox pressing on this.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 24, 2017 10:08:08 GMT
Seems as though a comprehensive range of topics were discussed, which must make the meeting worthwhile. Well done OxVox, Mr Mixter and the club for coming together. I can't really complain as I wasn't there myself, but that was a very low fan turn out! Seemingly hot topics being discussed, in Oxford, yet only 13 supporters present, plus OxVox committee members. I wonder how Mr Mixter (and OUFC) felt about that. Plenty of disquiet on the forum, but not many bothered enough to make the meeting. The various 'gates' seem to have been sorted out, and any sensible fan would have to support a hard approach to, for instance, unsuitable people gaining access to family areas and behaving badly. No-one wants a totally sanitised football environment, but there has to be limits. An increasing number of OUFC's own, well-trained stewards sounds good, as does at least considering the possibility of an Ultras section in the East Stand. Only three negatives for me: 1. Mr Mixter and his family should not be receiving threats, but perhaps he should be able to spot satire that was, in fact, supportive of him; 2. What is the Rapid Expansion System crowd management system? Apparently it can be lent out to other clubs when not in use. What on earth is it? OxVox will no doubt seek clarity; 3. OxTales can f*ck right off. The idea off stewards accessing an App that shows 'risk supporters' has no place at OUFC. People rightly objected to TVP filming crowds and comparing footage to books of mug shots. OUFC shouldn't be doing the same. So many questions: who goes on the list and why? When do they come off the list? What actions will stewards take if they identify someone via the App? What rights of appeal are there, instantly and after the event? As stated in the meeting notes, OxVox need to investigate this much, much further. Agree with 1 and 3. The Rapid Expansion System is, I believe, the big metal wall they sometime put up behind the North Stand. One of these bad boys (water cannon optional)
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Post by cass63 on Aug 24, 2017 10:10:29 GMT
How do they get the right to have an app of people's faces, football fans have rights taken away every day and don't even know about it. If I went up to someone at random and took a photo of them and told them it was going on a random database I'd expect some retribution.
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