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Post by junior1 on Jan 30, 2011 14:04:46 GMT
Arsenal v Man Utd
How many of arsenals have been soft??? I'd say 7
Who says refs favour man utd...
Discuss
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Post by baldy on Jan 30, 2011 15:04:40 GMT
Today's looked soft. That was just a coming together and bendnter just collapsed. What about fabregas doing his utmost to get the huddersfield player sent off and his booking for a dive ? Cheating still rife at the emirates.
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Post by sihath on Jan 30, 2011 15:17:53 GMT
Arsenal v Man Utd How many of arsenals have been soft??? I'd say 7 Who says refs favour man utd... Refs favour ALL the big teams, I would have thought you'd have realised that by nowDiscuss If the referee deems it a penalty, can you explain to me why the Huddersfield player wasn't sent off. He denied a clear goal scoring opportunity.
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Post by sihath on Jan 30, 2011 15:19:36 GMT
Today's looked soft. That was just a coming together and bendnter just collapsed. What about fabregas doing his utmost to get the huddersfield player sent off and his booking for a dive ? Cheating still rife at the emirates. Cheating is rife in the Premier League, it appears you only see cheating from Arsenal players. Fabregas was doing what Man Utd players, Liverpool players, Chelsea players all do.
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Post by longliveclarkey on Jan 30, 2011 15:33:06 GMT
Today's looked soft. That was just a coming together and bendnter just collapsed. What about fabregas doing his utmost to get the huddersfield player sent off and his booking for a dive ? Cheating still rife at the emirates. Cheating is rife in the Premier League, it appears you only see cheating from Arsenal players. Fabregas was doing what Man Utd players, Liverpool players, Chelsea players all do. I believe you condemn them for it, will you do it for Fabregas too? Apologies if you don't, but you've got to treat it equally for every team.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 30, 2011 15:40:33 GMT
I think its a bit of a myth that the big clubs of the prem dive and cheat more than others. Its rife in the whole premier league and the cancer is spreading to the FL as well. The reason why nobody is complaining at players from the likes of Fulham, Wigan and Blackpool, diving, falling over and trying to get people booked is because they are not as high profile and over scrutinised.
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Post by sihath on Jan 30, 2011 15:44:11 GMT
Cheating is rife in the Premier League, it appears you only see cheating from Arsenal players. Fabregas was doing what Man Utd players, Liverpool players, Chelsea players all do. I believe you condemn them for it, will you do it for Fabregas too? Apologies if you don't, but you've got to treat it equally for every team. I'll condemn them all Clarkey. Didn't see the Fabregas incident as I was dropping the wife at work so missed the last 5-10 mins of the game. If Fabregas has done something/cheated/ whatever, I'll condemn him. There is cheating at every club. Diving/trying to get opponents sent off/feigning injury/chasing refs. I can see it at every club. Sadly there are plenty who post on here with agendas who won't see it in their own teams players, and will only condemn players from their opponents.
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Post by sihath on Jan 30, 2011 16:26:09 GMT
Today's looked soft. That was just a coming together and bendnter just collapsed. What about fabregas doing his utmost to get the huddersfield player sent off and his booking for a dive ? Cheating still rife at the emirates. I have just remembered your justification for Rafael doing exactly the same thing. It's OK if the card that the player is asking the ref to give is justified was what you said. In this instance the defender is denying a clear goal scoring opportunity and should have been sent off. You should be defending Fabregas, not criticsing, unless of course you have double standards
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Post by concretebob on Jan 30, 2011 16:34:23 GMT
That's nothing. Oxford United (some club in the football league I look out for) have only had one this season!
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Post by moobs on Jan 30, 2011 16:41:23 GMT
AT least Bendtner made a good job of it, the defender was all over him, but yes, he made the most of it. Not quite the same as Berbatov's blatent dive but that's in the past
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Post by baldy on Jan 30, 2011 16:49:46 GMT
It was one of those where the referee could never have seen contact but he gave it on the assumption that the defender must have fouled the attacker. Not always the case and I am far from convinced there was any foul, it jus looked like two players going for the ball and the defender being stronger than the attacker hence the attacker taking a tumble.I can understand why the referee gave it but no one will ever convince me that he saw an actual foul because there wasnt one.
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Post by sihath on Jan 30, 2011 16:55:02 GMT
It was one of those where the referee could never have seen contact but he gave it on the assumption that the defender must have fouled the attacker. Not always the case and I am far from convinced there was any foul, it jus looked like two players going for the ball and the defender being stronger than the attacker hence the attacker taking a tumble.I can understand why the referee gave it but no one will ever convince me that he saw an actual foul because there wasnt one. If the referee gives the penalty then the defender should have been sent of. If you apply the laws of the game correctly it's a red card. There is no other choice.
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Post by baldy on Jan 30, 2011 17:03:17 GMT
Maybe you are right but it's a further indication to me that the referee wasn't convinced there was a blatant foul. Also the player didn't have the ball in his possession and under control, referees are less likely to give those when they can't be sure the attacker would have got there. It was fizzed across the box and you cant be sure bendtner would have reached it hence not a clear goal scoring chance.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 30, 2011 17:11:13 GMT
Maybe you are right but it's a further indication to me that the referee wasn't convinced there was a blatant foul. Also the player didn't have the ball in his possession and under control, referees are less likely to give those when they can't be sure the attacker would have got there. It was fizzed across the box and you cant be sure bendtner would have reached it hence not a clear goal scoring chance. We've had this argument before.
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Post by baldy on Jan 30, 2011 17:22:52 GMT
Maybe you are right but it's a further indication to me that the referee wasn't convinced there was a blatant foul. Also the player didn't have the ball in his possession and under control, referees are less likely to give those when they can't be sure the attacker would have got there. It was fizzed across the box and you cant be sure bendtner would have reached it hence not a clear goal scoring chance. We've had this argument before. We're having it again. How can we have argued before about an incident that happened today ?
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 30, 2011 17:32:23 GMT
We've had this argument before. We're having it again. How can we have argued before about an incident that happened today ? Because baldy in the true platonic sense there are no new ideas. This incident happened today, and it happened a while back, at which time a heated and equally incoherent argument was put forward by your good self.
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Post by baldy on Jan 30, 2011 17:39:52 GMT
We're having it again. How can we have argued before about an incident that happened today ? Because baldy in the true platonic sense there are no new ideas. This incident happened today, and it happened a while back, at which time a heated and equally incoherent argument was put forward by your good self. You may as well close this forum down then because pretty much ever debate has, of sorts, been done to death a number of times over.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 30, 2011 18:59:03 GMT
Because baldy in the true platonic sense there are no new ideas. This incident happened today, and it happened a while back, at which time a heated and equally incoherent argument was put forward by your good self. You may as well close this forum down then because pretty much ever debate has, of sorts, been done to death a number of times over. Fair enough, I'll have a chat with ESB! Which team's forum would you go to to plague them with your Man U drivel then?
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Post by moobs on Jan 30, 2011 19:05:52 GMT
You may as well close this forum down then because pretty much ever debate has, of sorts, been done to death a number of times over. Fair enough, I'll have a chat with ESB! Which team's forum would you go to to plague them with your Man U drivel then? Why you being so an*l? Sleeping on the sofa or something?
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 30, 2011 19:30:33 GMT
Fair enough, I'll have a chat with ESB! Which team's forum would you go to to plague them with your Man U drivel then? Why you being so an*l? Sleeping on the sofa or something? look who's talking...
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Post by tonyw on Jan 30, 2011 21:53:14 GMT
It was a really, really odd decision.
There's only two ways a logical ref can go in that instance..... 1) Penalty & Red Card 2) Play On.
If you send off Squillachi (sp?) for his foul (fair enough), then you simply have to send off the Huddersfield defender for a last man foul twenty yards closer to the goal. That the ref didn't implies that he wasn't sure - in which case, you shouldn't be giving the pen in the first place. Looked to me like classic big game/big team/big ground bias.
As for Fabregas - Big Surprise: Premiership player acting like a t*at. Rio actually went up quite a lot in my estimation after berating Rafael for doing likewise. I'd love to see more players do the same, but alas the game - at the top level, at least - still seems to be headed in the opposite direction.....
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Post by longliveclarkey on Jan 30, 2011 23:08:48 GMT
I believe you condemn them for it, will you do it for Fabregas too? Apologies if you don't, but you've got to treat it equally for every team. I'll condemn them all Clarkey. Didn't see the Fabregas incident as I was dropping the wife at work so missed the last 5-10 mins of the game. If Fabregas has done something/cheated/ whatever, I'll condemn him. There is cheating at every club. Diving/trying to get opponents sent off/feigning injury/chasing refs. I can see it at every club. Sadly there are plenty who post on here with agendas who won't see it in their own teams players, and will only condemn players from their opponents. Excellent to hear I can't argue with your stance on that. Unfortunately I'm not sure I could say the same if an oxford player cheated to win us a vital penalty. I'd like to think I'd take the moral high ground, but right now if someone said Beano would dive to get us a penalty that, if scored, would get us up into league one, I'd take it. Assuming Craddock took the penalty of course. Maybe that's the same sort of logic baldy applies concerning man u, I suppose it's vaguely justifiable if he really does support them as much as he seems to.
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Post by scotchegg on Jan 31, 2011 1:27:47 GMT
I don't think anyone would complain if a dodgy penalty was awarded to Oxford at any time, let alone in creating a goal to give us promotion. However, I think most would hope that whoever took the tumble would not make a habit of it!! Oxford has a reputation as a footballing team, and I'd rather lose one game than lose everything the club stands for.
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Post by junior1 on Jan 31, 2011 6:32:38 GMT
It was a really, really odd decision. There's only two ways a logical ref can go in that instance..... 1) Penalty & Red Card 2) Play On. If you send off Squillachi (sp?) for his foul (fair enough), then you simply have to send off the Huddersfield defender for a last man foul twenty yards closer to the goal. That the ref didn't implies that he wasn't sure - in which case, you shouldn't be giving the pen in the first place. Looked to me like classic big game/big team/big ground bias. As for Fabregas - Big Surprise: Premiership player acting like a t*at. Rio actually went up quite a lot in my estimation after berating Rafael for doing likewise. I'd love to see more players do the same, but alas the game - at the top level, at least - still seems to be headed in the opposite direction..... Good post that ^^^^
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Post by baldy on Jan 31, 2011 8:13:11 GMT
It was a really, really odd decision. There's only two ways a logical ref can go in that instance..... 1) Penalty & Red Card 2) Play On. If you send off Squillachi (sp?) for his foul (fair enough), then you simply have to send off the Huddersfield defender for a last man foul twenty yards closer to the goal. That the ref didn't implies that he wasn't sure - in which case, you shouldn't be giving the pen in the first place. Looked to me like classic big game/big team/big ground bias. As for Fabregas - Big Surprise: Premiership player acting like a t*at. Rio actually went up quite a lot in my estimation after berating Rafael for doing likewise. I'd love to see more players do the same, but alas the game - at the top level, at least - still seems to be headed in the opposite direction..... Like I said earlier it is all to do with whether the fouled player has the ball in his possession and under control. You couldn't have been sure Bendtner would even make contact let alone score. Also it wasn't a blatant, cynical foul that deliberately stopped a goal scoring chance. If there was a foul then it was the result of a collision as opposed to clear intent. Not every penalty awarded has to result in a red card. The referee got it right.
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Post by sihath on Jan 31, 2011 8:26:02 GMT
It was a really, really odd decision. There's only two ways a logical ref can go in that instance..... 1) Penalty & Red Card 2) Play On. If you send off Squillachi (sp?) for his foul (fair enough), then you simply have to send off the Huddersfield defender for a last man foul twenty yards closer to the goal. That the ref didn't implies that he wasn't sure - in which case, you shouldn't be giving the pen in the first place. Looked to me like classic big game/big team/big ground bias. As for Fabregas - Big Surprise: Premiership player acting like a t*at. Rio actually went up quite a lot in my estimation after berating Rafael for doing likewise. I'd love to see more players do the same, but alas the game - at the top level, at least - still seems to be headed in the opposite direction..... Like I said earlier it is all to do with whether the fouled player has the ball in his possession and under control. You couldn't have been sure Bendtner would even make contact let alone score. Also it wasn't a blatant, cynical foul that deliberately stopped a goal scoring chance. If there was a foul then it was the result of a collision as opposed to clear intent. Not every penalty awarded has to result in a red card. The referee got it right. The laws of the game don't agree with you. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misconduct_%28association_football%29#Sending-off_offences_.28red_card.29
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Post by sihath on Jan 31, 2011 8:35:42 GMT
I'll condemn them all Clarkey. Didn't see the Fabregas incident as I was dropping the wife at work so missed the last 5-10 mins of the game. If Fabregas has done something/cheated/ whatever, I'll condemn him. There is cheating at every club. Diving/trying to get opponents sent off/feigning injury/chasing refs. I can see it at every club. Sadly there are plenty who post on here with agendas who won't see it in their own teams players, and will only condemn players from their opponents. Excellent to hear I can't argue with your stance on that. Unfortunately I'm not sure I could say the same if an oxford player cheated to win us a vital penalty. I'd like to think I'd take the moral high ground, but right now if someone said Beano would dive to get us a penalty that, if scored, would get us up into league one, I'd take it. Assuming Craddock took the penalty of course. Maybe that's the same sort of logic baldy applies concerning man u, I suppose it's vaguely justifiable if he really does support them as much as he seems to. Of course Oxford players never cheat (I wouldn't agree with anyone who says they do!!) Bu then I admit to being completely blinkered when it comes to my team!
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Post by moobs on Jan 31, 2011 9:47:26 GMT
It was a really, really odd decision. There's only two ways a logical ref can go in that instance..... 1) Penalty & Red Card 2) Play On. If you send off Squillachi (sp?) for his foul (fair enough), then you simply have to send off the Huddersfield defender for a last man foul twenty yards closer to the goal. That the ref didn't implies that he wasn't sure - in which case, you shouldn't be giving the pen in the first place. Looked to me like classic big game/big team/big ground bias. As for Fabregas - Big Surprise: Premiership player acting like a t*at. Rio actually went up quite a lot in my estimation after berating Rafael for doing likewise. I'd love to see more players do the same, but alas the game - at the top level, at least - still seems to be headed in the opposite direction..... Like I said earlier it is all to do with whether the fouled player has the ball in his possession and under control. You couldn't have been sure Bendtner would even make contact let alone score. Also it wasn't a blatant, cynical foul that deliberately stopped a goal scoring chance. If there was a foul then it was the result of a collision as opposed to clear intent. Not every penalty awarded has to result in a red card. The referee got it right. He was the last defender so he should have went. Bendtner would have had a one on one with the keeper. Doesn't really matter anymore
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 10:07:22 GMT
I can't believe many people REALLY think refs favour Man Utd. Its one of those things which becomes a bit of a joke.
I suppose if anything it could work the other way. I mean if you were a ref and there was a possible penalty at Old Trafford what would you do? Wouldn't you be tempted to not give it, for fear of being accused of giving Man Utd a dodgy pen?
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Post by moobs on Jan 31, 2011 10:37:26 GMT
I can't believe many people REALLY think refs favour Man Utd. Its one of those things which becomes a bit of a joke. I suppose if anything it could work the other way. I mean if you were a ref and there was a possible penalty at Old Trafford what would you do? Wouldn't you be tempted to not give it, for fear of being accused of giving Man Utd a dodgy pen? Look at Nevilles cynical foul at West Brom and the foul at Blackpool, both blatent penalties not given against Man Utd, then look at Berbatovs pathetic dive v Liverpool. Those 2 penalties which were not given against Man Utd, if it was at Old Trafford and for Man Utd you can bet your mortgage they would be given. and you only have to look at the body language of some refs like Webb, he was itching to give them something, he made his mind up before he walked on the pitch....
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