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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 10:47:44 GMT
Post by followtheox (the original) on Jan 30, 2011 10:47:44 GMT
I know i might get some stick for this but i think Clist has been of the boil a bit. The last couple of games he has got caught flat footed at times and does not move the ball quick enough. He has been caught in possession a bit to much and does not seem as mobile as he did. He has also been getting shrugged of the ball to easily. He has been a bit hesitant ie should i pass should i shoot and has lacked creativity at times. I know this seems like i am giving Clist a lot of grief but its just my view. I just think if people are questioning Hall V Heslop ect i am just wondering where Clist fits into this. Before anyone says anything, i can see what an inform Clist brings to the team and what he does but thought he should have been replaced yesterday.
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 13:09:49 GMT
Post by Beav on Jan 30, 2011 13:09:49 GMT
Read 'Player of the Month' for my personal view.
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 13:29:41 GMT
Post by followtheox (the original) on Jan 30, 2011 13:29:41 GMT
Read 'Player of the Month' for my personal view. I agree about the silent role just don't think he has been doing it that well of late!
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 13:35:14 GMT
Post by macleanmassivefan on Jan 30, 2011 13:35:14 GMT
Clist just needs to be given time, has he been a league player before?
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 13:36:34 GMT
Post by tomox on Jan 30, 2011 13:36:34 GMT
Bit too slow on the ball yesterday but he is crucial to the team and will return to form soon
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 13:49:10 GMT
Post by longliveclarkey on Jan 30, 2011 13:49:10 GMT
Was very good, but undoubtedly looked out of it the past 2 games. Rest him for a week or two, we have a fair amount of strength in midfield.
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 13:55:05 GMT
Post by Beav on Jan 30, 2011 13:55:05 GMT
Didn't Clist play for Barnet once in the league?
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 14:02:21 GMT
Post by brassmonkey on Jan 30, 2011 14:02:21 GMT
He probably has the most league experience out of all our players playing 71 times for bristol city
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 14:04:28 GMT
Post by Cardiff Yellow on Jan 30, 2011 14:04:28 GMT
its no coincidence that our bad run came to an abrupt end when clist was reinstated to first team duty. A great player.
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 14:09:23 GMT
Post by Marked Ox on Jan 30, 2011 14:09:23 GMT
Imo he didn't have the best of games yesterday by his own high standards, but he still had a decent game with the usual excellent work rate. He is important part of the midfield though and has played well recently.
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 14:14:14 GMT
Post by longliveclarkey on Jan 30, 2011 14:14:14 GMT
its no coincidence that our bad run came to an abrupt end when clist was reinstated to first team duty. A great player. No it didn't, he was reinstated against Burton where we lost, then losing against Rotheram and Gillingham with him still in the side. He's good, but he didn't do THAT much.
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 14:51:28 GMT
Post by followtheox (the original) on Jan 30, 2011 14:51:28 GMT
its no coincidence that our bad run came to an abrupt end when clist was reinstated to first team duty. A great player. No it didn't, he was reinstated against Burton where we lost, then losing against Rotheram and Gillingham with him still in the side. He's good, but he didn't do THAT much. At the beginning of the season i thought the three of Heslop, Hall and Bullman looked good, we just were not putting our chances away. next game I Would like to see Heslop, Hall and Maclaren (Payne if Maclaren needs a rest).
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 14:57:46 GMT
Post by longliveclarkey on Jan 30, 2011 14:57:46 GMT
I'd agree with that, but it would definitely be nice to see Payne start, he's got a lot of quality, and Heslop hasn't quite looked with it for a few games. Maybe Hall-Maclaren-Payne? Nice combination of drive, breaking up of play and creativity (can't see them scoring too many goals though).
But yes, I thought our midfield 3 at the start of the season looked very good and I think that sort of set up might be one for the future.
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 16:37:25 GMT
Post by bluealice on Jan 30, 2011 16:37:25 GMT
Sorry to say but in my humble opinion Payne is a "fancy dan" who thinks he's better than he is.Mclaren is quite brilliant, what would he be worth if he was 5 years younger!. Clist is very good but some BIG teams will muscle him off the ball, i.e. Cheltenham. All-in all the Team is versatile and capable of beating any team in League 2, [as well as losing to most of them on a bad day!]
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 16:37:25 GMT
Post by followtheox (the original) on Jan 30, 2011 16:37:25 GMT
I'd agree with that, but it would definitely be nice to see Payne start, he's got a lot of quality, and Heslop hasn't quite looked with it for a few games. Maybe Hall-Maclaren-Payne? Nice combination of drive, breaking up of play and creativity (can't see them scoring too many goals though). But yes, I thought our midfield 3 at the start of the season looked very good and I think that sort of set up might be one for the future. I like Payne too. When either him or Heslop are in form they are our most creative CMs for sure.
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 16:44:59 GMT
Post by longliveclarkey on Jan 30, 2011 16:44:59 GMT
Sorry to say but in my humble opinion Payne is a "fancy dan" who thinks he's better than he is.Mclaren is quite brilliant, what would he be worth if he was 5 years younger!. Clist is very good but some BIG teams will muscle him off the ball, i.e. Cheltenham. All-in all the Team is versatile and capable of beating any team in League 2, [as well as losing to most of them on a bad day!] What evidence would you use to back that up with? Personally I don't think there's been a better midfield performance this season than Payne vs Morecambe/Port Vale (though Maclaren vs Bradford is close, I agree if he was 5 years younger he'd be well beyond our reach). That pass for Craddock for the first against Port Vale was one of the best I've seen. To top it all off, he's 19 years old. We'd be mad not to give him a chance.
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 18:13:27 GMT
Post by foghornleghorn on Jan 30, 2011 18:13:27 GMT
its no coincidence that our bad run came to an abrupt end when clist was reinstated to first team duty. A great player. I thought the turn around came with the introduction of the two older heads, the two mac's.
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 18:26:14 GMT
Post by dabigfella on Jan 30, 2011 18:26:14 GMT
Clist is one of the reasons Tonkin is doing so well. He can get forward confidently knowing Clist will cover for him if the move fails.
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 18:33:15 GMT
Post by followtheox (the original) on Jan 30, 2011 18:33:15 GMT
Clist is one of the reasons Tonkin is doing so well. He can get forward confidently knowing Clist will cover for him if the move fails. On occasions, yes, but actually often Clist plays further up the park than Tonkin and often it is Maclaren slowing an attack down, allowing Tonkin to get back.
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 19:06:08 GMT
Post by browny on Jan 30, 2011 19:06:08 GMT
For me Clist has with a couple of exceptions been outstanding this season. MOM at Aldershot, superb IMO at Northampton and sadly it seems that unless you are flambuyant at this club you are not fully appreciated
Interesting stats this season with and without Clist in the starting line up
Without Played 12 Points 14 Ave 1.16 Pts per game
With Played 12 Points 19 Ave 1.58 pts per game
I feel we are a better side with him and Tonkin is without doubt a different player with Clist in and around the team
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 19:45:37 GMT
Post by followtheox (the original) on Jan 30, 2011 19:45:37 GMT
For me Clist has with a couple of exceptions been outstanding this season. MOM at Aldershot, superb IMO at Northampton and sadly it seems that unless you are flambuyant at this club you are not fully appreciated Interesting stats this season with and without Clist in the starting line up Without Played 12 Points 14 Ave 1.16 Pts per game With Played 12 Points 19 Ave 1.58 pts per game I feel we are a better side with him and Tonkin is without doubt a different player with Clist in and around the team The problem with citing statistics like this is that they do not take into account confounding factors (examples: who we were playing, who else was in the team, formations, injuries ect) and, therefore, the results are probably not statistically significant ie not by chance or at least you cannot prove they are so they prove nothing! In addition, you say we have played 12 with and 12 without and according to the league table we have played 27 games. You don't have to be a mathematician to work out that something is not right with your maths! By the way I think Maclaren has been excellent since he has been in the team and he is not flamboyant! Tonkin has been excellent since he has been recalled but i think that is down to him finding form and the fact that we have a decent holding midfielder (Maclaren) who allows him to run forward. Clist does give balance to the midfield with his left foot.
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 20:06:13 GMT
Post by scoob on Jan 30, 2011 20:06:13 GMT
I think some of you watch a different game to the rest of us. In the last few games Clist has been very consistent and breaks up many of the opposition attacks before they get started. He is not a flambouyant play maker but a few times yesterday he put through some pin point passes. I particularly remember one to Tonkin that cut between two defenders who were feet apart and Tonkin was left in acres of space as a result. We need Clist alongside Hall or Payne or Heslops as he adds a different dimension to those three.
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Post by yellowsubmarine on Jan 30, 2011 20:20:19 GMT
its no coincidence that our bad run came to an abrupt end when clist was reinstated to first team duty. A great player. I thought the turn around came with the introduction of the two older heads, the two mac's. I think that Wilder quickly realising that Futcher and Wooton weren't up to it was another major factor in turning our season around
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 20:26:33 GMT
Post by followtheox (the original) on Jan 30, 2011 20:26:33 GMT
I think some of you watch a different game to the rest of us. In the last few games Clist has been very consistent and breaks up many of the opposition attacks before they get started. He is not a flambouyant play maker but a few times yesterday he put through some pin point passes. I particularly remember one to Tonkin that cut between two defenders who were feet apart and Tonkin was left in acres of space as a result. We need Clist alongside Hall or Payne or Heslops as he adds a different dimension to those three. The four quoted are actually quite different to each other and, therefore, all offer a different dimension ie Clist is not one type of player and the others the same. Don't get me wrong (i like an inform Clist) but since his arrival it is clear that it is Maclaren who is the key and it should be him and two others not Clist and two others. I would like to see Maclaren, Hall and Heslop although it is fair to say we have options in CM with Payne and Clist too.
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 20:57:56 GMT
Post by dabigfella on Jan 30, 2011 20:57:56 GMT
I think some of you watch a different game to the rest of us. In the last few games Clist has been very consistent and breaks up many of the opposition attacks before they get started. He is not a flambouyant play maker but a few times yesterday he put through some pin point passes. I particularly remember one to Tonkin that cut between two defenders who were feet apart and Tonkin was left in acres of space as a result. We need Clist alongside Hall or Payne or Heslops as he adds a different dimension to those three. The four quoted are actually quite different to each other and, therefore, all offer a different dimension ie Clist is not one type of player and the others the same. Don't get me wrong (i like an inform Clist) but since his arrival it is clear that it is Maclaren who is the key and it should be him and two others not Clist and two others. I would like to see Maclaren, Hall and Heslop although it is fair to say we have options in CM with Payne and Clist too. It seems that as far as Wilder is concerned it's Clist, Mclaren and one other (Hall or Heslop).
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Clist
Jan 30, 2011 21:01:32 GMT
Post by followtheox (the original) on Jan 30, 2011 21:01:32 GMT
The four quoted are actually quite different to each other and, therefore, all offer a different dimension ie Clist is not one type of player and the others the same. Don't get me wrong (i like an inform Clist) but since his arrival it is clear that it is Maclaren who is the key and it should be him and two others not Clist and two others. I would like to see Maclaren, Hall and Heslop although it is fair to say we have options in CM with Payne and Clist too. It seems that as far as Wilder is concerned it's Clist, Mclaren and one other (Hall or Heslop). Actually as far as Wilder is concerned, at the moment, it is all of the first three you have mentioned as Heslop has been starting the bench.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 22:01:45 GMT
i think id like to give him a rest for a week or two...
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Clist
Jan 31, 2011 0:21:19 GMT
Post by danoufc on Jan 31, 2011 0:21:19 GMT
Thought he was slightly off the boil on Saturday too....got caught in possession and sometimes doesn't look strong enough.
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Clist
Jan 31, 2011 8:40:10 GMT
Post by Long John Silver on Jan 31, 2011 8:40:10 GMT
Tend to agree with most of the opening post and that he has not been at his best for the last 3 or 4 matches.
Definitely a tendency to get eased off the ball far too easily and looking a bit slow when in possession.
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Clist
Jan 31, 2011 20:44:26 GMT
Post by The Fence End on Jan 31, 2011 20:44:26 GMT
Clist is a good player but a limited player and his limitations are being exposed by League 2. I think the signing of Hackney will mean Clist will play less.
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