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Post by uptheus on Oct 12, 2016 6:50:49 GMT
I'm an OXVOX life member and I fully support Jem and the committee, but I just can't see where the money is coming from? We don't have the group of 'high nett worth' individuals that Pompey had. And am I the only one who thinks that this should not be playing out in public? Sorry, but as Luke Skywalker said as the Millennium Falcon approached the Death Star: "I've got a bad feeling about this". [70s reference for you youngsters] I would assume that we will get an update relatively soon which will give more of the detail. Oxvox appear to have been putting in a whole load of work on this and the financing will undoubtedly be one of the things that they are trying to find a solution on. I don't believe money will actually change hands. Like I've said before, I think it'll be the offer of development land for houses and something linked to the overflow car park with linkages with the council.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 12, 2016 7:12:43 GMT
Then all u have to agree is, terms between the stadium trust and club. How much rent is paid who takes what profit, how does it work if de pays for say £5m worth of new stands. Will Oufc still be primary tenants with other events fitting around us.
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Post by thesecretposter on Oct 12, 2016 7:35:06 GMT
I don't think he's "throwing his toys out of the pram". There's clearly a dispute be it justified or not and unfortunately while Kassam still owns the stadium he has every right to stop anything happening if he thinks he's owed money. Look at it in another way. If you owned a house with tenants in and they wanted you to put up a fence for example in the garden but they hadn't paid their rent for 2 months would you do it for them? Yes it might be a little childish from Kassam but if he's owed money he's owed money. I'm not for one minute taking his side but just looking at the situation logically. He's a businessman at the end of the day and is out to make money. In the corporate world a couple of thousand can cause people to do petty things. I wouldn't pay a landlord full rent if I'd communicated to him on numerous times that the property wasn't meeting the right level of standards or what was originally agreed. By not paying him/her I'd like to think it would bring them to the table to discuss, especially if that person was totally motivated by money ONLY. Great move by DE and added more pressure in getting the deal done in a 10-12 week period, especially if buyer and seller wanted to do a deal. This puts the ball firmly back in Kassam's court. He must be royally p*ssed off. Now that's clever. Really?? Upsetting the man who owns the stadium that we as fans and to a greater extent club owners want to buy off him. Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't know enough of what is/isn't owed (which you seem to) to enter into a constructive conversation I'm just commenting on what I've seen in black and white. I don't personally think the club have handled things particularly well if they wanted to buy the stadium as DE has admitted. Maybe he is being childish because he knows or has known for a period of time that he won't be able to buy it. Kassam is driven by money he's a businessman and clearly wants the best deal possible but the club referring to the stadium as Grenoble Road is petty and disrespectful. As I've said I'm not for one minute taking sides with FK but there's two sides to every story. The club should, which is unfortunate be keeping the stadium owner on side if nothing else other than to help in the smooth transition of the stadium purchase.
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Post by KLYellow on Oct 12, 2016 7:39:25 GMT
I don't think he's "throwing his toys out of the pram". There's clearly a dispute be it justified or not and unfortunately while Kassam still owns the stadium he has every right to stop anything happening if he thinks he's owed money. Look at it in another way. If you owned a house with tenants in and they wanted you to put up a fence for example in the garden but they hadn't paid their rent for 2 months would you do it for them? Yes it might be a little childish from Kassam but if he's owed money he's owed money. I'm not for one minute taking his side but just looking at the situation logically. He's a businessman at the end of the day and is out to make money. In the corporate world a couple of thousand can cause people to do petty things. I wouldn't pay a landlord full rent if I'd communicated to him on numerous times that the property wasn't meeting the right level of standards or what was originally agreed. By not paying him/her I'd like to think it would bring them to the table to discuss, especially if that person was totally motivated by money ONLY. Great move by DE and added more pressure in getting the deal done in a 10-12 week period, especially if buyer and seller wanted to do a deal. This puts the ball firmly back in Kassam's court. He must be royally p*ssed off. Now that's clever. Anyone knows or will tell you, if you have any disagreement with a landlord, the last thing you shouldn't do is not pay your rent, etc.
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Post by grumpygit on Oct 12, 2016 8:03:54 GMT
More fan pressure is needed to get the council to push Kassam to get the Priory sorted. He has a duty to fulfill. Being Kassam he moans when he's not getting his money, but won't spend it when duty bound.
Anyone got the details on who to contact at the council?
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Post by dannyboy on Oct 12, 2016 17:55:29 GMT
We don't know the full story, but if it is such a small amount of money owed to kassam, then are the lub just shooting themselves in the foot with the extra revenue they could earn with the stand there. That maybe over simplifies it, but that's what it looks like on the surface.
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Post by londonroader on Oct 12, 2016 19:20:11 GMT
We don't know the full story, but if it is such a small amount of money owed to kassam, then are the lub just shooting themselves in the foot with the extra revenue they could earn with the stand there. That maybe over simplifies it, but that's what it looks like on the surface. I thought it has been quoted the temp 4th stand would be of no financial gain to the club because of its costs!
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Post by harrycarry on Oct 12, 2016 19:34:25 GMT
Anyone know if it is OUfC or The Stadium Company that is responsible for the toilets, and if the latter what is their email so that I can complain.
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Post by uptheus on Oct 12, 2016 20:18:07 GMT
I wouldn't pay a landlord full rent if I'd communicated to him on numerous times that the property wasn't meeting the right level of standards or what was originally agreed. By not paying him/her I'd like to think it would bring them to the table to discuss, especially if that person was totally motivated by money ONLY. Great move by DE and added more pressure in getting the deal done in a 10-12 week period, especially if buyer and seller wanted to do a deal. This puts the ball firmly back in Kassam's court. He must be royally p*ssed off. Now that's clever. Really?? Upsetting the man who owns the stadium that we as fans and to a greater extent club owners want to buy off him. Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't know enough of what is/isn't owed (which you seem to) to enter into a constructive conversation I'm just commenting on what I've seen in black and white. I don't personally think the club have handled things particularly well if they wanted to buy the stadium as DE has admitted. Maybe he is being childish because he knows or has known for a period of time that he won't be able to buy it. Kassam is driven by money he's a businessman and clearly wants the best deal possible but the club referring to the stadium as Grenoble Road is petty and disrespectful. As I've said I'm not for one minute taking sides with FK but there's two sides to every story. The club should, which is unfortunate be keeping the stadium owner on side if nothing else other than to help in the smooth transition of the stadium purchase. Kassam has asked you to jump so how high are you going to jump?
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Post by scoob on Oct 13, 2016 0:49:47 GMT
Really?? Upsetting the man who owns the stadium that we as fans and to a greater extent club owners want to buy off him. Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't know enough of what is/isn't owed (which you seem to) to enter into a constructive conversation I'm just commenting on what I've seen in black and white. I don't personally think the club have handled things particularly well if they wanted to buy the stadium as DE has admitted. Maybe he is being childish because he knows or has known for a period of time that he won't be able to buy it. Kassam is driven by money he's a businessman and clearly wants the best deal possible but the club referring to the stadium as Grenoble Road is petty and disrespectful. As I've said I'm not for one minute taking sides with FK but there's two sides to every story. The club should, which is unfortunate be keeping the stadium owner on side if nothing else other than to help in the smooth transition of the stadium purchase.[/quote Kassam has asked you to jump so how high are you going to jump? That is fair comment and at some point the actions of the Landlord have to be challenged but history tends to show us that Kassam has the law on his side (i.e. he operates within the law). I hope that the Club win this argument but the could just end up with a large legal bill and fees to pay. There has to become a point where there is a challenge to his actions but the last time they were challenged he came out on top.
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Post by Junior on Oct 13, 2016 2:32:01 GMT
On that ^^ how has he managed to get out of the agreed work on The Priory?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 11:36:57 GMT
Ka££am is a c**t. Yet again he is holding the club to ransom, some Custodian! What about the 1,000's DE has spent on the pitch and scoreboard, Firoz? Ka££am has OUFC over a barrel and if he can't do a deal to get housing to make even more cash from OUFC there is no way he is going to let the stadium go to anyone else who might just benefit from the deal. Ka££am will continue to milk OUFC for as much and as long as he possibly can.
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Post by Junior on Oct 14, 2016 12:06:15 GMT
That's ^^ my thinking as well. He's going to want, from the council, guarantees that he's allowed to build (think Priory) if he (ever) sells.
Taking into account the rent he's got from us and the one off payment. With all the yearly payments from the outlets on the complex and the possibility (it'll happen) of housing. A certain gentleman is going to be laughing all the way to the bank.
Firoz Kassam, a first class w*nker but a first class business man.
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Post by Si Bradbury on Oct 14, 2016 18:08:01 GMT
Ka££am is a c**t. Yet again he is holding the club to ransom, some Custodian! What about the 1,000's DE has spent on the pitch and scoreboard, Firoz? Ka££am has OUFC over a barrel and if he can't do a deal to get housing to make even more cash from OUFC there is no way he is going to let the stadium go to anyone else who might just benefit from the deal. Ka££am will continue to milk OUFC for as much and as long as he possibly can. Why is he holding the club to ransom? There is a business dispute which unfortunately has currently put the 4th stand on hold. Perfectly understandable. As for scoreboard, what has that got to do with Fk? And despite the best attempts, this stadium is called The Kassam Stadium, not some self-made name, like Grenoble Road, which now adorns the matchday programme.
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Post by foley on Oct 14, 2016 19:17:42 GMT
Ka££am is a c**t. Yet again he is holding the club to ransom, some Custodian! What about the 1,000's DE has spent on the pitch and scoreboard, Firoz? Ka££am has OUFC over a barrel and if he can't do a deal to get housing to make even more cash from OUFC there is no way he is going to let the stadium go to anyone else who might just benefit from the deal. Ka££am will continue to milk OUFC for as much and as long as he possibly can. Why is he holding the club to ransom? There is a business dispute which unfortunately has currently put the 4th stand on hold. Perfectly understandable. As for scoreboard, what has that got to do with Fk? And despite the best attempts, this stadium is called The Kassam Stadium, not some self-made name, like Grenoble Road, which now adorns the matchday programme. I don't think it unreasonable that supporters especially who have had enough of FK (who let's face it has hardly been good for OUFc since he sold the club and not the ground -and even before) don't want to call it the Kassam Stadium. There is a serious view that FK is bad for the club. OK so the 4th stand being on hold is 'perfectly understandable'. I am not sure that I agree. In a mutually respectful relationship with customer and owner should this really happen? Sure FK is a hard nosed businessman. Understood and agreed. But OUFC are a paying customer who pay a huge amount of money each year. I am not sure that 'Customer Service' come particularly high on Mr K's agenda!
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 14, 2016 19:24:48 GMT
Works both ways though, de says fk knows where I am if he wants to talk about it. Firoz is probably thinking he same. Petty name calling of the stadium is only going to have one effect, what positive would ever come of it? Fk suddenly says ok u win have it for £1m. Rise above it, be the bigger man, keep your enemies close. Don't think there's a phrase p*ss off the only person you can deal with to solve the situation. We all know what's he's like, we all know he only likes 2 things, money and having his ego massaged.
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Post by minime on Oct 14, 2016 21:18:40 GMT
Firoz Kassam, a first class w*nker but a first class business man. There it is. Bang on the money!
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Post by old on Oct 15, 2016 8:34:07 GMT
Ka££am is a c**t. Yet again he is holding the club to ransom, some Custodian! What about the 1,000's DE has spent on the pitch and scoreboard, Firoz? Ka££am has OUFC over a barrel and if he can't do a deal to get housing to make even more cash from OUFC there is no way he is going to let the stadium go to anyone else who might just benefit from the deal. Ka££am will continue to milk OUFC for as much and as long as he possibly can. Why is he holding the club to ransom? There is a business dispute which unfortunately has currently put the 4th stand on hold. Perfectly understandable. As for scoreboard, what has that got to do with Fk? And despite the best attempts, this stadium is called The Kassam Stadium, not some self-made name, like Grenoble Road, which now adorns the matchday programme. I find that this is an interesting reply to RTO. from a purely personal view, I would support a man who has put £ms of his own money into OUFC to make our club successful over a man who has taken £ms out to the detriment of our club. As I stated just a personal opinion and one I would stand by 100%.
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Post by Si Bradbury on Oct 15, 2016 10:59:52 GMT
Why is he holding the club to ransom? There is a business dispute which unfortunately has currently put the 4th stand on hold. Perfectly understandable. As for scoreboard, what has that got to do with Fk? And despite the best attempts, this stadium is called The Kassam Stadium, not some self-made name, like Grenoble Road, which now adorns the matchday programme. I find that this is an interesting reply to RTO. from a purely personal view, I would support a man who has put £ms of his own money into OUFC to make our club successful over a man who has taken £ms out to the detriment of our club. As I stated just a personal opinion and one I would stand by 100%. Respect your view on this sensitive subject. Do you think it at all beneficial calling the club's ground a completely different name? Do you think it's Kassam's responsibility to pay for a scoreboard? Do you think a business dispute would stop meaningful talks on a 4th stand? I get completely what people think of Kassam. I think he knows why people dislike him so much. But I'm just trying to add balance to the claim hes having us over on the three questions above.
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Post by Mark on Oct 15, 2016 11:53:52 GMT
Well as we only have a licence to use the stadium and in theory Kassam could have rugby, American football, hockey played there as well, then maintaining a scoreboard is part of stadco's remit. In my opinion.
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Post by old on Oct 15, 2016 12:08:50 GMT
We all have an opinion and you could ask these questions :- Is it right to let the stadium fall into disrepair Is it right to leave toilets in the condition they are in Is it right to veto the chance for the club to own the stadium Is it right to leave the priory as it is
All valid question that supporters are and have been asking. One question that has an answer is
Who has brought the club into its current position
We will all agree on that answer
Just my opinion of course
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Post by finlandia on Oct 15, 2016 12:36:25 GMT
That's easy - it's Nick Merry
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Post by yellows1 on Oct 20, 2016 23:43:12 GMT
Ka££am is a c**t. Yet again he is holding the club to ransom, some Custodian! What about the 1,000's DE has spent on the pitch and scoreboard, Firoz? Ka££am has OUFC over a barrel and if he can't do a deal to get housing to make even more cash from OUFC there is no way he is going to let the stadium go to anyone else who might just benefit from the deal. Ka££am will continue to milk OUFC for as much and as long as he possibly can. Why is he holding the club to ransom? There is a business dispute which unfortunately has currently put the 4th stand on hold. Perfectly understandable. As for scoreboard, what has that got to do with Fk? And despite the best attempts, this stadium is called The Kassam Stadium, not some self-made name, like Grenoble Road, which now adorns the matchday programme. Because it's Kassams stadium, he should have paid for the scoreboard and pitch relay, he's a prize *unt!
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Post by upthecowboys on Oct 21, 2016 9:14:02 GMT
Why is he holding the club to ransom? There is a business dispute which unfortunately has currently put the 4th stand on hold. Perfectly understandable. As for scoreboard, what has that got to do with Fk? And despite the best attempts, this stadium is called The Kassam Stadium, not some self-made name, like Grenoble Road, which now adorns the matchday programme. Because it's Kassams stadium, he should have paid for the scoreboard and pitch relay, he's a prize *unt! I don't like it but I reckon contractually Kassam only needs to provide an adequate playing surface to play on - one that in normal weather conditions would pass pitch inspections etc. I doubt he is contractually obliged to provide the high quality pitch we currently have. Fair play to DE, he chose to invest in a higher quality pitch and that played a part in last years promotion.
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Post by daveoufc on Oct 21, 2016 12:17:51 GMT
I see how he could argue on the pitch but surely he has to have the scoreboard and floodlights repaired or replaced at his expense in a resonable time frame.
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Post by myles on Oct 21, 2016 13:27:04 GMT
I see how he could argue on the pitch but surely he has to have the scoreboard and floodlights repaired or replaced at his expense in a resonable time frame. Depends what it says in the licence agreement for use of the stadium. As I recall, it doesn't say anything about a scoreboard in there. Off the top of my head, I'm not sure when the previous scoreboard was installed or who paid for it. But if it was the club rather than StadCo, the precedent had been set. And it's more of a "nice to have" anyway. The floodlights though are clearly a "must have" for the stadium to operate properly. But, similar to the pitch, provided they meet the FA and League's minimum requirements, Kassam isn't in breach of the agreement.
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Post by scoob on Oct 21, 2016 14:57:11 GMT
Because it's Kassams stadium, he should have paid for the scoreboard and pitch relay, he's a prize *unt! I don't like it but I reckon contractually Kassam only needs to provide an adequate playing surface to play on - one that in normal weather conditions would pass pitch inspections etc. I doubt he is contractually obliged to provide the high quality pitch we currently have. Fair play to DE, he chose to invest in a higher quality pitch and that played a part in last years promotion. Kassam is contractually obliged to maintain the pitch to the standard required by a reasonable professional football club in the same league as the club. So that leaves plenty of room for interpretation.
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Post by scoob on Oct 21, 2016 15:06:57 GMT
I see how he could argue on the pitch but surely he has to have the scoreboard and floodlights repaired or replaced at his expense in a resonable time frame. Depends what it says in the licence agreement for use of the stadium. As I recall, it doesn't say anything about a scoreboard in there. Off the top of my head, I'm not sure when the previous scoreboard was installed or who paid for it. But if it was the club rather than StadCo, the precedent had been set. And it's more of a "nice to have" anyway. The floodlights though are clearly a "must have" for the stadium to operate properly. But, similar to the pitch, provided they meet the FA and League's minimum requirements, Kassam isn't in breach of the agreement. I can't see any mention of the scoreboard in the agreement. It does say that fixtures and fittings need to be maintained but that depends on whether there was a scoreboard in place at the start of the Licence Agreement. There was an issue over the TV screens several years ago and the Stadco would not replace the broken screens. Didn't KT arrange for the club to replace them via a sponsorship agreement? If Kassam did have to replace the old scoreboard then it would only have been to the standard of the old one. At least the club can now sell advertising on the new one and recoup some of the cost.
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Post by uptheus on Oct 22, 2016 7:31:41 GMT
What was the email that was partially sent by OxVox yesterday regarding the stadium all about? Did anyone else receive it?
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Post by Jem on Oct 22, 2016 8:10:56 GMT
What was the email that was partially sent by OxVox yesterday regarding the stadium all about? Did anyone else receive it? Hi. We did send an email out yesterday evening with a brief update about the stadium. Your post suggests that yours was incomplete in some way? Please let us know if that is the case?! Cheers Jem
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