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Post by Paul Cannell on Jan 14, 2017 12:43:57 GMT
Dunno.
See the post above. In a nutshell, the planning agreement to build the hotel stipulated that the Priory would be renovated before the hotel work started. The, allegedly to enable a 'full renovation' it was changed so that the Priory renovation had to be completed before the hotel opened. The council, as you can see, has failed to enforce either of these agreements. I wonder why?
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Jan 14, 2017 13:07:44 GMT
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Post by outsidethebox on Jan 14, 2017 13:07:44 GMT
Given the comment I made some time ago on this thread I can only assume that for some reason it must suit OCC not to be pursuing FK with regard to Priory restoration. Either that or incompetence.
I guest that any FOI request to view OCC dialogue with FK would meet with a "not in public interest too disclose" response.
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Jan 14, 2017 14:14:59 GMT
Post by Gary Baldi on Jan 14, 2017 14:14:59 GMT
They have dug some holes around the exterior of the priory but done nothing with them. Anyone fancying some compensation should walk by there and trip up in the holes. Typical half a job done from our old owner...
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Jan 14, 2017 14:57:06 GMT
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Post by ox4eva on Jan 14, 2017 14:57:06 GMT
Dunno. See the post above. In a nutshell, the planning agreement to build the hotel stipulated that the Priory would be renovated before the hotel work started. The, allegedly to enable a 'full renovation' it was changed so that the Priory renovation had to be completed before the hotel opened. The council, as you can see, has failed to enforce either of these agreements. I wonder why? Sorry, you must have posted that as I was posting the response. In every way it seems the FK is just doing what he wants with not even the authorities challenging him!
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jan 14, 2017 15:18:47 GMT
No worries, OCC's lack of action seems odd to say the least.
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Post by oufcgav on Jan 14, 2017 19:10:36 GMT
Believe the council's planning enforcement department has been decimated by cuts.
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Jan 15, 2017 9:27:26 GMT
Post by uptheus on Jan 15, 2017 9:27:26 GMT
No worries, OCC's lack of action seems odd to say the least. Maybe it's something to do with the bigger picture re; stadium purchase?
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Post by mcf86 on Sept 13, 2017 12:01:37 GMT
**Bump**
And, still the Priory? remains boarded up and left to rot.. Just wondering if anyone, eg OxVox, can give us an update, if there's one to be given?!
I think the majority of U's fans would acknowledge what the impact of 'losing' the pub has had in negatively affecting the atmosphere inside the Grenoble rd ground?
Grade3 listed? If pressured, couldn't OCC get a compulsory purchase order? Pretty sure there would be interest in renting out the property.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 13, 2017 14:01:44 GMT
**Bump** And, still the Priory? remains boarded up and left to rot.. Just wondering if anyone, eg OxVox, can give us an update, if there's one to be given?! I think the majority of U's fans would acknowledge what the impact of 'losing' the pub has had in negatively affecting the atmosphere inside the Grenoble rd ground? Grade3 listed? If pressured, couldn't OCC get a compulsory purchase order? Pretty sure there would be interest in renting out the property. Do they need a compulsory purchase order. They already own it don't they, it's just on a long lease to Kassam. Just revoke the lease as terms ain't been met
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Sept 13, 2017 14:19:33 GMT
Post by iambungle on Sept 13, 2017 14:19:33 GMT
**Bump** And, still the Priory? remains boarded up and left to rot.. Just wondering if anyone, eg OxVox, can give us an update, if there's one to be given?! I think the majority of U's fans would acknowledge what the impact of 'losing' the pub has had in negatively affecting the atmosphere inside the Grenoble rd ground? Grade3 listed? If pressured, couldn't OCC get a compulsory purchase order? Pretty sure there would be interest in renting out the property. Do they need a compulsory purchase order. They already own it don't they, it's just on a long lease to Kassam. Just revoke the lease as terms ain't been met I don't want to stick up for the man but hasn't FK said he would assign the lease to someone for £1 but hasn't had any takers?
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Sept 13, 2017 14:23:50 GMT
Post by eighteen93 on Sept 13, 2017 14:23:50 GMT
Of course he would - it needs about half a million pounds spending on it !
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Sept 13, 2017 14:58:39 GMT
Post by mcf86 on Sept 13, 2017 14:58:39 GMT
Of course he would - it needs about half a million pounds spending on it ! Don't think it would take half that to give it a revamp.
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Sept 13, 2017 15:39:28 GMT
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Post by holdsteady on Sept 13, 2017 15:39:28 GMT
Who would spend £250,000 on doing up a pub with no locals and little passing trade (apart from maybe 25 days a year) though, to not even own it? Especially allowing who your dodgy landlord would be?
It would be nice to have a pub right by the ground, I have missed going there before big games/on sunny days but it's hard to see a happy ending for the place.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 13, 2017 15:41:37 GMT
Who would spend £250,000 on doing up a pub with no locals and little passing trade (apart from maybe 25 days a year) though, to not even own it? Especially allowing who your dodgy landlord would be? It would be nice to have a pub right by the ground, I have missed going there before big games/on sunny days but it's hard to see a happy ending for the place. Isn't that the reason t was supposed to be included as part of the Hilton, as it's restaurant durning weekdays
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Post by holdsteady on Sept 13, 2017 16:07:06 GMT
Who would spend £250,000 on doing up a pub with no locals and little passing trade (apart from maybe 25 days a year) though, to not even own it? Especially allowing who your dodgy landlord would be? It would be nice to have a pub right by the ground, I have missed going there before big games/on sunny days but it's hard to see a happy ending for the place. Isn't that the reason t was supposed to be included as part of the Hilton, as it's restaurant durning weekdays I think that was just a oxford fans rumour, have done a bit of work there and asked, got told that it doesn't fit in with what they do and was never on the table It's an eyesore but looking at other old pub sites around Oxford the council never seem to bothered by that, it can be years before anything happens to them. The Crown and Thistle by me has been boarded up for longer than the Priory, is similar in that part of it is listed but nothing ever happens, the owners are happy to let them rot and wait for a good deal.
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Sept 13, 2017 18:11:39 GMT
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Post by outsidethebox on Sept 13, 2017 18:11:39 GMT
Seems simple to me. If doing up the Priory was a condition of the hotel planning permission then it has been breached. OCC should revoke the hotel's licence to operate immediately. FOI request is still an option for those who wish to try to dig deeper. Surprised the Oxford Mail hasn't picked up on it, then again .....
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Sept 13, 2017 18:34:11 GMT
Post by TheNewManor on Sept 13, 2017 18:34:11 GMT
It might not have 'locals' but surely it would court the custom of the cinema and bowlplex goers as the other restaurants on the site do. With 25ish bumper days. If it pitched itself as a sort of spoons type setup I feel sure it would pay back? Perhaps the real concern is that the football club might be somewhere else in due course. That would be my reservation if it was my money going in.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 13, 2017 18:45:58 GMT
It might not have 'locals' but surely it would court the custom of the cinema and bowlplex goers as the other restaurants on the site do. With 25ish bumper days. If it pitched itself as a sort of spoons type setup I feel sure it would pay back? Perhaps the real concern is that the football club might be somewhere else in due course. That would be my reservation if it was my money going in. Even spoons is closing its spoons type setup in Cowley
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Sept 13, 2017 18:52:21 GMT
Post by TheNewManor on Sept 13, 2017 18:52:21 GMT
It might not have 'locals' but surely it would court the custom of the cinema and bowlplex goers as the other restaurants on the site do. With 25ish bumper days. If it pitched itself as a sort of spoons type setup I feel sure it would pay back? Perhaps the real concern is that the football club might be somewhere else in due course. That would be my reservation if it was my money going in. Even spoons is closing its spoons type setup in Cowley They havn't given a reason. I can't say I go in a spoons all that often, but they are doing alright aren't they - at least on the whole? I don't claim to be an expert but I'd have thought that set up would thrive meters from a football ground. Especially if the ground belonged to a team destined for the championship with a fourth stand being built...(Rose tinted glasses).
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Sept 13, 2017 18:53:32 GMT
Post by foley on Sept 13, 2017 18:53:32 GMT
So would it do any good the supporters starting to put pressure on the Council to enforce the law/ rules?
Or is it pointless as FK gets what FK wants?
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Sept 13, 2017 18:56:46 GMT
Post by TheNewManor on Sept 13, 2017 18:56:46 GMT
So would it do any good the supporters starting to put pressure on the Council to enforce the law/ rules? Or is it pointless as FK gets what FK wants? It could only improve the chances of it coming to fruition. Even if that's from highly unlikely to unlikely. If its your job to be on top of these things the last thing you want is an Oxford Mail headline on your desk Monday morning.
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Sept 13, 2017 20:48:57 GMT
Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 13, 2017 20:48:57 GMT
FK signed a lease and agreed to the terms of it. The lessor should be forcing the lessee to do what they agreed, even if the lease is eventually ripped up. Even bare minimum FK has out done himself with the Priory.
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Post by Eaststandboy on Sept 13, 2017 22:19:32 GMT
Even spoons is closing its spoons type setup in Cowley They havn't given a reason. I can't say I go in a spoons all that often, but they are doing alright aren't they - at least on the whole? I don't claim to be an expert but I'd have thought that set up would thrive meters from a football ground. Especially if the ground belonged to a team destined for the championship with a fourth stand being built...(Rose tinted glasses). Off topic I know, but I heard that Spoons wanted to be involved in the redevelopment, but we're told no. The pub hasn't had much of a facelift since opening, yet I've seen some pics have 1-2 refits in the matter of 5 or so years!
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Sept 14, 2017 4:15:42 GMT
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Post by holdsteady on Sept 14, 2017 4:15:42 GMT
They havn't given a reason. I can't say I go in a spoons all that often, but they are doing alright aren't they - at least on the whole? I don't claim to be an expert but I'd have thought that set up would thrive meters from a football ground. Especially if the ground belonged to a team destined for the championship with a fourth stand being built...(Rose tinted glasses). Off topic I know, but I heard that Spoons wanted to be involved in the redevelopment, but we're told no. The pub hasn't had much of a facelift since opening, yet I've seen some pics have 1-2 refits in the matter of 5 or so years! It's a profitable pub as well, being next to a redeveloped cowley centre would only increase that so I am guessing you are right. You never hear of Weatherspoons shutting down either rather that they are opening a new one somewhere, one of the business success storys of this century, so there will definitely be something going on here.
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Sept 14, 2017 6:53:44 GMT
Post by uptheus on Sept 14, 2017 6:53:44 GMT
He cannot even purchase lights for the floodlights, so we've go not chance of him doing the Priory. I guess he cares about the club though!
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Post by foley on Sept 14, 2017 7:30:46 GMT
He cannot even purchase lights for the floodlights, so we've go not chance of him doing the Priory. I guess he cares about the club though! Yes the whole thing is becoming farcical. I wonder if FK is trying to run the stadium into the ground for a reason. He is a pretty clever/ devious person and I can't believe that the way he is allowing it to decline is purely a cost saving exercise...
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Sept 14, 2017 9:21:54 GMT
Post by botox on Sept 14, 2017 9:21:54 GMT
He cannot even purchase lights for the floodlights, so we've go not chance of him doing the Priory. I guess he cares about the club though! I thought there had to be a minimum lux for floodlights, the lower down the leagues, the less lux you need to have. I guess he has not got to the minimum lux to have to replace them yet.
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Sept 14, 2017 10:12:41 GMT
Post by TheNewManor on Sept 14, 2017 10:12:41 GMT
I'd say even more than money he takes sadistic pleasure from the suffering of Oxford United and its fans.
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Sept 14, 2017 16:52:22 GMT
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Post by outsidethebox on Sept 14, 2017 16:52:22 GMT
What's Oxvox view on the Priory?
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Sept 21, 2017 21:58:31 GMT
Post by jambon46 on Sept 21, 2017 21:58:31 GMT
I'd say even more than money he takes sadistic pleasure from the suffering of Oxford United and its fans. I think you've hit the nail on the head, unless there can be some pressure put on him by the authorities, i.e the council he will continue sitting in the South of France having a good laugh. What is needed is a pincer movement, an owner of OUFC saying that they will relocate and the council saying if they do he will get planning for jack shit at Grenoble Rd, sadly the council have no balls.
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