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Post by stewdonald on Oct 26, 2016 16:19:16 GMT
The incentive is the huge increase he would get by not having to provide replacement car parking whilst also being able to work the site much better for development. These two factors to Firoz is worth vastly over £10 million in extra revenue - probably over £15 million. He would of course be able to develop the car park at the far end also as well as the stadium itself as the need to provide so much car parking disappears drastically.
CPF may well be a non runner I would have just thought it would make more sense for council money to be spent on an existing site where you get a contribution from Kassam rather than purchase one from him. It is a very simplistic argument I grant you but there is no doubt there is a big upside for Kassam in this idea and the reality it that to get a deal done I would suspect that is what he is looking for.
Probably a non runner but as I mentioned it is just a back up idea if the numbers run away a little once negotiations get going at Grenoble Road.
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Post by Yellowbrains on Oct 26, 2016 16:28:43 GMT
As it stands, that kind of development is impossible at Court Place Farm because of where it is situated. Development at the ground is limited at its current height levels (about 2 stories) because it sits in the line of a protected view of the city skyline from the surrounding hills. I don't know whether the council would be able to have that restriction removed, but they certainly haven't been prepared to relax it whenever City have wanted to develop in the past. The ridiculous thing is that this 'protected' view has already been partially obscured by the massive John Radcliffe Hospital next door, but apparently hospitals and military buildings are exempt!
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 26, 2016 16:33:43 GMT
The only things I can see with this is it would be more likely to happen with a sale to an individual than to a trust. If it was a serious possibly fk would have suggested it. It seems fk for some reason would rather leave a legacy or community asset. Also would that area work for housing? The cinema, bowling was built out of town for a reason, develop the stadium into housing and u get a domestic area sandwiched between a couple of hotels and retail complex. Of which the carpark would still have to remain
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 26, 2016 16:41:21 GMT
As it stands, that kind of development is impossible at Court Place Farm because of where it is situated. Development at the ground is limited at its current height levels (about 2 stories) because it sits in the line of a protected view of the city skyline from the surrounding hills. I don't know whether the council would be able to have that restriction removed, but they certainly haven't been prepared to relax it whenever City have wanted to develop in the past. The ridiculous thing is that this 'protected' view has already been partially obscured by the massive John Radcliffe Hospital next door, but apparently hospitals and military buildings are exempt! What about the 3/4 story flats that have been built where the cavalier used to be, and the massive new building on northway playing field, which pretty much backs into cpf
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Post by Yellowbrains on Oct 26, 2016 17:03:34 GMT
As it stands, that kind of development is impossible at Court Place Farm because of where it is situated. Development at the ground is limited at its current height levels (about 2 stories) because it sits in the line of a protected view of the city skyline from the surrounding hills. I don't know whether the council would be able to have that restriction removed, but they certainly haven't been prepared to relax it whenever City have wanted to develop in the past. The ridiculous thing is that this 'protected' view has already been partially obscured by the massive John Radcliffe Hospital next door, but apparently hospitals and military buildings are exempt! What about the 3/4 story flats that have been built where the cavalier used to be, and the massive new building on northway playing field, which pretty much backs into cpf I couldn't possibly say. All I know is that Oxford City have been prevented from developing the site any more extensively than they already have and that's the reason why.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 26, 2016 17:20:32 GMT
What about the 3/4 story flats that have been built where the cavalier used to be, and the massive new building on northway playing field, which pretty much backs into cpf I couldn't possibly say. All I know is that Oxford City have been prevented from developing the site any more extensively than they already have and that's the reason why. Sounds crazy, I can't even think what house would have their line of sight of the city blocked, apart from Barton, and they must be way more elevated anyway
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Post by iambungle on Oct 26, 2016 22:47:46 GMT
You could of course go the other way. Get £8 million off Kassam to leave Grenoble Road (reckon u might even get £10 million) and use it to develop Oxford City. Develop a car park the other side of the bypass. Great access and with the building of new Barton would just be a couple of extra fields below it. You could redevelop two sides of Court Place Farm and increase capacity. If the council would then fund say a £4 million loan you could build another stand and you would have a ground easily as good as the current one for a small loan to the council. Keep the best stand for now that is there and we could grow the ground as needed. Buying the Kassam is likely to be far more expensive and will need quite a lot of money spent on it to bring it up to standard - whereas as with the £12 million you would get from moving (there may even be grants available - don't know and naming rights) you would have 3 new stands that could be designed much better than the existing ones and would be brand new. There is also the argument of a quick bus service from Oxford Parkway which would be just up the road. Not quite Water Eaton deal that some would like but it is a good spot for the ground and Kassam would definitely go for it as he would maximise his income from Grenoble Road. It ONLY hinges on the council saying yes and the organisation of some car parking on the field across the road. Even then people say new grounds don't have car parking! We also don't have to worry about sharing the car park on a saturday and I am sure all the families that want to go to the cinema and bowling would prefer to do so without the club there. Win Win. One thing with the Kassam is we are so far away from the pitch that the atmosphere is not as good as it could be - this would give us a chance to improve that and we will never do that at the Kassam. The Manor used to be tight and had a great atmosphere at times. You can also build slightly steeper stands now so with a steeper rake you can have a much smaller footprint. It may be a way not to burden the club with too much debt and get an improved stadium. However I do not know the proposed detail on the stadium and the council may well have said no already. The reality is the council already have a site for football in the city so why not just improve it rather than have 2 and use Kassam's money to pay for it rather than give him some more. Funding is the big issue when buying the Kassam. Oxvox have done superbly to get Kassam to the table and now it comes down to money. This is where it gets difficult - there may well be plans but if money becomes an issue this could be a good back up plan. I'm an ex-Marston boy IHorseman Close, right opposite CPF to be precise) and access to CPF is not "great" at all it is shocking. Granted the Eastern Bypass has been suffering because of the roadworks at both ends but even so, that bit of road could not cope with our crowds. More importantly, apart from the Red Lion (& the Vicky Arms) there aren't any pubs with 3 miles of the place.
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Post by iambungle on Oct 26, 2016 22:49:07 GMT
What about the 3/4 story flats that have been built where the cavalier used to be, and the massive new building on northway playing field, which pretty much backs into cpf I couldn't possibly say. All I know is that Oxford City have been prevented from developing the site any more extensively than they already have and that's the reason why. **coughs** Port Meadow **coughs** University
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Post by Junior on Oct 27, 2016 1:39:12 GMT
You could of course go the other way. Get £8 million off Kassam to leave Grenoble Road (reckon u might even get £10 million) and use it to develop Oxford City. Develop a car park the other side of the bypass. Great access and with the building of new Barton would just be a couple of extra fields below it. You could redevelop two sides of Court Place Farm and increase capacity. If the council would then fund say a £4 million loan you could build another stand and you would have a ground easily as good as the current one for a small loan to the council. Keep the best stand for now that is there and we could grow the ground as needed. Buying the Kassam is likely to be far more expensive and will need quite a lot of money spent on it to bring it up to standard - whereas as with the £12 million you would get from moving (there may even be grants available - don't know and naming rights) you would have 3 new stands that could be designed much better than the existing ones and would be brand new. There is also the argument of a quick bus service from Oxford Parkway which would be just up the road. Not quite Water Eaton deal that some would like but it is a good spot for the ground and Kassam would definitely go for it as he would maximise his income from Grenoble Road. It ONLY hinges on the council saying yes and the organisation of some car parking on the field across the road. Even then people say new grounds don't have car parking! We also don't have to worry about sharing the car park on a saturday and I am sure all the families that want to go to the cinema and bowling would prefer to do so without the club there. Win Win. One thing with the Kassam is we are so far away from the pitch that the atmosphere is not as good as it could be - this would give us a chance to improve that and we will never do that at the Kassam. The Manor used to be tight and had a great atmosphere at times. You can also build slightly steeper stands now so with a steeper rake you can have a much smaller footprint. It may be a way not to burden the club with too much debt and get an improved stadium. However I do not know the proposed detail on the stadium and the council may well have said no already. The reality is the council already have a site for football in the city so why not just improve it rather than have 2 and use Kassam's money to pay for it rather than give him some more. Funding is the big issue when buying the Kassam. Oxvox have done superbly to get Kassam to the table and now it comes down to money. This is where it gets difficult - there may well be plans but if money becomes an issue this could be a good back up plan. I'm an ex-Marston boy IHorseman Close, right opposite CPF to be precise) and access to CPF is not "great" at all it is shocking. Granted the Eastern Bypass has been suffering because of the roadworks at both ends but even so, that bit of road could not cope with our crowds. More importantly, apart from the Red Lion (& the Vicky Arms) there aren't any pubs with 3 miles of the place. Headington pubs are walkable if cutting through via JR back of Northway. Agree about roads in and out. Also can't see the council giving up CPF to Oufc. Does to many good things in the local community to potential lose.
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Post by outsidethebox on Oct 27, 2016 14:55:53 GMT
Why did alfonso get suspended - just asking.
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Post by pooroldboy on Oct 27, 2016 15:05:37 GMT
yes why?
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 27, 2016 20:47:29 GMT
Presumably there were some signs they were a member that perhaps has been here under another guise and banned. Some people have agendas they just wanna push
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Post by pooroldboy on Nov 7, 2016 10:58:24 GMT
I see from your notes to last meeting the sale of ground could take sometime are you sure mr K is not not just taking you for a ride this cold go on for years and years.Is he only saying this as DE has put in an offer and he just doesnt want to sell full stop Not going to ask do you trust him BUT !!!!!!
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Nov 7, 2016 11:12:10 GMT
I see from your notes to last meeting the sale of ground could take sometime are you sure mr K is not not just taking you for a ride this cold go on for years and years.Is he only saying this as DE has put in an offer and he just doesnt want to sell full stop Not going to ask do you trust him BUT !!!!!! Not speaking for OxVox (only as a member), but if there is a chance that this might happen they have to investigate it. Those on the OV committee are of course well aware of Kassam's past record and of course there is the possibility that he will not follow through with his declared good intentions - but it does need looking at seriously.
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Post by pooroldboy on Nov 7, 2016 11:21:14 GMT
Yes dont get me wrong im all for OXVOX.But history of some come into this remember the journey. Just to add would also be prepared to put money in if we had something like crowd funding.
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Post by pooroldboy on Nov 7, 2016 11:36:37 GMT
did put cloud funding to start with a mistake by me,good old edit tool wish they had had that when i was at school, but perhaps this is all pie in the sky, hope not cheers POB
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