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BMW
May 17, 2017 16:40:40 GMT
Post by themightyaldo on May 17, 2017 16:40:40 GMT
It looks increasingly likely that BMW will move out of Oxford when we come out of Europe.If that is to be the case should we be looking to purchase some of the land and build a stadium there. I believe some of the land will have the new sports complex on it anyway. Its a long shot a the moment but I can't see them hanging around if Brexit talks go badly.They will have plans drawn up already and with these strikes going ahead the UK may not look so attractive.
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BMW
May 17, 2017 17:15:07 GMT
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Post by headingtonutd on May 17, 2017 17:15:07 GMT
It looks increasingly likely that BMW will move out of Oxford when we come out of Europe.If that is to be the case should we be looking to purchase some of the land and build a stadium there. I believe some of the land will have the new sports complex on it anyway. Its a long shot a the moment but I can't see them hanging around if Brexit talks go badly.They will have plans drawn up already and with these strikes going ahead the UK may not look so attractive. A bit of a leap to say increasing likely I think. As far as I read the situation BMW, like nearly every other large company with a vested interest, are strengthening their negotiation position with the government and local council by letting it know they could leave. Actually they, like everyone else, know that nothing will really be known for five years, probably much longer. At the same time they are hinting at movement they are looking at expansion too. If we are looking for alternative sites i'd think (and hope, for the sake of the local economy and workforce) we'd have a long, long wait. I also think we could find better spots.
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Post by Mark on May 17, 2017 17:36:38 GMT
BMW have already said they are looking at where to build an electric mini and unbelievably the car workers have been going on strike ! I'd have thought if your employer was seriously thinking of moving production back to mainland Europe following brexit, the last thing you'd do is go on strike.
Anyway I doubt OCC would want prime land like that wasted on a football stadium when they can sell it for yet another science : business park etc.
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BMW
May 17, 2017 18:17:16 GMT
Post by themightyaldo on May 17, 2017 18:17:16 GMT
BMW have already said they are looking at where to build an electric mini and unbelievably the car workers have been going on strike ! I'd have thought if your employer was seriously thinking of moving production back to mainland Europe following brexit, the last thing you'd do is go on strike. Anyway I doubt OCC would want prime land like that wasted on a football stadium when they can sell it for yet another science : business park etc. I agree that OCC would use it for a Science Park but a lot of the area adjacent to Horspath Road which is where the new sports complex is to be located would be ideal for a new stadium.
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BMW
May 17, 2017 19:03:58 GMT
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Post by holdsteady on May 17, 2017 19:03:58 GMT
BMW have already said they are looking at where to build an electric mini and unbelievably the car workers have been going on strike ! I'd have thought if your employer was seriously thinking of moving production back to mainland Europe following brexit, the last thing you'd do is go on strike. Anyway I doubt OCC would want prime land like that wasted on a football stadium when they can sell it for yet another science : business park etc. Not much point going on strike after they have shut down is there? They have built a model abroad before, it didn't affect Cowley, plus it doesn't have the capacity to build every variant of the mini. It's not like electric cars are big sellers, and they won't be for years yet as both the technology in the actual cars and the infrastructure needed is still along way from being able to support mass use, so using that as reason not to strike would be a sign of weakness from a union and workforce trying to salvage the best pension deal it can. BMW (and other large companies) threaten to move abroad on a monthly basis, they are always trying to get the best deal and influence policy of governments and councils, they are building a new press shop which probably tells you more than their words. Personally I would rather the factory stayed there and we built a ground somewhere else, not certain losing 4,000 jobs out of the local economy would be helpful to Oxford United, ignoring the wider issue of its a bit shitty to be talking about this when plenty on here will be affected in some way.
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Post by oufcyellows on May 17, 2017 19:06:52 GMT
The up coming strikes have been postponed as BMW has offered a better deal to the union. They must have spent a fortune on that site, can't see them moving unless things get really really bad
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Post by Mark on May 17, 2017 19:18:36 GMT
BMW have already said they are looking at where to build an electric mini and unbelievably the car workers have been going on strike ! I'd have thought if your employer was seriously thinking of moving production back to mainland Europe following brexit, the last thing you'd do is go on strike. Anyway I doubt OCC would want prime land like that wasted on a football stadium when they can sell it for yet another science : business park etc. Not much point going on strike after they have shut down is there? They have built a model abroad before, it didn't affect Cowley, plus it doesn't have the capacity to build every variant of the mini. It's not like electric cars are big sellers, and they won't be for years yet as both the technology in the actual cars and the infrastructure needed is still along way from being able to support mass use, so using that as reason not to strike would be a sign of weakness from a union and workforce trying to salvage the best pension deal it can. BMW (and other large companies) threaten to move abroad on a monthly basis, they are always trying to get the best deal and influence policy of governments and councils, they are building a new press shop which probably tells you more than their words. Personally I would rather the factory stayed there and we built a ground somewhere else, not certain losing 4,000 jobs out of the local economy would be helpful to Oxford United, ignoring the wider issue of its a bit shitty to be talking about this when plenty on here will be affected in some way. I know a lot of people (oxford fans) will be affected if BMW pull out of the mini plant in Cowley. Not just workers , but the support industries , house prices , local shops etc. But hell, the country has voted Brexit and see how we get on. I imagine oxford university and Oxfordshire as a wider science based community rather than straight forward manufacturing will see European funding disappear. Still , at least people on the line on gold played final salary pensions get to strike for "their" rights.
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Post by oldham on May 17, 2017 20:07:32 GMT
The up coming strikes have been postponed as BMW has offered a better deal to the union. They must have spent a fortune on that site, can't see them moving unless things get really really bad The Paint Shop alone cost £80 million and that was before they put all the new machinery etc in there.
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Post by Mark on May 17, 2017 20:10:28 GMT
The up coming strikes have been postponed as BMW has offered a better deal to the union. They must have spent a fortune on that site, can't see them moving unless things get really really bad The Paint Shop alone cost £80 million and that was before they put all the new machinery etc in there. Well that relies on a deal. So uk bending over backwards for one job deal.
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Post by bigronaldo on May 17, 2017 21:48:25 GMT
If BMW decided to upsticks It would also mean that the very ethos of the mini would be lost. The major selling point for the mini is the fact that it is an icon of Britishness all over the world. Building it anywhere else would completely undermine its heritage and bmws standing too.
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BMW
May 17, 2017 22:00:27 GMT
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Post by headingtonutd on May 17, 2017 22:00:27 GMT
If BMW decided to upsticks It would also mean that the very ethos of the mini would be lost. The major selling point for the mini is the fact that it is an icon of Britishness all over the world. Building it anywhere else would completely undermine its heritage and bmws standing too. I think the convertibles are built in Holland and most of the parts for the main lines are shipped in for assembly here (I'm sure some BMW guys will correct me if i'm wrong) but yes I agree I think BMW like the branding and identity here but as the new shape is so established it has become less of an issue I imagine.
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Post by neville60 on May 18, 2017 0:47:07 GMT
Bring back the Triumph Spitfire 😊
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Post by oufcgav on May 18, 2017 13:15:01 GMT
Mini also had some production in Austria before, but BMW needed the plant for a different model so it was also moved to Netherlands. Think there was also a plan for Mexico at one stage.
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Post by cj on May 18, 2017 13:22:59 GMT
Anyone else think BMW drivers are a law unto themselves?
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BMW
May 18, 2017 14:25:19 GMT
Post by daytripper on May 18, 2017 14:25:19 GMT
BMW have already said they are looking at where to build an electric mini and unbelievably the car workers have been going on strike ! I'd have thought if your employer was seriously thinking of moving production back to mainland Europe following brexit, the last thing you'd do is go on strike. Anyway I doubt OCC would want prime land like that wasted on a football stadium when they can sell it for yet another science : business park etc. Not much point going on strike after they have shut down is there? They have built a model abroad before, it didn't affect Cowley, plus it doesn't have the capacity to build every variant of the mini. It's not like electric cars are big sellers, and they won't be for years yet as both the technology in the actual cars and the infrastructure needed is still along way from being able to support mass use, so using that as reason not to strike would be a sign of weakness from a union and workforce trying to salvage the best pension deal it can. BMW (and other large companies) threaten to move abroad on a monthly basis, they are always trying to get the best deal and influence policy of governments and councils, they are building a new press shop which probably tells you more than their words. Personally I would rather the factory stayed there and we built a ground somewhere else, not certain losing 4,000 jobs out of the local economy would be helpful to Oxford United, ignoring the wider issue of its a bit shitty to be talking about this when plenty on here will be affected in some way. Oxford will start to be a zero emissions zone in 2020. If Mini are not producing an electric or hybrid version in the city by that date a car built in Oxford that is not allowed in the zero emissions zone will be a huge PR disaster
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BMW
May 18, 2017 18:20:31 GMT
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Post by holdsteady on May 18, 2017 18:20:31 GMT
Not much point going on strike after they have shut down is there? They have built a model abroad before, it didn't affect Cowley, plus it doesn't have the capacity to build every variant of the mini. It's not like electric cars are big sellers, and they won't be for years yet as both the technology in the actual cars and the infrastructure needed is still along way from being able to support mass use, so using that as reason not to strike would be a sign of weakness from a union and workforce trying to salvage the best pension deal it can. BMW (and other large companies) threaten to move abroad on a monthly basis, they are always trying to get the best deal and influence policy of governments and councils, they are building a new press shop which probably tells you more than their words. Personally I would rather the factory stayed there and we built a ground somewhere else, not certain losing 4,000 jobs out of the local economy would be helpful to Oxford United, ignoring the wider issue of its a bit shitty to be talking about this when plenty on here will be affected in some way. Oxford will start to be a zero emissions zone in 2020. If Mini are not producing an electric or hybrid version in the city by that date a car built in Oxford that is not allowed in the zero emissions zone will be a huge PR disaster Oxford will follow the rest of the country apart from a token gesture in the centre, which is a whole 3 streets. The technology is miles behind, in 2020 every one will still be driving a petrol/diesel car.
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Post by jambon46 on May 18, 2017 21:00:26 GMT
we arew Europe.If that is to be the case should we be looking to purchase some of the land and build a stadium there. I believe some of the land will have the new sports complex on it anyway. Its a long shot a the moment but I can't see them hanging around if Brexit talks go badly.They will have plans drawn up already and with these strikes going ahead the UK may not look so attractive. Really? I think the amount of investment they have made at Cowley is a long term deal, regardless whether we are in the EU or not.
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Post by rickyotto on May 20, 2017 21:50:26 GMT
Anyone else think BMW drivers are a law unto themselves? Like gypsies in Grove? *sits back with popcorn*
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Post by Bue Guado on May 22, 2017 9:28:20 GMT
Bring back the Triumph Spitfire 😊 A true beaut of a car! My mate Pete bought one last summer. Red, and named Ronnie after it's 147 numberplate. We went on an week-long roadtrip of to North on the last week of August. Never have I felt closer to the tarmac, and driving alongside lorries is f*cking terrifying, so we spent the time almost entirely on country lanes. Only had one problem when we half-ran into a ditch in the peak district, with no phone signal to call for help, but we just about managed to get it out unscathed. Drove past Wetwang, so we're considering doing a "rude name" tour at some point this summer.
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Post by behindthegoal on May 25, 2017 12:53:50 GMT
Anyone else think BMW drivers are a law unto themselves? Like gypsies in Grove? *sits back with popcorn* You get through a lot of popcorn
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Post by KLYellow on Oct 12, 2017 3:28:20 GMT
Reports in Bloomberg are stating BMW are in talks with Great Wall Motors of China to outsource manufacturing of Mini's to China.
Bye bye Cowley?
Sent from my XIAOMI NOTE PRO using telepathy
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BMW
Oct 12, 2017 5:49:17 GMT
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Post by oldham on Oct 12, 2017 5:49:17 GMT
They won’t leave Oxford they’ve invested too much into it. They were talking about China ten years ago, it would be cheaper to build the Minis to be sold in Asia over there rather than build them here and then ship them over there.
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Post by Eaststandboy on Oct 12, 2017 5:52:54 GMT
Reports in Bloomberg are stating BMW are in talks with Great Wall Motors of China to outsource manufacturing of Mini's to China. Bye bye Cowley? Sent from my XIAOMI NOTE PRO using telepathy But they said they will produce the electric mini here?
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BMW
Oct 12, 2017 8:46:59 GMT
Post by scotters on Oct 12, 2017 8:46:59 GMT
Reports in Bloomberg are stating BMW are in talks with Great Wall Motors of China to outsource manufacturing of Mini's to China. Bye bye Cowley? Sent from my XIAOMI NOTE PRO using telepathy But they said they will produce the electric mini here? With a no-deal Brexit looking more likely, maybe they are trying to shield themselves? "BMW's German chairman warns car firm's new electric Mini might not be built in UK without post-Brexit free trade deal" www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4892958/BMW-s-Mini-threat-event-hard-Brexit.html
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BMW
Oct 12, 2017 9:06:16 GMT
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Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 12, 2017 9:06:16 GMT
The chairman's bluffing. We've been reliably informed by several posters on here that the whole world will be desperately beating a path to our door to do deals with us once we leave the EU. It wouldn't make sense for BMW to pull out when we're so, errr, close to agreeing Brexit terms. Never forget, we are GREAT Britain (and Northern Ireland). We're special. (Actually I feel somewhat guilty making light of this. Thousands of jobs could go.)
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BMW
Oct 12, 2017 9:16:39 GMT
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Post by ag on Oct 12, 2017 9:16:39 GMT
When the "good news" was trumpeted loudly on here a number of people pointed out that the BMW statement left plenty of wriggle room, and that though the electric Mini was going to be assembled Cowley the engine would no longer be manufactured in Britain.
It's very easy to change, and the investment is comparatively trivial when set against , say, the land value in Cowley of the closed factory..
BMW would not be the only people not telling the whole truth about Brexit
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BMW
Oct 12, 2017 12:07:21 GMT
Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 12, 2017 12:07:21 GMT
For the past 12 months we have been importing more from the EU economies than we have taken in. On top the of the usual contributions we make to be part of the club. Clearly the below highlights the need for both sides to do a good deal for each other. What's not clear is what we are buying and what we are exporting, and if we can buy cheaper elsewhere once we are not restricted by EU rules. www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/OverseasTradeStatistics/Pages/EU_and_Non-EU_Data.aspx
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Oct 12, 2017 13:51:25 GMT
Does it? It's only showing trade from UK's perspective. Your graph shows that UK exports ~50% of all output to EU countries. Conversely, the EU only exports 8-18% of goods & services to UK (depending on what method of calculation you use) fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/ This suggests that the UK needs a better deal than the EU...
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BMW
Oct 12, 2017 15:03:46 GMT
Post by toucan on Oct 12, 2017 15:03:46 GMT
It looks increasingly likely that BMW will move out of Oxford when we come out of Europe.If that is to be the case should we be looking to purchase some of the land and build a stadium there. I believe some of the land will have the new sports complex on it anyway. Its a long shot a the moment but I can't see them hanging around if Brexit talks go badly.They will have plans drawn up already and with these strikes going ahead the UK may not look so attractive. The UK is not leaving Europe but leaving the EU , there is a big difference. Are you aware of that?
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Post by foley on Oct 12, 2017 16:04:42 GMT
Does it? It's only showing trade from UK's perspective. Your graph shows that UK exports ~50% of all output to EU countries. Conversely, the EU only exports 8-18% of goods & services to UK (depending on what method of calculation you use) fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/ This suggests that the UK needs a better deal than the EU... I would have thought that it is stating the bleedin obvious that a trade deal would benefit all parties Germany sells loads of Mercs/ BMWs/ Audis/ VW to the UK, France agricultural products. We send millions of people on holiday to Spain/ Greece. We also sell significant amounts to the EU. No sensible country surely wouldn't want a decent trade deal....
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