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Post by Mark on Dec 2, 2016 14:01:46 GMT
Reminds of the called off game at Newport on New Year's day a few years back. Pulled up at Hammersmith to pick up three London yellows, and took more than two minutes on double yellows to get them in and decide to pull away. Then drove to the other side of the road and waited in a bay to see if match called off. Then got a letter with two parking tickets for £65 each (if i paid within 14 days). On camera for three minutes on double yellows, then one minute later for about ten minutes in what was apparently a loading bay (despite no-one doing any loading at 10am on New Year's Day).
This I thought I might stand a chance of challenging as it was the council themselves, rather than a contracted out company.
But no, the penalties stood, and if I wanted to take it to appeal would have risked them doubling to £130 each.
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Post by Mark on Dec 2, 2016 14:05:05 GMT
I have just come back from examining the car park. There are signs everywhere informing us of the conditions in which you are allowed to park, on almost every post I could find so saying you did not see a sign is no option. I intend to do the following. send a recorded letter to the parking company whose address appears on the reverse of the invoice apologising to them, also pointing out that £100 is an excessive charge for less than three hours parking which prevented them from utilising the particular space the vehicle was parked in. I am going to point out that the premium parking charges charged by Oxford City Council are the highest around and that I will make a full and final contribution of £50 for the vehicle being parked in the car park and also mention that I am a regular supporter of the Holiday Inn bar pre matches so does this make me a "patron" of the hotel as indicated on the signage. Hopefully they will accept this and bring it to an end. I won't be parking there again that's for sure. Doubt you'll have any luck as it's not the hotel and their goodwill you are appealing to. It's to a contracted out company who are in it for the money.
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Post by essexyellows on Dec 2, 2016 15:19:53 GMT
Parking Eye? Goodwill? Ho,ho,ho.
Your letter will arrive with part payment, they won`t process that until past the due date & then you`ll get clobbered for the rest plus extras.
There is a simplistic solution to not having to "fight your corner"....... park legally or within the remit of restrictions on private land.
Interesting side fact.....you are no longer allowed to clamp offending vehicles on public land (eg: hospitals etc) .....but you can have them towed/lifted.... we`ve had some very unhappy customers at the factory, although the best one was the transit parked up next to a skip of scrap metal. The two Irish gentlemen went to the local pub waiting for it to get dark...... they saw their van on the pick up wagon as it drove past the window...not happy at all.
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Post by oxymoron on Dec 2, 2016 19:23:05 GMT
I've seen one of the tickets today and as the "charge" is reduced to £60 if you pay by 10th Dec, you may as well pay that if you aren't going to appeal the whole thing.
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Post by saddletramp on Dec 2, 2016 22:42:16 GMT
A friend of mine had a similar charge applied at Lidl on the Watlington rd,he worked at BMW and used to leave it there all day. They had him over 20 times and the fine had run into thousands,he fought it and took it all the way. By the time it got to court (9 months)he was working elsewhere. The firm showed the films of him entering at 5.45 and leaving at 14.05,his solicitor demanded to see the shots of every car entering the car park in the 8 hours in between,obviously they didnt have that much footage,when the judge asked why ? His brief said that his client used to call in on the way to work for food and popped in again afterwards for some grub for his tea and the footage of his car were 2 separate visits. He won because the couldnt prove otherwise. Now i know its not worth taking it all the way for a few quid,but couldnt you say you dropped a mate off and popped in for a p*ss,then went in after the match to drag him away from the bar,2 visits.
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Post by tonto on Dec 18, 2016 0:24:08 GMT
I have always ignored these tickets about five so far all since 2012 and so far in spite of some threatening letters have received no court summonses.You must not respond at all.
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Post by petechilton on Dec 18, 2016 11:06:33 GMT
The key with these parking notices (they're not fines) is that the company has to prove who the driver was. They write to the registered owner in the hope that they will pay up in ignorance of the legislation.
Write to them pointing that, whilst you're the registered owner, they are required to confirm who was driving it at the time.
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Post by pooroldboy on Dec 18, 2016 12:41:11 GMT
Can some one explain after 15 years why there are now yellow lines on Grenoble road towards Sandford ?
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Post by makv on Dec 18, 2016 12:48:50 GMT
Can some one explain after 15 years why there are now yellow lines on Grenoble road towards Sandford ? Easy revenue for the City Council.
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Post by myles on Dec 18, 2016 15:47:25 GMT
The key with these parking notices (they're not fines) is that the company has to prove who the driver was. They write to the registered owner in the hope that they will pay up in ignorance of the legislation. Write to them pointing that, whilst you're the registered owner, they are required to confirm who was driving it at the time. Sorry Pete but you're out of date with this advice. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 gives the parking companies authority to pursue the registered keeper (RK) if the RK doesn't indicate who the driver was within 28 days of receiving a Notice to Keeper. So, they DON'T have to prove who the driver was.
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Post by foley on Dec 18, 2016 21:34:20 GMT
I have always ignored these tickets about five so far all since 2012 and so far in spite of some threatening letters have received no court summonses.You must not respond at all. I reckon that is a very risky approach. You don't want to get a CCJ and why risk screwing up your credit history?
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Post by McVicar on Dec 19, 2016 9:43:16 GMT
AFC Wimbledon away a couple of years ago, I received a PCN for £65 for driving in a bus lane. I was not aware I had done this so questioned it and they were able to provide video footage of the incident, it showed the bus lane approaching some traffic lights, where I was wanting to turn left, the bus lane ended about 20 yards before the traffic lights and I signalled left and just 2 of my wheels slightly entered the bus lane. Harsh or what!
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Post by petechilton on Dec 19, 2016 12:59:29 GMT
The key with these parking notices (they're not fines) is that the company has to prove who the driver was. They write to the registered owner in the hope that they will pay up in ignorance of the legislation. Write to them pointing that, whilst you're the registered owner, they are required to confirm who was driving it at the time. Sorry Pete but you're out of date with this advice. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 gives the parking companies authority to pursue the registered keeper (RK) if the RK doesn't indicate who the driver was within 28 days of receiving a Notice to Keeper. So, they DON'T have to prove who the driver was. I only say that as I received a parking notice earlier this year and wrote back on that basis. I subsequently got a letter confirming the charge had been cancelled.
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Post by myles on Dec 19, 2016 14:48:16 GMT
I only say that as I received a parking notice earlier this year and wrote back on that basis. I subsequently got a letter confirming the charge had been cancelled. Fair enough Pete. It may have been a location where POFA doesn't apply (usually places covered by by-laws, such as railway stations, hospitals, and airports), or it may have been the sort of firm who don't fight any sort of battle and are just happy to take the income from those who pay up without a whimper! I won an appeal against a council-issued ticket where I was pretty much bang to rights and I strongly suspect that was because they simply couldn't be bothered to fight.
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Post by bbl1 on Dec 19, 2016 19:43:29 GMT
As Myles as said on this post , this parking fine etc , is a different ball game from 2012 to now! But its always worth a try to avoid the payment , but just leaving it and hope it will go away days have long gone.
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Post by tonto on Dec 21, 2016 1:57:35 GMT
I have to say I just dont agree with a lot of the above. The fact is that it costs a lot of money to bring a private prosecution to a county court I think somewhere in the region of 20,000 pounds.In most cases if you put up a half decent defense you will be liable to pay the original fine say 60 quid but the parking company will have to pay the costs.Consequently they dont want to actually go to court and they just send you letters threatening impending court ccj,s etc and a lot of people get scared and pay up.If you respond in any way to any of their letters you are making yourself a target because they now have proof that you have recieved their demands. If you dont respond they cannot be sure and cannot legally prove that you have received any of their summons(obviously you dont sign for any recorded letters).These companies are not the police they dont have the power to investigate you or your affairs.They also dont have the manpower ,up till quite recently parking eye was run by a couple of people out of a small house in lancashire with a large mailing operation but nothing else.I have ignored five of these so far the most recent in 2015.You only get a ccj if you ignore a summons and fail to pay the fine.They cannot prove that you have received any of their letters if they are not signed for. They are just parasites they dont own any of this parking space they have just inserted themselves into the process and must be ignored.Dont fall for the scam.
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Post by myles on Dec 21, 2016 9:03:27 GMT
I have to say I just dont agree with a lot of the above. The fact is that it costs a lot of money to bring a private prosecution to a county court I think somewhere in the region of 20,000 pounds. You may not agree with what others have posted, but the rest of your post shows that you simply don't understand the legal process. A few points: - it doesn't cost anything like £20,000 to make a claim in the county court. For the sums involved with a parking ticket it's more like £35 for the court fees. - documents are legally deemed as "served" if they are sent by first class post. That's precisely why they DON'T send things by recorded delivery, because then you can refuse delivery. - Parking Eye DO take plenty of cases to court. They have even taken a case all the way to the Supreme Court. There is a court centre at Northampton which deals solely with civil parking/traffic matters such is the volume of cases. - yes, they are trying to "scare" people into paying up, but just ignoring their demands is not going to help. So, you may have ignored five tickets, but I'd wager that the parking company haven't forgotten about them and in the fullness of time will try and enforce these.
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