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Post by headingtonutd on Nov 9, 2016 9:24:11 GMT
Where to start. Well for one he is not the genius businessman he or his supporters would have you believe. He inherited a very successful business from his father and his fortunes have been mixed since then 'An analysis of Trump's business career by The Economist in 2016, concludes that his "...performance [from 1985 to 2016] has been mediocre compared with the stock market and property in New York", noting both his successes and bankruptcies.' He has also promised to build a wall to keep Mexicans out of America, called them rapists, claimed he just 'grabs women by the pussy' (the silver tongued charmer), Has been accused of sexual assault on several occasions and many are ongoing, calls Putin a friend and a great leader, has incited violence at his rallies, mocked a disabled reporter, had a disabled kid thrown out of a rally, had a fake 'university' that was forced to close under an avalanche of law suits, and has a well documented history of failing to pay people who have done work for him. The list goes on and on but more worryingly he revels in politics of hate and has managed to engage his supporters to do the same. I lived and worked in the States for a few years and this will divide the country even further. well if what you say is true and trump fails then that should at least make our currency stronger against the dollar . It may well do but at what cost? The markets are already reacting and the damage done there could be far more painful and what about the damage he could do while he is in power? He makes Bush jr seem tolerant, measured and rational.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 9, 2016 9:24:30 GMT
The Democrats crowning Clinton without a real competition in the primaries has really killed them. If it had been a proper and open competition, then maybe she would not have been nominated at all. The DNC elite have to take a lot of responsibility. They lost to an idiot by putting an idiot up nigh on unopposed.
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Post by dannyc on Nov 9, 2016 9:24:41 GMT
Someone without experience has just got the biggest political job in the world. Wow. If that is not a message that people don't want the establishment any more, I don't know what is. Unless one of you 'anti-establishment chaps can give me a clue what you mean (the law courts are the same, the systen's the same, the political class is the sane) I will be assuming that you are just blindly parrotting Sun and Mail slogans. Can say the same for Tory or Labour voters here tbh .
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 9, 2016 9:25:49 GMT
Trump managed to alienate women, Hispanic people, the disabled, anyone to the left of Ghengis Khan (etc) But that's clearly not true, only the ones we heard about?
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 9, 2016 9:26:46 GMT
Yes. Seems the pollsters don't look in the right places for none-voters who are going to vote. Mandate-wise, you are right. Now the election is over the BBC is doing analysis of Trumps policies and I heard: the median wage is USA is lower than it was in 1999 (half of US citizens are worse off) and Trump has an infrastructure-based plan for rebuilding and job creation. I'd have voted for him based on those figures, were I not one of the 1%. yep part of the 1 percent pull up the ladder jack eh . If it keeps people without cravats off my yacht, of course.
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Post by dannyc on Nov 9, 2016 9:29:29 GMT
yep part of the 1 percent pull up the ladder jack eh . If it keeps people without cravats off my yacht, of course. typical snob attitude its people like you who caused trump to be elected and brexit to happen by looking down on the poorest in society i bet when you see a homeless person you walk past with your nose in the air .
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Nov 9, 2016 9:31:10 GMT
Trump managed to alienate women, Hispanic people, the disabled, anyone to the left of Ghengis Khan (etc) But that's clearly not true, only the ones we heard about? Well I suppose you are right, he obviously didn't or he couldn't have won. I should have said 'offend' rather than 'alienate' - but quite how people in those groups managed to hold their noses and vote for him anyway I will never know!
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 9, 2016 9:32:41 GMT
Yes, the sans-cravats were laughing at the fall of the Ancien Regime, then came the Terror and Napoleon. You'd have been better off sticking with people who know how carve a peasant then and you'll be better off with us running things now and letting you have the scraps from our table.
Pheasant!
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 9, 2016 9:33:47 GMT
Someone without experience has just got the biggest political job in the world. Wow. If that is not a message that people don't want the establishment any more, I don't know what is. Unless one of you 'anti-establishment chaps can give me a clue what you mean (the law courts are the same, the systen's the same, the political class is the sane) I will be assuming that you are just blindly parrotting Sun and Mail slogans. Simply put. I think people are in the US fed up with immigration, loss of jobs to globalism, feeling worse off than they did 10-20 years ago, political correctness and having politicians who don't reflect their needs and wants. They are looking to enforce change into a US system that has had dynasties within it for the past 20-30 years. It's positively ludicrous that an idiot like Trump has won by a very big margin. It says a slot about the system and the Democratic candidate. As an aside, it's pretty sour for Clinton to not do a speech isn't it?
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 9, 2016 9:34:06 GMT
But that's clearly not true, only the ones we heard about? Well I suppose you are right, he obviously didn't or he couldn't have won. I should have said 'offend' rather than 'alienate' - but quite how people in those groups managed to hold their noses and vote for him anyway I will never know! No, well, I mean I share your dilemma here. Perhaps we were poorly informed.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 9, 2016 9:34:16 GMT
If it keeps people without cravats off my yacht, of course. typical snob attitude its people like you who caused trump to be elected and brexit to happen by looking down on the poorest in society i bet when you see a homeless person you walk past with your nose in the air . Oi! If there's any looking down noses to be done, I'll do it.
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Post by dannyc on Nov 9, 2016 9:35:57 GMT
typical snob attitude its people like you who caused trump to be elected and brexit to happen by looking down on the poorest in society i bet when you see a homeless person you walk past with your nose in the air . Oi! If there's any looking down noses to be done, I'll do it. yes all you need is a pip and rocking chair
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 9, 2016 9:58:21 GMT
Trust me here, I am trying to understand, if I try and classify what you wrote I get: Simply put. I think people are in the US fed up with immigration, loss of jobs to globalism, feeling worse off than they did 10-20 years ago, I guess with Brexit hard vs soft and The Headmistress failure to make the Indians kow-tow (they seem to be linking trade deals with free(r) movement) the loss of jobs and immigration is in reality larger than a national entity can handle. Is the establishment the trans-national company and rentier? If so surely the rage for the national establishment is weakening the one type of entity that could control the trans-national establishment - the transnational league of governments? political correctness and having politicians who don't reflect their needs and wants. OK, I mean PC is a right-on, trendy, lefty. inauthentic, not real working man thing. (Sun, Mail as I understand it). I can see there might be an establishment thing going on but how does it differ from like learning to be an engineer and doing big things efficiently - which would be equally useful in fending off globalism and poverty? Is expertise an establishment thing? Not sure that any politician reflects much of the individual want. Arguably the need to have a health service satisfies a need. Perhaps a lot of people have fallen out with the idea that what politicians do can (do much to) help their needs and wants? But does that make the politicians part of the establishment? They are looking to enforce change into a US system that has had dynasties within it for the past 20-30 years. US-specific and frankly wrong in terms of timescale - the owners of the US mostly date from the railroads, oil or before. Political dynasties have been shorter-lived but Bush is over, Kennedy is over and Clinton is probably over. Even so this is just switching places in the establishment, isn't it? Nothing in these votes will change the ownership of UK or US. It's positively ludicrous that an idiot like Trump has won by a very big margin. It says a slot about the system and the Democratic candidate. Hardly relevant to the establishment point? That was pretty serious. I am back to clinging on to my job now, I need to work still longer since yesterday.
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Post by essexyellows on Nov 9, 2016 9:59:23 GMT
Another punch in the face for the political class, we live in interesting times as did our predecessors and as will future generations. There is also a strange irony in how certain members on here belittle & degrade those "less fortunate" than themselves....yet say society as whole shouldn`t do it.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 9, 2016 10:01:45 GMT
Oi! If there's any looking down noses to be done, I'll do it. yes all you need is a pip and rocking chair Second Lieutenant Burrett. After 30 years of service! Shame on you Pete.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 9, 2016 10:03:36 GMT
Another punch in the face for the political class, we live in interesting times as did our predecessors and as will future generations. There is also a strange irony in how certain members on here belittle & degrade those "less fortunate" than themselves....yet say society as whole shouldn`t do it. Well. Fingers crossed. Have you finished mucking out the stables already?
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Post by dannyc on Nov 9, 2016 10:06:26 GMT
yes all you need is a pip and rocking chair Second Lieutenant Burrett. After 30 years of service! Shame on you Pete. ye like paul cannell hes elitist
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 9, 2016 10:07:39 GMT
You think all soldiers should be the same rank and they should decide what to do by committee?
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 9, 2016 10:08:20 GMT
What's ur views on the shoot out Danny ?
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Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 9, 2016 10:12:33 GMT
Second Lieutenant Burrett. After 30 years of service! Shame on you Pete. ye like paul cannell hes elitist I'm also a great provider of employment for the poor and needy around the Lincolnshire Wolds. I pay (almost) minimum wage to four gamekeepers, three pheasant pluckers, 6 gardeners and under gardeners and, perhaps, a dozen house staff who I have no interest in but, I believe, will be eternally grateful to me for lifting them out of grinding poverty and into prosperity, relative to their 14th century forebears. Check the classifieds in the Louth Leader (online), Danny. We still have several positions, some of which attract rather fetching uniforms. And cravats.
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Post by dannyc on Nov 9, 2016 10:14:26 GMT
What's ur views on the shoot out Danny ? did somthing get shot or something then?
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Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 9, 2016 10:15:03 GMT
What's ur views on the shoot out Danny ? did somthing get shot or something then? Pheasants. Loads of 'em. And plucked.
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 9, 2016 10:17:29 GMT
What's ur views on the shoot out Danny ? did somthing get shot or something then? U didn't see it? All over the news, biggest shootout of all time
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Post by Young Money on Nov 9, 2016 10:20:48 GMT
God bless America, got a feeling they may need it. why how come if Clinton wins its fine yet trump who is a successful businessman is all downhill goes to show who controls our financial markets doesn't it Trump ISNT a successful businessman. He started off with loads of money and has gone bankrupt many, many times.
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Post by gofish2 on Nov 9, 2016 11:15:47 GMT
Second Lieutenant Burrett. After 30 years of service! Shame on you Pete. ye like paul cannell hes elitist Shut up Danny or I'll have to make your diagnosis public (if it isn't already obvious)
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Post by dannyc on Nov 9, 2016 11:54:18 GMT
ye like paul cannell hes elitist Shut up Danny or I'll have to make your diagnosis public (if it isn't already obvious) what are you his bf or something lol
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Post by Boogaloo on Nov 9, 2016 12:01:22 GMT
Try saying that over and over again after 6 glasses of a fine single malt Scotch.
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Post by gofish2 on Nov 9, 2016 12:15:55 GMT
Shut up Danny or I'll have to make your diagnosis public (if it isn't already obvious) what are you his bf or something lol and if I were, you pointless disorder.......
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 9, 2016 13:38:13 GMT
Trust me here, I am trying to understand, if I try and classify what you wrote I get: Simply put. I think people are in the US fed up with immigration, loss of jobs to globalism, feeling worse off than they did 10-20 years ago, I guess with Brexit hard vs soft and The Headmistress failure to make the Indians kow-tow (they seem to be linking trade deals with free(r) movement) the loss of jobs and immigration is in reality larger than a national entity can handle. Is the establishment the trans-national company and rentier? If so surely the rage for the national establishment is weakening the one type of entity that could control the trans-national establishment - the transnational league of governments? OK, I mean PC is a right-on, trendy, lefty. inauthentic, not real working man thing. (Sun, Mail as I understand it). I can see there might be an establishment thing going on but how does it differ from like learning to be an engineer and doing big things efficiently - which would be equally useful in fending off globalism and poverty? Is expertise an establishment thing? Not sure that any politician reflects much of the individual want. Arguably the need to have a health service satisfies a need. Perhaps a lot of people have fallen out with the idea that what politicians do can (do much to) help their needs and wants? But does that make the politicians part of the establishment? Hardly relevant to the establishment point? That was pretty serious. I am back to clinging on to my job now, I need to work still longer since yesterday. I would think people who worked in steel mills, people who works in coal mines, manufacturing, that have seen their jobs disappear abroad because it's cheaper to do business there because of trade deals, and the detrimental affect that a lack of employment in their towns and cities has, care not a jot about trans-national establishment one bit. Even those that struggle to get work because an illegal immigrant will work cheaper and the system allows them to stay in sanctuary cities. They miss the days of Made in America. The glory days. They want to remove the Establishment/Dynasty (Clinton's, Obama's, Bush family) because they don't feel they've been helped by globalisation in the past 30 years and I would think feel it cannot materially get any worse when you are already unemployed or on low wages. Trump is so far outside of the establishment normality that he became an attractive candidate because he spoke in less PC terms and offered less of the same and more of change. As the Walloons proved, the trans-national establishment on a local level is not that appreciated. The needs of the proles, as proven by the EU, are not a concern when they want to do something. We are doing a trade deal, and it will all be fine.
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Post by essexyellows on Nov 9, 2016 13:55:32 GMT
I was amused this morning by an interview on the BBC - it was just like Brexit all over again.
When asked why the US pollsters got it so wrong, the answer was interesting. They said that the pollsters did not consider those that had not voted before. They ignored the white less intellectual country voters who usually never voted. They came out and carried the vote for Trump.
So once again it is the "old white racist intellectually challenged" who vote wrong because they did not understand.
When will the establishment and the left wing accept the will of the people without pigeon holing them as racists and stupid?
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