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Post by Belgian Yellow on Feb 23, 2017 20:10:26 GMT
Wow! I'd like to think we wouldn't do that to MAPP if he won us the league.
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Post by oufcyellows on Feb 23, 2017 20:17:10 GMT
Mental. Achieved success way beyond what the board would ever have dreamt of. Still in the champions league. Made the club an absolute fortune. He will walk into another job .
They Probably go down the route of Birmingham and appoint some ex big name with no idea. (Or gary Rowett)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 20:21:25 GMT
Could do worse than reappoint Nigel Pearson
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Post by makv on Feb 23, 2017 20:22:47 GMT
He's missed out on the Eastleigh job already
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Post by Toeby on Feb 23, 2017 20:27:17 GMT
Could do worse than reappoint Nigel Pearson Or Phil Parkinson.
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Post by Boogaloo on Feb 23, 2017 20:58:18 GMT
Appalling decision. It appears that the loss of revenue from a drop to the Championship outweighs bringing the fans the sort of dreams that you only read about in Roy of the Rovers comics. I know you can't be too sentimental, but it was only 9 months ago. A purely business decision by the owners which quite frankly sums everything that is wrong with the Premier League. Hope they go down.
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Post by essexyellows on Feb 23, 2017 21:02:22 GMT
Hope somebody has stolen Mapps phone & nailed his office door up.
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Post by concretebob on Feb 23, 2017 21:04:21 GMT
Hope somebody has stolen Mapps phone & nailed his office door up. Absolutely no chance.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Feb 23, 2017 21:36:16 GMT
His players haven't been playing for him recently, the death knell for any manager. It's such a shame that he couldn't take Leicester to mid table, but he's looked lost for too much of the season once teams didn't allow them to counter attack
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Post by oldham on Feb 23, 2017 21:45:23 GMT
Roberto Mancini will get the job....
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Post by thehorse on Feb 23, 2017 21:54:49 GMT
Obviously what they achieved last season was incredible but that was last season.
The club has backed him again this season by offering the players bigger contracts to keep them at the club rather than, for example, Vardy going to Arsenal.
That should mean the club are comfortably mid table this season, which I think is what the board would have been expecting and would have been reasonably happy with, the problem is at the moment they are in free fall and I can't see anyway they will stay up if things stay the same.
The financial side to relegation clearly will have played a part in the clubs thinking but from a footballing perspective it also makes sense, would you honestly be happy if OUFC were in free fall towards relegation having spent out on the squad etc but then chose to just accept it because they had been promoted the season before?
Once you leave the premier league, it is difficult to bounce straight back unless you spend big like Newcastle have done, look at the likes of Leeds, Villa etc. There's no guarantee that they'd have come straight back had they given Ranieri the opportunity to see out this season.
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Post by sideshowrob on Feb 23, 2017 21:55:45 GMT
Are the board still going to put up the statue as well?
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Post by MJB on Feb 23, 2017 22:39:05 GMT
Obviously what they achieved last season was incredible but that was last season. The club has backed him again this season by offering the players bigger contracts to keep them at the club rather than, for example, Vardy going to Arsenal. That should mean the club are comfortably mid table this season, which I think is what the board would have been expecting and would have been reasonably happy with, the problem is at the moment they are in free fall and I can't see anyway they will stay up if things stay the same. The financial side to relegation clearly will have played a part in the clubs thinking but from a footballing perspective it also makes sense, would you honestly be happy if OUFC were in free fall towards relegation having spent out on the squad etc but then chose to just accept it because they had been promoted the season before? Once you leave the premier league, it is difficult to bounce straight back unless you spend big like Newcastle have done, look at the likes of Leeds, Villa etc. There's no guarantee that they'd have come straight back had they given Ranieri the opportunity to see out this season. Well let's take your analogy. If Oxford scrape into the play-offs this year and remarkably make it to the Championship, gave players like Lego, the skipper and Maguire bigger contracts but we got relegated, would I still want Mapp to take us forward back in League One? Almost certainly yes.
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Post by saddletramp on Feb 24, 2017 5:02:44 GMT
Obviously what they achieved last season was incredible but that was last season. The club has backed him again this season by offering the players bigger contracts to keep them at the club rather than, for example, Vardy going to Arsenal. That should mean the club are comfortably mid table this season, which I think is what the board would have been expecting and would have been reasonably happy with, the problem is at the moment they are in free fall and I can't see anyway they will stay up if things stay the same. The financial side to relegation clearly will have played a part in the clubs thinking but from a footballing perspective it also makes sense, would you honestly be happy if OUFC were in free fall towards relegation having spent out on the squad etc but then chose to just accept it because they had been promoted the season before? Once you leave the premier league, it is difficult to bounce straight back unless you spend big like Newcastle have done, look at the likes of Leeds, Villa etc. There's no guarantee that they'd have come straight back had they given Ranieri the opportunity to see out this season. Well let's take your analogy. If Oxford scrape into the play-offs this year and remarkably make it to the Championship, gave players like Lego, the skipper and Maguire bigger contracts but we got relegated, would I still want Mapp to take us forward back in League One? Almost certainly yes. As the saying goes "the bigger you are the harder you fall" Not shocked,only at the end of the season will we be able to judge. Burnley stuck with Dyche despite being relegated,it was expected 2 seasons ago that Burnley would go down,they did,but came back up stronger this time. On the other hand,Phelan and that yank bloke at Swansea took over teams in freefall,had relegation written all over them,so i was shocked when they got the sack. Yet with 2 new managers Hull and Swansea have turned it around and have a fighting chance of staying up.
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Post by saddletramp on Feb 24, 2017 5:26:30 GMT
Obviously what they achieved last season was incredible but that was last season. The club has backed him again this season by offering the players bigger contracts to keep them at the club rather than, for example, Vardy going to Arsenal. That should mean the club are comfortably mid table this season, which I think is what the board would have been expecting and would have been reasonably happy with, the problem is at the moment they are in free fall and I can't see anyway they will stay up if things stay the same. The financial side to relegation clearly will have played a part in the clubs thinking but from a footballing perspective it also makes sense, would you honestly be happy if OUFC were in free fall towards relegation having spent out on the squad etc but then chose to just accept it because they had been promoted the season before? Once you leave the premier league, it is difficult to bounce straight back unless you spend big like Newcastle have done, look at the likes of Leeds, Villa etc. There's no guarantee that they'd have come straight back had they given Ranieri the opportunity to see out this season. Well let's take your analogy. If Oxford scrape into the play-offs this year and remarkably make it to the Championship, gave players like Lego, the skipper and Maguire bigger contracts but we got relegated, would I still want Mapp to take us forward back in League One? Almost certainly yes. Just depends in what scenario relegation occured. You are talking about Oxford scraping into the play offs,well what if we stayed in League 1,but next year won League 1 by 15 points. The following season, If after 10 games Oxford hadn't won a game would you stand by him ? If at this point of the season and Oxford were 16 points adrift of safety (ala Rotherham) would you stand by him ? If at this point of the season,despite being top half before Xmas,a run of 5 points in 10 games and 7 defeats on the trot,(ala Leicester)would you consider a change ?
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 24, 2017 7:27:05 GMT
Obviously what they achieved last season was incredible but that was last season. The club has backed him again this season by offering the players bigger contracts to keep them at the club rather than, for example, Vardy going to Arsenal. That should mean the club are comfortably mid table this season, which I think is what the board would have been expecting and would have been reasonably happy with, the problem is at the moment they are in free fall and I can't see anyway they will stay up if things stay the same. The financial side to relegation clearly will have played a part in the clubs thinking but from a footballing perspective it also makes sense, would you honestly be happy if OUFC were in free fall towards relegation having spent out on the squad etc but then chose to just accept it because they had been promoted the season before? Once you leave the premier league, it is difficult to bounce straight back unless you spend big like Newcastle have done, look at the likes of Leeds, Villa etc. There's no guarantee that they'd have come straight back had they given Ranieri the opportunity to see out this season. Well let's take your analogy. If Oxford scrape into the play-offs this year and remarkably make it to the Championship, gave players like Lego, the skipper and Maguire bigger contracts but we got relegated, would I still want Mapp to take us forward back in League One? Almost certainly yes. Almost means there is a chance you wouldn't. As with most things in life we can never be sure what we want unless we are in that situation.
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Post by holdsteady on Feb 24, 2017 7:57:58 GMT
Sam Allardyce got the England job on the back of keeping Sunderland up with a bigger budget than Ranieri, who has been sacked 9 month's later, won the premier league with.
Just shows kids, never set the bar to high at work, they only expect it every day then, be like big Sam and do just enough.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Feb 24, 2017 8:42:07 GMT
Burnley have a different mindset to Leicester. So going down isn't the end of it, as they know the money they have will transform the club for its future and it really won't affect them that much when they go down. Leicester are league champions and they expect to get into Europe and are nearly in the relegation zone. Ranieri, from what I've seen looks out of his depth and the players aren't responding. It's the right time if you are going to do it.
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Post by Boogaloo on Feb 24, 2017 9:53:40 GMT
Burnley have a different mindset to Leicester. So going down isn't the end of it, as they know the money they have will transform the club for its future and it really won't affect them that much when they go down. Leicester are league champions and they expect to get into Europe and are nearly in the relegation zone. Ranieri, from what I've seen looks out of his depth and the players aren't responding. Again that is another symptom of what is wrong with the modern game. If I'm not performing for my boss, then you can get your bottom dollar that it will I who wil be handed my P45 and not my boss. They are professional footballers, many of whom probably earn more than Ranieri themselves. If they're putting half-arsed performances in, then they should be moved on in the summer, or even fined/dropped, and what's more the chairman should back the manager when he does that (but of course,they never do).
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Post by berliner on Feb 24, 2017 11:42:43 GMT
Appalling decision. It appears that the loss of revenue from a drop to the Championship outweighs bringing the fans the sort of dreams that you only read about in Roy of the Rovers comics. I know you can't be too sentimental, but it was only 9 months ago. A purely business decision by the owners which quite frankly sums everything that is wrong with the Premier League. Hope they go down. Let's not forget that Melchester Rovers got relegated in the early 80s and bounced straight back up after sticking with Roy Race. OK, he was in hospital at the end of the promotion season after being shot, but hey-ho.
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Post by chippsy on Feb 24, 2017 12:32:52 GMT
Players should hang their head in shame for not performing for him.
They took the plaudits when they won the title along with Ranieri but it seems only he is to blame for what has happened since.
Overpaid and overrated..yep that's definitely the premiership.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Feb 24, 2017 13:31:46 GMT
Burnley have a different mindset to Leicester. So going down isn't the end of it, as they know the money they have will transform the club for its future and it really won't affect them that much when they go down. Leicester are league champions and they expect to get into Europe and are nearly in the relegation zone. Ranieri, from what I've seen looks out of his depth and the players aren't responding. Again that is another symptom of what is wrong with the modern game. If I'm not performing for my boss, then you can get your bottom dollar that it will I who wil be handed my P45 and not my boss. They are professional footballers, many of whom probably earn more than Ranieri themselves. If they're putting half-arsed performances in, then they should be moved on in the summer, or even fined/dropped, and what's more the chairman should back the manager when he does that (but of course,they never do). Unfortunately its an ingrained culture in football that does not translate to the real world that uniformly. The TSF books are very clear when players don't want to play and it's cheaper to remove the manager than it is the players.
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Post by oufcyellows on Feb 24, 2017 14:07:27 GMT
I think it was massively underestimated how much of a loss kante would be.
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Post by tonyw on Feb 24, 2017 17:57:15 GMT
Burnley have a different mindset to Leicester. So going down isn't the end of it, as they know the money they have will transform the club for its future and it really won't affect them that much when they go down. Leicester are league champions and they expect to get into Europe and are nearly in the relegation zone. Ranieri, from what I've seen looks out of his depth and the players aren't responding. It's the right time if you are going to do it. But the question is why do they expect to be in Europe? The reason is because last year Ranieri pulled off the biggest miracle in the history of football (and I honestly don't think I'm exaggerating here). He got a bunch of journeyman players to come together and simultaneously play the best football of their lives, and achieve something that shouldn't have been possible. Over the summer they lost their best player in Kante, and made a few ill-advised signings that haven't added to the squad (don't know if Ranieri was primarily responsible for these, or their DoF). But mostly what's sunk them is that their key players - Huth, Morgan, Mahrez, Vardy, Drinkwater, Simpson, Albrighton, Fuchs etc. - have reverted to what they are.....fringe Premiership players. Ranieri has been the victim of his own impossible success here. Clearly glory and past achievements buy you nothing in the modern game.
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Post by tonyw on Feb 24, 2017 18:04:46 GMT
Well let's take your analogy. If Oxford scrape into the play-offs this year and remarkably make it to the Championship, gave players like Lego, the skipper and Maguire bigger contracts but we got relegated, would I still want Mapp to take us forward back in League One? Almost certainly yes. Just depends in what scenario relegation occured. You are talking about Oxford scraping into the play offs,well what if we stayed in League 1,but next year won League 1 by 15 points. The following season, If after 10 games Oxford hadn't won a game would you stand by him ? If at this point of the season and Oxford were 16 points adrift of safety (ala Rotherham) would you stand by him ? If at this point of the season,despite being top half before Xmas,a run of 5 points in 10 games and 7 defeats on the trot,(ala Leicester)would you consider a change ? Yes, Yes, and No. Managers need to be judged relative to reasonable expectations. Your analogy about winning League One by 15 points is a good one, because it would be a similar level of achievement, relative to expectations, as Leicester last year. If we then struggled in the Championship - well, frankly, that's wouldn't be that surprising as we would have one of the smallest budgets in the league. The earliest I would then start to question MApp would be November of the following season, if we were struggling back in League One. A League One title by 15 points would earn him the benefit of the doubt for at least the next entire season.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Feb 24, 2017 22:10:50 GMT
Burnley have a different mindset to Leicester. So going down isn't the end of it, as they know the money they have will transform the club for its future and it really won't affect them that much when they go down. Leicester are league champions and they expect to get into Europe and are nearly in the relegation zone. Ranieri, from what I've seen looks out of his depth and the players aren't responding. It's the right time if you are going to do it. But the question is why do they expect to be in Europe? The reason is because last year Ranieri pulled off the biggest miracle in the history of football (and I honestly don't think I'm exaggerating here). He got a bunch of journeyman players to come together and simultaneously play the best football of their lives, and achieve something that shouldn't have been possible. Over the summer they lost their best player in Kante, and made a few ill-advised signings that haven't added to the squad (don't know if Ranieri was primarily responsible for these, or their DoF). But mostly what's sunk them is that their key players - Huth, Morgan, Mahrez, Vardy, Drinkwater, Simpson, Albrighton, Fuchs etc. - have reverted to what they are.....fringe Premiership players. Ranieri has been the victim of his own impossible success here. Clearly glory and past achievements buy you nothing in the modern game. If it were me at Leicester, I'd look at Europe as a stepping stone to something more. But CL does funny things to people, and as you point out, the squad are a bunch of stiffs and importantly, other top teams kicked on. Where Leicester failed is signing more mediocre players that did little to improve the team. Musa is quick, but that's it. I didn't understand why they signed him in the summer.
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Post by Young Money on Feb 25, 2017 9:54:43 GMT
It's ridiculous that they've sacked him.
They weren't guaranteed to go down, there's still three teams below them. They're also still very much in Europe, and let's not forget what a good campaign they've had there so far. They should have stuck with him, backed him to turn it around - as they said they would in a statement, only two weeks ago!
I also can't believe you guys are saying them winning the PL was like us winning League 1?! We are expected to finish mid table and hoping to finish in the playoffs. Leicester were expected to fight relegation, and there's much less fluidity at the top level than there is in the third tier.
For me, a better analogy would be if we do get promoted and then MAPP somehow WINS the Chanpionship next season. That would be a similar shock. And I can tell you that if that happened I wouldn't want him to be sacked, even if we didn't win a game in the Premiership.
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Post by saddletramp on Feb 25, 2017 12:45:27 GMT
It's ridiculous that they've sacked him. They weren't guaranteed to go down, there's still three teams below them. They're also still very much in Europe, and let's not forget what a good campaign they've had there so far. They should have stuck with him, backed him to turn it around - as they said they would in a statement, only two weeks ago! I also can't believe you guys are saying them winning the PL was like us winning League 1?! We are expected to finish mid table and hoping to finish in the playoffs. Leicester were expected to fight relegation, and there's much less fluidity at the top level than there is in the third tier. For me, a better analogy would be if we do get promoted and then MAPP somehow WINS the Chanpionship next season. That would be a similar shock. And I can tell you that if that happened I wouldn't want him to be sacked, even if we didn't win a game in the Premiership. The fact of the matter is,football is a results driven sport,he manages a team that haven't scored a league goal THIS YEAR. The odds are by tomorrow morning they will be in the bottom 3. I just don't get what last season has to do with anything ? If Ranieri didn't come over as such a nice guy,none of this would have made the news. Who won the PL the season before last ? Chelsea. Who was the manager ? Mourinho. He got the boot before Xmas,why didn't we have all this indignation when he got sacked ? What really gets my goat,that prick Lineker. On Ranieri's appointment Gary Lineker has slammed former club Leicester City's decision to install Claudio Ranieri as manager, labelling it an "uninspired choice". On Ranieri's sacking, "I shed a tear last night for Claudio, for football and for my club." My club ? That would be the one you fucked off and left when Everton came calling,then dumped after one season when Barca came calling. At the end of the day Ranieri is a average manager who has somehow got some of the top jobs in football despite winning nowt. He has managed 4 of the biggest teams in Italy Juve,Roma,Napoli and Inter and won sod all. Also managed Chelsea,Valencia,Atletico Madrid,Fiorentina,Monaco etc,etc,yet until last year had never won a league title. He even managed the Greek national team to home and away defeats to the Faroe Islands !! I've watched a lot of Leicester lately and they look like a rudderless ship,different starting X1 every week,the tinker man has returned. How they got away with 2-1 in Seville this week is beyond me,they looked hopeless as did the manager.
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Post by berliner on Feb 25, 2017 18:53:42 GMT
At the end of the day Ranieri is a average manager who has somehow got some of the top jobs in football despite winning nowt. He has managed 4 of the biggest teams in Italy Juve,Roma,Napoli and Inter and won sod all. Also managed Chelsea,Valencia,Atletico Madrid,Fiorentina,Monaco etc,etc,yet until last year had never won a league title. He even managed the Greek national team to home and away defeats to the Faroe Islands !! Napoli were a basket case when he took over, he took them to fourth and Europe. Valencia he took from the bottom to the top four, qualified for Europe and won the Copa del Rey. He took Fiorentina from Serie B to the top half of Serie A and won the Coppa Italia. Atletico Madrid were in administration and he resigned before the chop by Jesus Gil...the maddest chairman of them all. Saved Parma from relegation. Took Monaco from second division to second in Ligue Un. ...and he was only in charge for the first of those defeats to the Faroes.
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Post by saddletramp on Feb 25, 2017 19:45:11 GMT
At the end of the day Ranieri is a average manager who has somehow got some of the top jobs in football despite winning nowt. He has managed 4 of the biggest teams in Italy Juve,Roma,Napoli and Inter and won sod all. Also managed Chelsea,Valencia,Atletico Madrid,Fiorentina,Monaco etc,etc,yet until last year had never won a league title. He even managed the Greek national team to home and away defeats to the Faroe Islands !! Napoli were a basket case when he took over, he took them to fourth and Europe. Valencia he took from the bottom to the top four, qualified for Europe and won the Copa del Rey. He took Fiorentina from Serie B to the top half of Serie A and won the Coppa Italia. Atletico Madrid were in administration and he resigned before the chop by Jesus Gil...the maddest chairman of them all. Saved Parma from relegation. Took Monaco from second division to second in Ligue Un. ...and he was only in charge for the first of those defeats to the Faroes. So you agree,he won f*ck all. He won league 2 in France with Monaco, a League thats roughly on par with the conference, "Monaco were one of the biggest spenders in Europe in 2013, spending roughly £140 million, including a club-record £50 million for Radamel Falcao from Atlético Madrid" So he spent £50 million on a player to win a league thats on a par with the conference !! "He was only in charge of Greece for the first of those defeats to the Faroes" Ranieri was appointed manager of the Greece national football team following the departure of Fernando Santos after the 2014 FIFA World Cup, signing a two-year contract worth €1.6 million. Compared to their previous stability under Otto Rehhagel and Fernando Santos, Ranieri often changed line-ups and formations, confusing the players; moreover he did not live in Greece.] He was sacked on 15 November 2014, the day after a UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying defeat at home against the Faroe Islands. He received an €800,000 severance deal. Sorry you are correct,after losing at home to the MIGHTY Faroes he was sacked. So you mentioned a few of the teams that he did OK with,so how about Juve ? Inter ? Roma ? Chelsea ? A lifetime 2nd rate manager who struck lucky with a bunch of misfits last season. A
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