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Post by CheltenhamYellow on Jun 20, 2017 22:02:02 GMT
And perhaps his statement thanking DE for his support may quash a few of those ill-advised vitriolic comments from some on this forum. Oh dear! Someone wants to squash debate. Not debate - just the unnecessary and nasty slagging off of a man who's doing a great job. Whether you think that's true or not, lay off the hate-language.
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Post by londonroader on Jun 20, 2017 22:03:18 GMT
Yes Pete, don't log on if you don't like what you read, this place is tame compared with a few other forums,. Good or bad it's here for all of us to use as long as no rules are broken. Different opinions are fine LR, but this poster has done nothing else recently but bleat on about how unfair 'some posters' are being to Mr Eales. He needs to read a bit more, understand a bit more and come to an informed opinion. Oh, and grow some balls. I think the statements made by the club show how thin skinned individuals are, why do they give a f#ck what's said on here, they have plenty of followers to argue their side so what's the problem, it's all about opinion.
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Post by daveoufc on Jun 20, 2017 22:04:13 GMT
I echo all of the thanks to MAPP. We have played some fantastic football in the past couple of years. Loads and loads of memories and some players I have really enjoyed watching. And to be honest a manager that I felt we could be proud of. No chippyness. No Rostler style haranguing of the forth official, no DiCanio histrionics. Just a decent man who clearly was an excellent man manager and excellent coach. His football teams always played football the right way. Totally agree with your last point re a manager to be proud of. The man management is what we'll miss the most, I think. I was proud of the way he conducted himself and how his teams represented our club with style of play and kept their discipline. I think we will miss his player development sales and cup run cash the most though. I still dont think his man management was all that good he fell out with a lot of players along the way during his time here. And as for doubting if he could tell untruths in his leaving statement he was always very savy with his comments in the media hes supposed to be on holiday all month with his phone off remember.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jun 20, 2017 22:04:28 GMT
Oh dear! Someone wants to squash debate. Not debate - just the unnecessary and nasty slagging off of a man who's doing a great job. Whether you think that's true or not, lay off the hate-language. Please point out where I've used 'hate language'. Your comment about Mr Eales doing a 'great job' is entirely subjective. I'm suggesting you read and understand what's been happening around the club for the past six months rather than simply using sycophantic sound bites.
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Post by adykitch on Jun 20, 2017 22:04:45 GMT
" The king is Dead " " Long live the King !! "
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Post by CheltenhamYellow on Jun 20, 2017 22:05:55 GMT
Yes Pete, don't log on if you don't like what you read, this place is tame compared with a few other forums,. Good or bad it's here for all of us to use as long as no rules are broken. Different opinions are fine LR, but this poster has done nothing else recently but bleat on about how unfair 'some posters' are being to Mr Eales. He needs to read a bit more, understand a bit more and come to an informed opinion. Oh, and grow some balls. That very articulate and reasonable statement from Eales really didn't suit your agenda, did it?
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jun 20, 2017 22:08:00 GMT
Different opinions are fine LR, but this poster has done nothing else recently but bleat on about how unfair 'some posters' are being to Mr Eales. He needs to read a bit more, understand a bit more and come to an informed opinion. Oh, and grow some balls. That very articulate and reasonable statement from Eales really didn't suit your agenda, did it? I don't have an agenda. I judge what I read and hear over an extended period, then form my own opinion. Try it.
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Post by yellowgazza on Jun 20, 2017 22:10:26 GMT
THANK YOU Mr Appleton it's. been the best few years for a very long time GOOD LUCK for the future, hopefully we will meet again
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Post by makv on Jun 20, 2017 22:17:10 GMT
Oh dear! Someone wants to squash debate. Yes Pete, don't log on if you don't like what you read, this place is tame compared with a few other forums,. Good or bad it's here for all of us to use as long as no rules are broken. Woooosh. It's been a while.
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Post by adykitch on Jun 20, 2017 22:22:51 GMT
Looking at the Foxes. Forum . Mapp is now a Coach Just out of interest can anybody name a Prem Coach or 2nd in command we would want as Manager ?
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Post by socrates on Jun 20, 2017 22:31:01 GMT
Looking at the Foxes. Forum . Mapp is now a Coach Just out of interest can anybody name a Prem Coach or 2nd in command we would want as Manager ? Couldn't name a single one. And I think most football fans would really struggle to come up with more than 3 or 4. Which says a lot doesn't it about Mr Appleton's decision. If the statements is to be believed (are!) then he really, genuinely thinks this is a great move for him. Ha. Nothing beats being top dog. While there is plenty to dislike about being someone's pooch. I really thought he was much smarter than this and had learned his lesson. Clearly not. Would be a terrible shame if he didn't live up to his potential but there seems to be something self-destructive about him. A psychiatrist would have a field day linking his career-ending injury to the way he has hopped about in management.
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Post by taffyewe on Jun 20, 2017 22:36:30 GMT
Totally agree with your last point re a manager to be proud of. The man management is what we'll miss the most, I think. I was proud of the way he conducted himself and how his teams represented our club with style of play and kept their discipline. I think we will miss his player development sales and cup run cash the most though. I still dont think his man management was all that good he fell out with a lot of players along the way during his time here. And as for doubting if he could tell untruths in his leaving statement he was always very savy with his comments in the media hes supposed to be on holiday all month with his phone off remember. good summary. Still think he was only part way through our project. Feel a bit let down to be honest by him as he has not seen this through. As others have alluded to, most of us were annoyed with COD, but he was only 21. Appy is twice his age and has gone against his own advice effectively. In addition, he has gone back to the role that he was in, however many years ago. He has made huge career mistakes by going to 3 clubs in serious trouble. Does the guy never learn, because LCFC is doomed to failure under Shakespeare. If Shakespeare is fired, then Appy goes, 100% no doubt. Where does that leave him career wise? He would have to start again, but where? Premier league, no way. Championship, maybe but unlikely one of the big guns, which means he drops back to L1 level most likely and has to start again. The difference is of course, that it would take 12 months to properly impose himself and how many chairmen have that patience nowadays. There were serious calls for his sacking by January of his 1st season remember. Darryl stuck by him when most would have buckled. Would he get chance to build what he has done here? Financially he will be ok, but this is not about the money, this is a 'career choice'.......but not a wise one!
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Post by uptheus on Jun 20, 2017 22:58:23 GMT
And perhaps his statement thanking DE for his support may quash a few of those ill-advised vitriolic comments from some on this forum. Let's hope so. Why would Appleton say that if he's out of the door with nothing to gain? Thanks MApp. Here's to the future, I'm sure it will be bright. Because there's no need to burn bridges. What if MApp had left because he didn't have a top six budget? How would that have made him look? I think he left because he didn't feel the club met his ambition for one reason or another. That might have been budget, transfer windows, stadium, training ground, youth development, etc etc, but we'll probably never know the real reason.
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Post by adykitch on Jun 20, 2017 23:00:32 GMT
I have to agree Mapp really has made some very bad choices In his career . Now matter how is look at it he has bailed out for a £500000 a year contract with a very unproven manager in Prem club that for 3 quarters of last season was going down The quality players from Prem winning season have all gone To top clubs . And Mapps Strength is bringing young players on So you have to wonder how he will deal with Prem Players . But most importantly he is now in a club where the Directors Will pull the trigger very quickly . And just to put more pressure on they play Arsenal Man U Chelsea and Liverpool in the 1st 6 weeks if they don't get results at home Brighton and away at Huddersfield he could be out of a job by late Sept
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Post by uptheus on Jun 20, 2017 23:13:11 GMT
I have to agree Mapp really has made some very bad choices In his career . Now matter how is look at it he has bailed out for a £500000 a year contract with a very unproven manager in Prem club that for 3 quarters of last season was going down The quality players from Prem winning season have all gone To top clubs . And Mapps Strength is bringing young players on So you have to wonder how he will deal with Prem Players . But most importantly he is now in a club where the Directors Will pull the trigger very quickly . And just to put more pressure on they play Arsenal Man U Chelsea and Liverpool in the 1st 6 weeks if they don't get results at home Brighton and away at Huddersfield he could be out of a job by late Sept But £2m better off! Agree with a lot you've said though.
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Post by ian on Jun 20, 2017 23:35:41 GMT
MAPP's gone and signed a contract that will earn him a minimum of £500,000, but probably £1.5m. With these figures on offer, who would care about their longer-term career? Should the Leicester job not work out, MAPP has achieved so much in the past 3 years, that anther job will present itself.
He's been an excellent manager for the past 3 years and drastically changed Oxford United! The team of coaches and scouts around him remain and we await a new appointment...
It seems that MAPP was offered the job on Thursday of last week, accepted on the Friday, compensation was sorted out by Monday, and then MAPP, Eales and the reremaining coaching staff spent today discussing the future direction of the club... MAPP worked to the end of Tuesday, when the official announcement was made. This suggests that MAPP was happy, and the parting was amicable.
It may be that a new manager/head coach has been identified and approached already. I'm sure that at the very least, there will be a short-list of people drawn up already. Someone that Derek Fazackerley, Chris Allen, Wayne Brown, Mark Thomas and Craig Dean can work with.
It's sad that MAPP has gone, but there is so much potential, and so much to look forward to. The next 6 weeks will be fascinating. Perhaps this week, or next the new coach will arrive - along with a few more players. Shame about Lindsay.
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Post by makv on Jun 21, 2017 0:36:24 GMT
Looking at the Foxes. Forum . Mapp is now a Coach Just out of interest can anybody name a Prem Coach or 2nd in command we would want as Manager ? Couldn't name a single one. And I think most football fans would really struggle to come up with more than 3 or 4. Which says a lot doesn't it about Mr Appleton's decision. If the statements is to be believed (are!) then he really, genuinely thinks this is a great move for him. Ha. Nothing beats being top dog. While there is plenty to dislike about being someone's pooch. I really thought he was much smarter than this and had learned his lesson. Clearly not. Would be a terrible shame if he didn't live up to his potential but there seems to be something self-destructive about him. A psychiatrist would have a field day linking his career-ending injury to the way he has hopped about in management. Bitter much?
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Post by KLYellow on Jun 21, 2017 2:27:55 GMT
Thanks for the memories and good times MAPP, you will always be a legend in my eyes.
And totally understand you wanting to go to Leicester and Eales for not standing in your way.
We are Oxford, always had ups and downs, but we will consolidate and hopefully continue upwards.
Let's kick on.
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Post by milburn on Jun 21, 2017 3:23:40 GMT
Looking at the Foxes. Forum . Mapp is now a Coach Just out of interest can anybody name a Prem Coach or 2nd in command we would want as Manager ? Davey Kemp?
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Post by ricey on Jun 21, 2017 7:20:55 GMT
How much compensation did we get for Mapp?
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Post by gorilla on Jun 21, 2017 7:30:13 GMT
I'm sure we all knew this day was coming, MAPP was destined for bigger and better things, much like a lot of the players that we have seen here during his time as manager.
Question is, is being number 2 at Leicester bigger and better, only time will tell. I think I said in a post yesterday that I still think he will be manager of a Prem or high profile Championship team within 18 months.
Anyways good luck MAPP, and thank you for three years of entertaining football, for building a team that we can be proud of, for the promotion, for days out at Wembley, for beating the scum from down the road (on the pitch and in the tunnel!!) Wherever your career goes from here, you will always be remembered fondly by us Oxford fans.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 21, 2017 8:03:10 GMT
Oh dear! Someone wants to squash debate. Not debate - just the unnecessary and nasty slagging off of a man who's doing a great job. Whether you think that's true or not, lay off the hate-language. Use of the present tense in that first sentence is purely opinion and a matter for legitimate discussion, if you care about the club. Pete Burrett and 'hate language'? That feller's an old luvvie who couldn't hate hos way out of a paper bag. If you want hate language go on twitter, there's none here.
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Post by jabba on Jun 21, 2017 8:05:06 GMT
I just want to add that the last three years have seen me go from long time exile to wanting to travel to Oxford and the rest of the country to watch us play. Very entertaining style and a pleasure to watch fast paced, flowing football. Thank you MApp - you will be missed.
That said, there is work to do so let's get a new manager in and kick this league with the legacy MApp leaves behind.
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Post by thegrumpyporter on Jun 21, 2017 8:45:06 GMT
Di he actually win any silverware while he was here?
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Post by KristapsGrebis on Jun 21, 2017 8:46:43 GMT
Di he actually win any silverware while he was here? Think he won Oxford's manager of the season a few times.
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Post by whitstablexile on Jun 21, 2017 8:55:13 GMT
I'm very grateful to MApp for the last few years. It's been a great time to be an Oxford supporter. Promotions, cup finals, exciting young players, giant killings, crushing swindun into the dirt. What's not to like? I'm sure he will always be welcome at the club and he has made the club attractive to new players and staff. His departure is a loss, no doubt.
That said, the only constant is change! And it's how you view it that makes a difference. Being totally honest, I'm quite excited for the future as we now how a chance to recruit someone with perhaps a little more tactical matchday experience (an area that I think MApp is still developing).
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Post by malcolmnl on Jun 21, 2017 10:16:05 GMT
So MAPP has gone. It was inevitable as we have had one of the best managers ever. apart from some possibly strange decisions in the first few months of his tenure we have seen nothong but exciting football and some fantastic players. I wish him the very best for the future and hope that he is proud to have Oxford on his CV. Thank you MAPP for everything you have done for OUFC.
Now a thought about going to be the number 2 instead of #1. Are you sitting comfortably, I'm going to tell you a little story.
Many years ago I had a great career in the early days of computing. Because I was (trying not to boast here) technically very good at my job I had very quick promotions through the ranks until I arrived at the position of manager. As I feared, being a manager frightened the hell out of me. Too much elbow work from other departmental managers just looking after themselves and not working for the good of the company ( a very large employer in Oxford now unfortunately gone). This attitude frightened me and made me very angry at times.
Eventually I quit the post and started in another, completely different, trade. But after 3 years I was approached by the old company to return as the department number 2. Because the money was much better than what I was earning I accepted with crossed fingers. This turned out to be a wise move. I then spent the rest of my working life as number 2 for various companies in the UK and Holland. And I can honestly say that being a number 2 was very good. No problems with managers of other departments and much respect from the teams under me.
Now MAPP is #2 on very good money in his new job but with much less hassle. Maybe, just maybe, this also played a roll in his decision. He has stated that he is very ambitious and I'm sure he will go on to be a top manager (unlike me). But just taking a step backwards in my career did not harm me at all, maybe he had similar thoughts.
Boring life history I know, but this thought has been in my head since the Leicester rumours started and I just have to get it off my chest.
Please feel free to criticise this but remember it's just my take on things.
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Post by Bue Guado on Jun 21, 2017 10:29:52 GMT
The fact that both MApp and DE referred to rumours in their statements is a bit odd. I mean MApp hardly seems to be the sort of guy to scroll through twitter and forums to gage fans' speculation while he's busy negotiating a move to Leicester.
So was there some communication regarding rumours between the two prior to the press release? - Probably. Does this make their statements any less true? - I'll leave that to the tin-foil hat brigade...
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Post by oxfordyankee on Jun 22, 2017 20:21:11 GMT
Do you, dear reader, not find it unusual that Michael Appleton, a man with whom we developed a special bond, a man whose only success in his managerial career came while with us, has not yet surfaced to speak to Rad Ox or the Ox Mail? Surely, we should have been treated to his emotion laden farewell by now.
I find it very strange. Very strange, indeed.
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Post by notaswindonfan on Jun 22, 2017 20:36:02 GMT
So MAPP has gone. It was inevitable as we have had one of the best managers ever. apart from some possibly strange decisions in the first few months of his tenure we have seen nothong but exciting football and some fantastic players. I wish him the very best for the future and hope that he is proud to have Oxford on his CV. Thank you MAPP for everything you have done for OUFC. Now a thought about going to be the number 2 instead of #1. Are you sitting comfortably, I'm going to tell you a little story. Many years ago I had a great career in the early days of computing. Because I was (trying not to boast here) technically very good at my job I had very quick promotions through the ranks until I arrived at the position of manager. As I feared, being a manager frightened the hell out of me. Too much elbow work from other departmental managers just looking after themselves and not working for the good of the company ( a very large employer in Oxford now unfortunately gone). This attitude frightened me and made me very angry at times. Eventually I quit the post and started in another, completely different, trade. But after 3 years I was approached by the old company to return as the department number 2. Because the money was much better than what I was earning I accepted with crossed fingers. This turned out to be a wise move. I then spent the rest of my working life as number 2 for various companies in the UK and Holland. And I can honestly say that being a number 2 was very good. No problems with managers of other departments and much respect from the teams under me. Now MAPP is #2 on very good money in his new job but with much less hassle. Maybe, just maybe, this also played a roll in his decision. He has stated that he is very ambitious and I'm sure he will go on to be a top manager (unlike me). But just taking a step backwards in my career did not harm me at all, maybe he had similar thoughts. Boring life history I know, but this thought has been in my head since the Leicester rumours started and I just have to get it off my chest. Please feel free to criticise this but remember it's just my take on things. Think you need counselling
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