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Post by rickyotto on May 12, 2017 13:48:32 GMT
I would ask the committee to lead a boycott of this tournament and be outspoken in their leadership.
It is sad that the club may suffer, especially as they supposedly voted the right way (we'll never know). However the extra game revenue provided by the tournament organizers means that marginal gate receipts will be irrelevant.
I would also ask Oxvox to link up with other supporters groups. There is clearly the hope of the gradual succumbing of this nonsense and their obsession against the fans wishes is clearly the preparation for scope creep of b teams into the league. Otherwise why workso hard to bribe clubs and take on such terrible PR. The EPL are forcing this as hard as possible with Harvey as puppet.
I never wish to watch my team play b teams with no fans. We may as well go back to the conference and watch farsley Celtic.
It might be worth taking a poll on fan thoughts here too.
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Post by ox4eva on May 12, 2017 15:48:20 GMT
Nobody is happy about this ruling, but a boycott will achieve nothing, the same as it did previously. The vote is done and its for two years no matter what and the club's that voted it through has stabbed lower league football in the back for a few extra quid.
Only way forward is for the club's that voted against it to refuse to take part!
There is also a thread about this on the matches page.
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Post by rickyotto on May 12, 2017 15:53:07 GMT
I know.
This was a specific thread to Oxvox to take action.
It is not an attack on Darryl Eales and I think it will be clear to him that it isn't.
Apathy will be Harvey's biggest ally.
The idea that a protest hasn't worked is a. Worrying b. Incorrect
For a start fans boycotting forced the EFl to increase the level of bribes and change some of the rules.
An increase in pressure will start to corner them into further concessions financially which is at least football socialism against the EPL, but hopefully start to build future antipathy and animosity to the very obvious mid term goal
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Post by Marked Ox on May 12, 2017 16:00:27 GMT
I know. This was a specific thread to Oxvox to take action. It is not an attack on Darryl Eales and I think it will be clear to him that it isn't. Apathy will be Harvey's biggest ally. The idea that a protest hasn't worked is a. Worrying b. Incorrect For a start fans boycotting forced the EFl to increase the level of bribes and change some of the rules. An increase in pressure will start to corner them into further concessions financially which is at least football socialism against the EPL, but hopefully start to build future antipathy and animosity to the very obvious mid term goal I'd agree with this as keeping the pressure on Harvey and co is essential imo.
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Post by oufcyellows on May 12, 2017 16:03:25 GMT
Play our group games at oxford city 😃
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Post by ox4eva on May 12, 2017 16:06:01 GMT
I know. This was a specific thread to Oxvox to take action. It is not an attack on Darryl Eales and I think it will be clear to him that it isn't. Apathy will be Harvey's biggest ally. The idea that a protest hasn't worked is a. Worrying b. Incorrect For a start fans boycotting forced the EFl to increase the level of bribes and change some of the rules. An increase in pressure will start to corner them into further concessions financially which is at least football socialism against the EPL, but hopefully start to build future antipathy and animosity to the very obvious mid term goal Sorry I was not sure you had seen the other thread, understand that something needs to be done but a boycott will mean nothing to the plastic premiership overlords who are controlling this! If a group of clubs refuse to take part in this would really create waves and be a major news story.
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Post by makv on May 12, 2017 16:12:23 GMT
How many threads do we need on this?
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Post by oufcyellows on May 12, 2017 16:22:49 GMT
How many threads do we need on this? Under 23
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Post by bigronaldo on May 12, 2017 16:27:48 GMT
I hope that we do our utmost to bow out of this trophy as early as possible in order to give promotion our best shot.
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Post by Mark on May 12, 2017 16:49:38 GMT
How many threads do we need on this? Under 23 Under 21 next season.
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Post by witney50 on May 12, 2017 19:39:59 GMT
do we really have to start this all over again... Boycotters please boycott but don't try and gather support again and again...its boring.
Those of us who want to watch will, the clubs finances will benefit and we will all be happy. I quite enjoyed the format actually, and you never know one of these under 23s may be the next skipper or striker for OUFC.
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Post by concretebob on May 12, 2017 19:47:43 GMT
do we really have to start this all over again... Boycotters please boycott but don't try and gather support again and again...its boring. Those of us who want to watch will, the clubs finances will benefit and we will all be happy. I quite enjoyed the format actually, and you never know one of these under 23s may be the next skipper or striker for OUFC. I wonder if you'll be so upbeat when a B team beats OUFC to promotion in 10 years time? Because that's the way it's going!
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Post by witney50 on May 12, 2017 20:04:51 GMT
do we really have to start this all over again... Boycotters please boycott but don't try and gather support again and again...its boring. Those of us who want to watch will, the clubs finances will benefit and we will all be happy. I quite enjoyed the format actually, and you never know one of these under 23s may be the next skipper or striker for OUFC. I wonder if you'll be so upbeat when a B team beats OUFC to promotion in 10 years time? Because that's the way it's going! what's your point matey...not upbeat if anyone beats OUFC.
You boycott & I'll watch - both happy...
Anyway if all the talk of investment is true we may get an invite as a B team in a few years. Now that will be scramble the fan base...
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Post by concretebob on May 12, 2017 20:25:39 GMT
I wonder if you'll be so upbeat when a B team beats OUFC to promotion in 10 years time? Because that's the way it's going! what's your point matey...not upbeat if anyone beats OUFC.
You boycott & I'll watch - both happy...
Anyway if all the talk of investment is true we may get an invite as a B team in a few years. Now that will be scramble the fan base...
If we got an invite in a few years I really do hope we turn it down. The competition is a joke. It's embarrassing fellow OUFC fans can't see that this is a Trojan horse.
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Post by witney50 on May 12, 2017 20:49:15 GMT
what's your point matey...not upbeat if anyone beats OUFC.
You boycott & I'll watch - both happy...
Anyway if all the talk of investment is true we may get an invite as a B team in a few years. Now that will be scramble the fan base...
If we got an invite in a few years I really do hope we turn it down. The competition is a joke. It's embarrassing fellow OUFC fans can't see that this is a Trojan horse. Maybe they are trying to bring in B teams through the back door, maybe they are not...But the clubs voted this in. I go to OUFC home and away, I go to Eng home and away, I watch friendlies and the senior cup...I make my own choice to do this and I make this on my own.
You choose to boycott...that's fine as well...just do it quietly and don't take the bloody moral high ground because that is embarrassing sunshine.
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Post by grenobleroad on May 12, 2017 21:14:25 GMT
If we got an invite in a few years I really do hope we turn it down. The competition is a joke. It's embarrassing fellow OUFC fans can't see that this is a Trojan horse. Maybe they are trying to bring in B teams through the back door, maybe they are not...But the clubs voted this in. I go to OUFC home and away, I go to Eng home and away, I watch friendlies and the senior cup...I make my own choice to do this and I do this on my own.
You choose to boycott...that's fine as well...just do it quietly and don't take the bloody moral high ground because that is embarrassing sunshine.
I feel that post is one for saddletramp to disect.
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Post by rickyotto on May 12, 2017 21:30:15 GMT
If we got an invite in a few years I really do hope we turn it down. The competition is a joke. It's embarrassing fellow OUFC fans can't see that this is a Trojan horse. Maybe they are trying to bring in B teams through the back door, maybe they are not...But the clubs voted this in. I go to OUFC home and away, I go to Eng home and away, I watch friendlies and the senior cup...I make my own choice to do this and I make this on my own.
You choose to boycott...that's fine as well...just do it quietly and don't take the bloody moral high ground because that is embarrassing sunshine.
Just ignore the boycott then. No biggy. Doesn't impact you does it. Obviously though if in five years time the 30 richest clubs have B teams with their budgets of billions, then we will be watching vastly inferior football players in division five or six with very little hope of ever succeeding. Lock out
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Post by witney50 on May 12, 2017 21:45:59 GMT
Maybe they are trying to bring in B teams through the back door, maybe they are not...But the clubs voted this in. I go to OUFC home and away, I go to Eng home and away, I watch friendlies and the senior cup...I make my own choice to do this and I make this on my own.
You choose to boycott...that's fine as well...just do it quietly and don't take the bloody moral high ground because that is embarrassing sunshine.
Just ignore the boycott then. No biggy. Doesn't impact you does it. Obviously though if in five years time the 30 richest clubs have B teams with their budgets of billions, then we will be watching vastly inferior football players in division five or six with very little hope of ever succeeding. Lock out Obviously, but I don't think we need to look out, not with both eyes anyway...
Don't lose sight of the fact that the clubs voted for this...it wasn't forced on them.
Our club took the view of the fans which was commendable but financially the wrong call for them...so why punish them now a vote has been taken by reducing our clubs revenue...
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Post by rickyotto on May 12, 2017 22:09:06 GMT
Some interesting points.
Most clubs these days have owners who aren't fans and care more about their pockets. They probably don't expect to be owners by the time the b teams are destroying the fabric of the efl either.
Far from punishing the club it's sending out a message that can be collaborative elsewhere to save the club.
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Post by makv on May 13, 2017 2:11:03 GMT
do we really have to start this all over again... Boycotters please boycott but don't try and gather support again and again...its boring. Those of us who want to watch will, the clubs finances will benefit and we will all be happy. I quite enjoyed the format actually, and you never know one of these under 23s may be the next skipper or striker for OUFC. Woosh
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Post by thesecretposter on May 13, 2017 5:34:02 GMT
How many threads do we need on this?
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Post by guyellow on May 13, 2017 7:56:58 GMT
what's your point matey...not upbeat if anyone beats OUFC.
You boycott & I'll watch - both happy...
Anyway if all the talk of investment is true we may get an invite as a B team in a few years. Now that will be scramble the fan base...
If we got an invite in a few years I really do hope we turn it down. The competition is a joke. It's embarrassing fellow OUFC fans can't see that this is a Trojan horse. Boycotting didn't seem to work this year did it? But low attendances deny the club attendance £££££. Why not organise a more targeted boycott so the club at least gets some good attendances, by that I suggest a huge boycott of matches against the U21 teams but support for matches against L1 and L2 teams.
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Post by concretebob on May 13, 2017 8:49:35 GMT
If we got an invite in a few years I really do hope we turn it down. The competition is a joke. It's embarrassing fellow OUFC fans can't see that this is a Trojan horse. Boycotting didn't seem to work this year did it? But low attendances deny the club attendance £££££. Why not organise a more targeted boycott so the club at least gets some good attendances, by that I suggest a huge boycott of matches against the U21 teams but support for matches against L1 and L2 teams. Sadly attending those games will just give the EFL more ammunition to justify to the competition in its current guise. It's really sad that we've got to a point where fans opinions don't matter one bit
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Post by Marked Ox on May 13, 2017 10:59:33 GMT
I wonder if you'll be so upbeat when a B team beats OUFC to promotion in 10 years time? Because that's the way it's going! what's your point matey...not upbeat if anyone beats OUFC.
You boycott & I'll watch - both happy...
Anyway if all the talk of investment is true we may get an invite as a B team in a few years. Now that will be scramble the fan base...
His point is very obvious. And I wouldn't want our B team involved either.
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Post by Marked Ox on May 13, 2017 11:02:17 GMT
If we got an invite in a few years I really do hope we turn it down. The competition is a joke. It's embarrassing fellow OUFC fans can't see that this is a Trojan horse. Boycotting didn't seem to work this year did it? But low attendances deny the club attendance £££££. Why not organise a more targeted boycott so the club at least gets some good attendances, by that I suggest a huge boycott of matches against the U21 teams but support for matches against L1 and L2 teams. Then Harvey and co will just aggregate crowds and so ignore/mitigate the crowds vs B teams.
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Post by pooshooter on May 13, 2017 12:10:09 GMT
I am not prepared to support this shitty competition with fookin B teams in it. I didn't go to the final last year because I wanted to make a futile gesture. What can be done to show the EFL that B teams are pointless?
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Post by sarge on May 13, 2017 13:18:56 GMT
Oxvox agm looming (25 may), hopefully there will be an agenda item re Shaun Harvey and our former chairman Ian Lenegan totally failing to take on board the views of the people who fund thier salaried positions at EFL (football supporters of EFL clubs), and instead jump through hoops to chomp on the Murdoch funded premiership cigar, for chicken feed in terms of hard cash. If not Ive a feeling the subject may be raised during the any other business section of the Oxvox agm
Most if not all EFL football clubs have supporters trusts, similar to Oxvox, perhaps the Oxvox agm will result in Oxvox contacting their counterparts with a view to campaign and petitioning the EFL, FA, etc with input from both FSF and against league 3 organisations to demonstrate the strength of feeling against Harvey and Lenegans b team abombination?
Better to be involved in some form of opposition ,official or unofficial, against bteams of premiership clubs (who CHOSE to split from the football league and line their pockets with Murdoch 's filthy lucre) than to bleat about it on forums and doing nothing else to oppose the potetial death of lower (e) fl football as we know it
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Post by tonyw on May 13, 2017 13:58:22 GMT
I am not prepared to support this shitty competition with fookin B teams in it. I didn't go to the final last year because I wanted to make a futile gesture. What can be done to show the EFL that B teams are pointless? I've said it once.....I'll say it a 100 times. All Football League fans should cancel their Sky subscriptions. Yes, the clubs are the ones making the decision. But they are doing so because they are financially desperate. And they are financially desperate because the Premier League has syphoned off 99% of the finance in football. The Accrington chairman was absolutely spot on when he talked about the Football League being paupers begging for scraps, and the Trophy decision is just the latest example of that. So instead, football fans need to hit the Premier League where it hurts - in their wallet, by going after the source of most of their funds, Sky. 250,000.....hell even 100,000 cancelled Sky subscriptions would really make them sit up and notice. But of course people don't want to do that, because it really would be a proper sacrifice.
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Post by Gary Baldi on May 13, 2017 20:44:51 GMT
Sadly, my Sky subscription is there for sports that aren't football. If Sky lost football, I wouldn't miss it at all.
If as rumoured Sky are considering making channels more sports related to stop "cable cutting" and give subscribers more choice, then I highly doubt I'd pay for the football one. Simply not good enough to warrant what I pay now. I'd rather watch West Indies vs Pakistan in the cricket.
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Post by saddletramp on May 14, 2017 7:54:10 GMT
I am not prepared to support this shitty competition with fookin B teams in it. I didn't go to the final last year because I wanted to make a futile gesture. What can be done to show the EFL that B teams are pointless? I've said it once.....I'll say it a 100 times. All Football League fans should cancel their Sky subscriptions. Yes, the clubs are the ones making the decision. But they are doing so because they are financially desperate. And they are financially desperate because the Premier League has syphoned off 99% of the finance in football. The Accrington chairman was absolutely spot on when he talked about the Football League being paupers begging for scraps, and the Trophy decision is just the latest example of that. So instead, football fans need to hit the Premier League where it hurts - in their wallet, by going after the source of most of their funds, Sky. 250,000.....hell even 100,000 cancelled Sky subscriptions would really make them sit up and notice. But of course people don't want to do that, because it really would be a proper sacrifice. Far more Oxford fans went to Wembley than didn't,tell me again why we should cancel our SKY subscriptions ?
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