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Priory
Sept 21, 2016 19:49:39 GMT
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Post by ox4eva on Sept 21, 2016 19:49:39 GMT
Sure there was a date that FK was supposed to have the priory dealt with, anyone know?
Surely the council could be questioned on this?
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 21, 2016 19:54:09 GMT
Before the hotel opened I think
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Post by manorlounger on Sept 21, 2016 20:45:31 GMT
Before the hotel opened I think If I remember correctly, the two were linked. Build hotel, renovate/restore priory. Two years ago the council were advised of the state of the building and the need to protect the historical elements.
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Priory
Sept 21, 2016 21:18:45 GMT
Post by robie on Sept 21, 2016 21:18:45 GMT
I walked around the site yesterday and thought a) what an eyesore for the hotel, surely it is not in their interest to have it like that and b) what potential it has... If that hotel is as popular as I read about on here then a decent pub opposite could get a good week round business with the bigger money at the weekend of course!
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Priory
Sept 21, 2016 21:35:29 GMT
Post by manorlounger on Sept 21, 2016 21:35:29 GMT
To re-open the Priory as a pub again would require a huge investment. There are too many negatives about the property to make it a viable prospect. Sitting outside in the summer is a non-starter with the smell from the sewage farm, inside is very restricted and outfitting a kitchen to a reasonable standard would hardly return a profit. Add in the exhorbitant rent charged by Firoka and you have a recipe for disaster and financial ruin.
Hotel guests are not going to leave the hotel for the next door pub.
One slim chance would be to use the original building as a starting point for a bigger enclosed area with an historical theme based on the history of the priory. The rather "saucy" nature of the nuns who once inhabited the area might have an attraction as a novelty. Just my opinion of course! Trouble with the site is the almost total lack of any "passing trade" And you will never get away from Firoka screwing every penny out of you.
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Priory
Sept 22, 2016 4:34:43 GMT
Post by eighteen93 on Sept 22, 2016 4:34:43 GMT
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Priory
Sept 22, 2016 5:31:22 GMT
Post by manorlounger on Sept 22, 2016 5:31:22 GMT
Well researched! I thought there had been something along these lines. Can't see the document for some reason but no matter. So, FK is in default then surely? What are the council going to do about it? Anybody need more than one guess?
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Priory
Sept 22, 2016 6:01:19 GMT
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Post by arthurturner on Sept 22, 2016 6:01:19 GMT
You have to wonder what's going on in Oxford City Council's Planning Department. Whose the City Councillor for the Ward in which the Priory is situated?
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Post by henleyox on Sept 22, 2016 7:02:39 GMT
Also, the silence is deafening from the tossers that kicked up so much about the marquee being a supposed eyesore. All fine and dandy now I suppose ?
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Post by ox4eva on Sept 22, 2016 7:18:04 GMT
Well researched! I thought there had been something along these lines. Can't see the document for some reason but no matter. So, FK is in default then surely? What are the council going to do about it? Anybody need more than one guess? Anyone know the direct email address for this department? Lets start asking questions folks, apply some pressure!
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Post by makv on Sept 22, 2016 7:30:40 GMT
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Post by outsidethebox on Sept 22, 2016 9:11:01 GMT
As I've said previously, if Kassam has breached this planning condition then the hotel licence should be revoked until the Priory is refurbished and open for business. City Council showing a ridiculous amount of leniency compared with the little, if not zero, tolerance approach it adopts to your average man in the street.
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Post by foley on Sept 22, 2016 9:14:17 GMT
Also, the silence is deafening from the tossers that kicked up so much about the marquee being a supposed eyesore. All fine and dandy now I suppose ? Yes I totally agree. That was a ridiculous decision - even more so based on what KF appears to have got away with. It makes you wonder what the Council and their leaders' agenda was/ is doesn't it?
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Post by 54-46 on Sept 22, 2016 9:56:38 GMT
Agree too. The marquee going was the final nail for tim, from memory. Why should FK be given more lenient treatment for something more serious?
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Priory
Sept 22, 2016 10:18:03 GMT
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Post by ox4eva on Sept 22, 2016 10:18:03 GMT
Just like the ground itself it seems everyone is scared of FK including the council!
Issue surrounding the priory is something we should push and make that b@stard accountable..
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Priory
Sept 22, 2016 10:45:57 GMT
Post by scoob on Sept 22, 2016 10:45:57 GMT
There was an extra six month extension granted in April but it appears that the required work is for external repairs only. Firoka have applied for a 125 year lease on the Priory. This has been done as the investment required to make the Priory a viable business is substantial so needs a long term to recoup the cost. There is no mention of what the Priory will become.
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Priory
Sept 22, 2016 13:35:55 GMT
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Post by henleyox on Sept 22, 2016 13:35:55 GMT
Often wonder if it's more a case of somebody too pally with kassam rather than scared of him.
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Priory
Sept 22, 2016 13:40:01 GMT
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Post by blox21 on Sept 22, 2016 13:40:01 GMT
Often wonder if it's more a case of somebody too pally with kassam rather than scared of him. Exactly !!! Brown envelope anyone ?
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 22, 2016 13:46:31 GMT
Racist
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Post by blox21 on Sept 22, 2016 13:54:24 GMT
Different coloured envelopes are also available!
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Priory
Sept 22, 2016 14:39:32 GMT
Post by horse on Sept 22, 2016 14:39:32 GMT
If I recall correctly the Ozone wasn't originally allowed to open on matchdays but Kassam opened regardless and the council couldn't afford to face him in court. Others may remember this issue more clearly. The fact is council won't stand up to him in case he takes it to court.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Sept 22, 2016 19:52:00 GMT
There was an extra six month extension granted in April but it appears that the required work is for external repairs only. Firoka have applied for a 125 year lease on the Priory. This has been done as the investment required to make the Priory a viable business is substantial so needs a long term to recoup the cost. There is no mention of what the Priory will become. There's a long thread somewhere, in fact two, on this forum. In the first I detailed some email exchange I had with English Heritage about registering the Priory as a 'listed building at risk'. This wasn't long after it closed. The upshot of this was a mail form EH that stated more or less that it was all going to be cool as a result of an agreement between the owner (OCC), the lessee (OGB) and the planning authority (OCC) by which it's future would be secured. This turned out to be the restatement of the original lapsed planning application for the hotel and set out the the Priory would be refurnished PRIOR TO the opening of the hotel. The hotel duly opened with no work on the Priory. At which time, I note with hindsight unless I mentioned at the time, OCC had given up their leverage on OGB. As I understood it. the 6 month extension was granted because OGB had agreed to a 'complete refurbishment' and, in order that he (OGB) could recoup the substantial cost the lease was to be extended from the remainder of 99 years to a new 125-year lease. I don't recall the original restatement being specific that the original refurbishment was only external, but this was mentioned when the extension was granted. The second thread or post related to this extension. To be unreasonably charitable to OCC & OGB, it may be the case that the work is being delayed until the lease is signed. It may be signed now. I don't know. It looks as though the Priory will suffer another winter unheated and with the damage to the guttering that I, Maurice Earp and Sarge noted unrepaired. There was at no time any mention of the future use of the Priory that I recall. Nor do I recall whether the 6 month extension was for completing the refurbishment (which would have been sensible) or it's start. This is broadly the same story as scoob's, I think. What it says about OCC and OGB (and English Heritage) can be read between the lines.
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Post by nick68 on Sept 22, 2016 19:58:49 GMT
Agree too. The marquee going was the final nail for tim, from memory. Why should FK be given more lenient treatment for something more serious? Nah the final nail for Tim was not buying Lee Holmes
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Priory
Sept 22, 2016 20:23:06 GMT
Post by Denissmithswig on Sept 22, 2016 20:23:06 GMT
If we are being realistic the priory will be done up but not as a pub for football fans. Instead it will be done up and used as an extension to the hotel.
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Priory
Jan 14, 2017 9:50:07 GMT
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Post by ox4eva on Jan 14, 2017 9:50:07 GMT
Still nothing from the council in regards to the priory then?
I reckon this could be used during any negotiations with FK as he will need to do something with it and means spending money which he will not want to do!
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Post by makv on Jan 14, 2017 10:01:33 GMT
As a point of history for those of us who don't go back that far - how the hell did the Priory end up being part of the stadium deal?
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Priory
Jan 14, 2017 11:08:03 GMT
Post by Paul Cannell on Jan 14, 2017 11:08:03 GMT
It's not. It's owned by the council and leased to FK, I think about 60 years remaining but maybe less.
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Post by makv on Jan 14, 2017 11:36:04 GMT
It's not. It's owned by the council and leased to FK, I think about 60 years remaining but maybe less. And what did he want with it?
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Priory
Jan 14, 2017 12:42:17 GMT
Post by Paul Cannell on Jan 14, 2017 12:42:17 GMT
I don't think I understand the question, but I think this is the answer.
I don't know how FK came to hold the lease of the Priory, I guess he took the lease as it was part of the site that maybe could generate money in the future. It was run as a pub for some years until Tim Rackham made a success of it, at which point FK doubled (or more than doubled) the rent. The Priory has been closed and nailed up since then, 3-4 years now.
A number of people expected that the Priory would suffer an unfortunate accident by fire, thus clearing the ground for hotel #2 (the one behind it) to be built. This didn't happen and, as explained above, the council have managed dextrously to fail to protect the building at all while the hotel emerged triumphantly from the ashes of Minchery Farm.
With the planning documentation (see above), it seemed that (at least the fabric of) the Priory was going to be protected but since the council failed to enforce the agreement (why?) it's not.
The issue I suppose is that the building needs total refurbishment to be usable for any commercial activity, with a cost in the high 100s of thousands (no expert, my guess). As scoob says, the lease extension was offered to make it easier for FK to fund this refurb; he didn't. I can't see anyone else funding it.
It seems easier to figure out what FK doesn't want with it; he doesn't want to spend on it. What he does want is a mystery to me.
Things don't look rosy. Without a reason to spend (e.g. getting permission to build a hotel next door) I can't see anyone spending. The only leverage the council might have (that I can see) is to do with the 'ground sale' and the legendary housing development. But then it's not exactly 'front of mind' in that scheme, on the other hand the sums in a housing development are astronomical enough......
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Priory
Jan 14, 2017 12:42:35 GMT
Post by ox4eva on Jan 14, 2017 12:42:35 GMT
It's not. It's owned by the council and leased to FK, I think about 60 years remaining but maybe less. So he is paying rent ? Was he not informed that as a listed building he was supposed to do something with it by a certain date?
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