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Post by nick68 on Jan 3, 2017 21:52:58 GMT
Apologies for not just agreeing with you but obviously calling me a fool has convinced me now.
As previously stated I'll wait for clarification from OxVox as and when they can do so.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jan 3, 2017 22:05:01 GMT
You're a fool if you wrote this: I'm sure your last sentence could have been said when Nick Merry signed the stadium rental agreement, I'm sure he never thought it wasn't a step forward
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Post by nick68 on Jan 3, 2017 23:51:31 GMT
It doesn't make me a fool if you missed the point I was making but never mind I haven't got time for personal insults
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Post by The Fence End on Jan 14, 2017 8:39:30 GMT
From the BBC: "Oxford Utdfans group OxVox hope to have deal with Firoz Kassam to bring the Kassam Stadium into community ownership by end of season."
It would be great to get rid of Kassam but would it be better if the Club owned it directly? I don't mean to be difficult just a question as Eales seemed unimpressed by the prospect of that.
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Post by The Fence End on Jan 14, 2017 8:43:36 GMT
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Post by The Fence End on Jan 14, 2017 8:53:00 GMT
Perhaps the Community ownership will make it easier for Eales to then buy the stadium outright sooner and for a better price.
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Post by upthecowboys on Jan 14, 2017 8:59:00 GMT
From the BBC: "Oxford Utdfans group OxVox hope to have deal with Firoz Kassam to bring the Kassam Stadium into community ownership by end of season." It would be great to get rid of Kassam but would it be better if the Club owned it directly? I don't mean to be difficult just a question as Eales seemed unimpressed by the prospect of that. From a long term security perspective, No I don't think it would be better if the club owned the ground. What happens if a future owner gets the hump (or we end up with a numpty Nick Merry type character involved again) we could end up in the same position I.e a new owner owning the club but not the ground, paying high rent in a poorly maintained ground. Surely with the proposed deal then the club will get all match day / football revenues (and possibly a split of other stadium generated revenues) plus lower rent? The way I read it is that DE wants ownership of the ground, which is totally understandable but Kassam won't sell to him because Kassam can get leverage for other development opportunities if he sells to a consortium involving the council. So it's nothing personal between DE and Kassam, it's just DE can't offer Kassam what a consortium including the council can. Of course DE publicly will say he is behind a community bid and he probably is if Kassam won't sell to him, but I think his frustrated tone in recent weeks is due to him realising that he has no chance of owning the ground.
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Post by The Fence End on Jan 14, 2017 9:02:39 GMT
I can't help feeling though that the club owning it's own ground, Grenoble Road or elsewhere, would be better.
I'll await Eales' response to this but I think we're at risk of pushing out the best chairman we've had because of this then we could end up with the numpty sort referred to above.
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Post by headingtonutd on Jan 14, 2017 9:19:44 GMT
From the BBC: "Oxford Utdfans group OxVox hope to have deal with Firoz Kassam to bring the Kassam Stadium into community ownership by end of season." It would be great to get rid of Kassam but would it be better if the Club owned it directly? I don't mean to be difficult just a question as Eales seemed unimpressed by the prospect of that. But what if Eales does own the ground and three years down the line he decides to sell (maybe The Blues come up for sale and his heart strings are tugged?). What if the next owner turns out to be another Kassam and decides to sell on and keep the ground? Don't get me wrong, i'd have been more than happy to see DE purchase the stadium but he couldn't get a deal done, in fact they are further apart than ever. OxVox are offering us the chance to secure the stadium to the community for good and to offer the owner greatly improved rates and the opportunity to run the ground as he sees fit and utilise all it's revenue streams. Surely that's worth our support?
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Post by The Fence End on Jan 14, 2017 9:33:47 GMT
There's often too many stakeholders in community projects like this, too many personalities and too many opinions. Often this'll lead to fall outs about who should pay what and who is owed what. I'd prefer one strong leader/owner/decision maker as it's my belief/experience you can't do anything by committee.
I'm concerned the council are involved. Whilst the current councillors are supportive there's a chance they can be voted out - who's to say their successors will be supportive football people?
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Post by ox18 on Jan 14, 2017 9:36:08 GMT
I can't help feeling though that the club owning it's own ground, Grenoble Road or elsewhere, would be better. I'll await Eales' response to this but I think we're at risk of pushing out the best chairman we've had because of this then we could end up with the numpty sort referred to above. My feeling is that DE would be quite happy with the " community" thing going ahead, providing he sees a reduction in rent and the ability to make money from bars, lounges etc. He has no huge financial layout to find and the club can be more self efficient with the additional income.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 14, 2017 9:36:48 GMT
From the BBC: "Oxford Utdfans group OxVox hope to have deal with Firoz Kassam to bring the Kassam Stadium into community ownership by end of season." It would be great to get rid of Kassam but would it be better if the Club owned it directly? I don't mean to be difficult just a question as Eales seemed unimpressed by the prospect of that. Where has de seemed unimpressed by it? The only things he has mentioned in his interviews is that he would like it done quicker , but has described it as a fantastic opportunity , funny words for someone who's unimpressed
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Post by The Fence End on Jan 14, 2017 9:45:40 GMT
From the BBC: "Oxford Utdfans group OxVox hope to have deal with Firoz Kassam to bring the Kassam Stadium into community ownership by end of season." It would be great to get rid of Kassam but would it be better if the Club owned it directly? I don't mean to be difficult just a question as Eales seemed unimpressed by the prospect of that. Where has de seemed unimpressed by it? The only things he has mentioned in his interviews is that he would like it done quicker , but has described it as a fantastic opportunity , funny words for someone who's unimpressed Like I said in another post I'll await Eales' and the club's response to this.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jan 14, 2017 14:11:51 GMT
Presumably any deal with ask that Kassam makes good some of the neglect on the stadium? Leaking roofs, power issues, etc. There is no good reason why the "community" he seems so fond of should pay to do items that should be done when they first arise.
ps. Good job OxVox
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Post by daveoufc on Jan 14, 2017 14:20:10 GMT
From the BBC: "Oxford Utdfans group OxVox hope to have deal with Firoz Kassam to bring the Kassam Stadium into community ownership by end of season." It would be great to get rid of Kassam but would it be better if the Club owned it directly? I don't mean to be difficult just a question as Eales seemed unimpressed by the prospect of that. Where has de seemed unimpressed by it? The only things he has mentioned in his interviews is that he would like it done quicker , but has described it as a fantastic opportunity , funny words for someone who's unimpressed The 1st interview on rad ox he seemed surprised of kassam s statement and deal with oxvox but supportive of idea. Mentions he already has a offer on table Then Starts questioning his own commitment to club falling out with ultras. Starts making timescale demands Falls out with council over training ground proposals. Goes in a different direction to oxvox talks about other opportunities and does a deal with oxford city. Releases programe notes early in the week oxvox were due to give a statement delaying said statement. Mentions hes been superceeded by oxvox Colin B one of oxvox top men tries to buy said programe notes via pay pal to find out what hes said. Does'nt seem impressed to me or that they are on the same page at all sadly.
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Post by Colin B on Jan 15, 2017 10:39:40 GMT
There is no relevance at all to me trying to buy the programme online. I was interested to read Darryl's notes, as others had commented on them. It may surprise some, but Darryl does not give OxVox a preview of his programme notes, and there is no reason why he should.
Complete red herring.
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Post by nottsyellow on Jan 15, 2017 12:06:06 GMT
I can't help feeling though that the club owning it's own ground, Grenoble Road or elsewhere, would be better. I'll await Eales' response to this but I think we're at risk of pushing out the best chairman we've had because of this then we could end up with the numpty sort referred to above. It appears, I assume, in simple terms, the current arrangement Oxvox are arranging will enable the Football Club to have full access to the Revenue Streams generated by the ground on matchdays and I assume any surplus profits from non-matchday activities (after loan repayments?) can be used towards improving the ground infrastructure and facilities for the benefit of OUFC. This is win, win for OUFC. Just as important, by keeping the ground away from the club it ensures any future potential buyer of the club is only buying for football reasons and not land and property reasons. This is win, win in the long term benefit of OUFC and its supporters. If done correctly, I'm sure DE will be delighted with the outcome. Oxvox seem to be making good steady progress so please can we give them as much encouragement as possible. Whilst in theory the setting up "a" trust and buying "a" stadium can be done in 12 weeks, I'm sure any deal involving FK involves legal loopholes which much be sorted 100% correctly and will take time. eg I assume one of the many complications is the car park(s) and the rights the Football Club will have on matchdays towards these. Oxvox need to think of every twist and turn and every legal possibility for the future. If they leave one stone unturned and something goes wrong, however small, in the future, just imagine the uproar on here! So in summary, whilst we all want it completed quickly we must let Oxvox have the right amount of time to get it completed 100% correct rather than having a job half done we regret in the future.
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Post by essexyellows on Jan 15, 2017 13:13:41 GMT
I can't help feeling though that the club owning it's own ground, Grenoble Road or elsewhere, would be better. I'll await Eales' response to this but I think we're at risk of pushing out the best chairman we've had because of this then we could end up with the numpty sort referred to above. My feeling is that DE would be quite happy with the " community" thing going ahead, providing he sees a reduction in rent and the ability to make money from bars, lounges etc. He has no huge financial layout to find and the club can be more self efficient with the additional income.This is very right.
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Post by daveoufc on Jan 15, 2017 15:03:06 GMT
There is no relevance at all to me trying to buy the programme online. I was interested to read Darryl's notes, as others had commented on them. It may surprise some, but Darryl does not give OxVox a preview of his programme notes, and there is no reason why he should. Complete red herring. Ok it just seemed a bit disjointed. I would of thought you would actually give each other the heads up before any statements get released. Iam sorry Colin thanks for responding While Iam on can you please confirm (just humour me) 1.Daryl is def 100% behind you 2. He wouldnt rather you put your deal on ice for a bit while he seeks alternative options to own a ground himself. 3. To your best knowledge he is still prepared to fund the club going forward while a deal is reached and beyond. I appreciate all you and others are doing I know you dont need this crap just genuinely concerened about the questions above cheers.
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Post by essexyellows on Jan 15, 2017 15:12:30 GMT
There is no relevance at all to me trying to buy the programme online. I was interested to read Darryl's notes, as others had commented on them. It may surprise some, but Darryl does not give OxVox a preview of his programme notes, and there is no reason why he should. Complete red herring. Ok it just seemed a bit disjointed. I would of thought you would actually give each other the heads up before any statements get released. Iam sorry Colin thanks for responding While Iam on can you please confirm (just humour me) 1.Daryl is def 100% behind you 2. He wouldnt rather you put your deal on ice for a bit while he seeks alternative options to own a ground himself. 3. To your best knowledge he is still prepared to fund the club going forward while a deal is reached and beyond. I appreciate all you and others are doing I know you dont need this crap just genuinely concerened about the questions above cheers. 3.
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Post by harrycarry on Jan 15, 2017 15:47:50 GMT
This is all a load of b*llshit. Our hopes lie with DE, unless another investor is prepared and able....
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Post by Colin B on Jan 15, 2017 15:57:43 GMT
There is no relevance at all to me trying to buy the programme online. I was interested to read Darryl's notes, as others had commented on them. It may surprise some, but Darryl does not give OxVox a preview of his programme notes, and there is no reason why he should. Complete red herring. Ok it just seemed a bit disjointed. I would of thought you would actually give each other the heads up before any statements get released. Iam sorry Colin thanks for responding While Iam on can you please confirm (just humour me) 1.Daryl is def 100% behind you 2. He wouldnt rather you put your deal on ice for a bit while he seeks alternative options to own a ground himself. 3. To your best knowledge he is still prepared to fund the club going forward while a deal is reached and beyond. I appreciate all you and others are doing I know you dont need this crap just genuinely concerened about the questions above cheers. Without going into specifics, we're pretty much on the same page. I'm wary of saying too much in detail, as some people like to forensically dissect every single word (that's not aimed at you daveoufc) on here. One thing I will confirm is that DE, FK, and OCC all saw and agreed with our recent statement before it was issued. .Darryl does give us a heads up on certain things, but we don't expect to see things like his programme notes before they're released. It just isn't viable, nor necessary.
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Post by headingtonutd on Jan 15, 2017 15:58:53 GMT
This is all a load of b*llshit. Our hopes lie with DE, unless another investor is prepared and able.... Wow, I hadn't thought of it that way. Your intelligent and reasoned argument has won me over. Oh no wait....
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 15, 2017 16:47:30 GMT
There is no relevance at all to me trying to buy the programme online. I was interested to read Darryl's notes, as others had commented on them. It may surprise some, but Darryl does not give OxVox a preview of his programme notes, and there is no reason why he should. Complete red herring. Ok it just seemed a bit disjointed. I would of thought you would actually give each other the heads up before any statements get released. Iam sorry Colin thanks for responding While Iam on can you please confirm (just humour me) 1.Daryl is def 100% behind you 2. He wouldnt rather you put your deal on ice for a bit while he seeks alternative options to own a ground himself. 3. To your best knowledge he is still prepared to fund the club going forward while a deal is reached and beyond. I appreciate all you and others are doing I know you dont need this crap just genuinely concerened about the questions above cheers. Why would he answer those? If they are not in the statement to members then take it that they can't or won't talk about it at the min. 3 times they have said that de is being kept up to speed, despite people still questioning it, even if they answer all ur questions it will just lead to further doubt and even more questions.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jan 15, 2017 17:44:58 GMT
There is no relevance at all to me trying to buy the programme online. I was interested to read Darryl's notes, as others had commented on them. It may surprise some, but Darryl does not give OxVox a preview of his programme notes, and there is no reason why he should. Complete red herring. Ok it just seemed a bit disjointed. I would of thought you would actually give each other the heads up before any statements get released. Iam sorry Colin thanks for responding While Iam on can you please confirm (just humour me) 1.Daryl is def 100% behind you 2. He wouldnt rather you put your deal on ice for a bit while he seeks alternative options to own a ground himself. 3. To your best knowledge he is still prepared to fund the club going forward while a deal is reached and beyond. I appreciate all you and others are doing I know you dont need this crap just genuinely concerened about the questions above cheers. Can I suggest you email Mr Eales to seek your answers? I think you're right, OxVox don't need this crap.
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Post by daveoufc on Jan 15, 2017 18:44:03 GMT
Thanks for taking the time to answer what u can Colin I appreciate it. Best of luck with it Ill leave it alone for a bit.
Didnt mean to upset u oufcyellow and pete I shall refrain from asking awkward questions in future. Psst There was a senior member guy who called the whole idea b*llshit further up you must have missed it.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 15, 2017 18:50:55 GMT
Not upset me mate, just Oxvox are taking a hell of a lot of stick at the min, due to the silence that needs to be in place for the deal to go ahead, so while there are valid questions that need asking ( and I have a few) it's just not the right time as they are unable to answer them. Colin, Simon and Jem have not posted on here anywhere near the amount they usually do, for that reason. De has more freedom to come out and issue statements to the press, as he's not in negotiations, or under clauses that stop him from doing so. Im sure the full details/plan will be made open for everyone to see as soon as possible, and then they will be more than happy to explain the decisions or answer any questions
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jan 15, 2017 18:52:33 GMT
Thanks for taking the time to answer what u can Colin I appreciate it. Best of luck with it Ill leave it alone for a bit. Didnt mean to upset u oufcyellow and pete I shall refrain from asking awkward questions in future. Psst There was a senior member guy who called the whole idea b*llshit further up you must have missed it. You didn't upset me Dave! And there's no reason you shouldn't ask awkward questions. In fact, it's to be encouraged! But why do you think OxVox should (or even could) answer those particular questions? They can't put details of their dealings on the forum for reasons of confidentiality, and to avoid derailing any progress. Yet because the detail is not made public some people assume no progress is being made, or invent conspiracies about Oxvox's relationship with the chairman. If you want to know how Mr Eales feels about anything, ask him. PS Not sure why you mentioned that a 'senior member' made some comment or other. That title reflects number of posts, that's all.
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Post by essexyellows on Jan 15, 2017 19:30:29 GMT
Ok it just seemed a bit disjointed. I would of thought you would actually give each other the heads up before any statements get released. Iam sorry Colin thanks for responding While Iam on can you please confirm (just humour me) 1.Daryl is def 100% behind you 2. He wouldnt rather you put your deal on ice for a bit while he seeks alternative options to own a ground himself. 3. To your best knowledge he is still prepared to fund the club going forward while a deal is reached and beyond. I appreciate all you and others are doing I know you dont need this crap just genuinely concerened about the questions above cheers. Can I suggest you email Mr Eales to seek your answers? I think you're right, OxVox don't need this crap. This is correct. Better still talk to him at games, he`s a very approachable & measured chap. At a wild guess he wouldn`t want sensitive stuff shared publicly and will tell you as much as is sensible. He may tell other parties more, that is the way it works. So, unless somebody has £15 million or so to spare,we have to accept it for what it is.
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Post by harrycarry on Jan 15, 2017 20:59:49 GMT
This is all a load of b*llshit. Our hopes lie with DE, unless another investor is prepared and able.... Wow, I hadn't thought of it that way. Your intelligent and reasoned argument has won me over. Oh no wait.... As you dont get it...the reason I didn't put an argument down is because there is no point. No one on here has enough money to sort out this mess. It's just bulls hit.
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