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Post by eighteen93 on Aug 4, 2016 21:24:11 GMT
Another note, seems that the OCC who have been runaround by Kassam loads in the past will not let him do the same regarding the Priory He's giving the council the run around now though concerning the Priory. I thought the works had to be completed within six months of the hotel opening. It opened last December. Has FK reneged on the planning agreements?
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Post by Junior on Aug 5, 2016 0:19:22 GMT
Disappointed we didn't get to find out who voted for the B teams.
Good news about the Juniors room. Would it only be accessible from the NS? Or could the youngsters sitting in the East use it at HT?
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Post by holdsteady on Aug 5, 2016 4:51:53 GMT
Another note, seems that the OCC who have been runaround by Kassam loads in the past will not let him do the same regarding the Priory He's giving the council the run around now though concerning the Priory. I thought the works had to be completed within six months of the hotel opening. It opened last December. Has FK reneged on the planning agreements? Unless they can give home something he wants in return, new housing on the car park say, Kassam won't care what the council says about the Priory, he will do what he wants or get a deal that's massively advantageous to him.
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Post by manorlounger on Aug 5, 2016 6:26:41 GMT
He's giving the council the run around now though concerning the Priory. I thought the works had to be completed within six months of the hotel opening. It opened last December. Has FK reneged on the planning agreements? Unless they can give home something he wants in return, new housing on the car park say, Kassam won't care what the council says about the Priory, he will do what he wants or get a deal that's massively advantageous to him. Let's face it, he has a well proven record of doing and getting what he wants. And on the cheap. Covenant on the Manor; £40k to the bowls club, profit £6 million. Covenant on Minchery farm; overturned and site value now £50 million plus. The priory is a grade 2 listed building going back 600 plus years and he allows it to fall in ruin and builds another hotel right next to it. OCC are no match for his guile and underhand dealing. Anyone who can turn a fish and chip shop into an empire with a personal fortune of £180 million plus is going to p*ss all over the council. Unless, someone with some big balls takes a stand and uses the law of the land to force him he will continue to get away with it all.
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Post by foley on Aug 5, 2016 6:35:35 GMT
He's giving the council the run around now though concerning the Priory. I thought the works had to be completed within six months of the hotel opening. It opened last December. Has FK reneged on the planning agreements? Unless they can give home something he wants in return, new housing on the car park say, Kassam won't care what the council says about the Priory, he will do what he wants or get a deal that's massively advantageous to him. He had already agreed to do up the Priory as part of a PREVIOUS planning agreement. So the implication last bight was that if he doesn't do what he agreed to do then the Council will (I assume) take him to court.
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Post by mushroombilly on Aug 5, 2016 6:47:42 GMT
he did as he was told with the Ox statue thou, perhaps we could soften him up by offering up a statue of himself symbolically shafting the Ox?
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Post by Paul Cannell on Aug 5, 2016 6:58:05 GMT
He had already agreed to do up the Priory as part of a PREVIOUS planning agreement. So the implication last bight was that if he doesn't do what he agreed to do then the Council will (I assume) take him to court. In fact he has made 2 agreements to 'do up' the Priory. The initial planning grant, which was put forward for renewal then dropped required that the Priory be refurbished before work started on the second hotel. At the time the planning revival was dropped I (and others) was in touch with English Heritage trying to get the Priory put on the buildings at risk register in order to force the owner and tenant (OCC & F. Kassam) to do something. I received a mail stating in effect that there was no need since the upcoming developments would get a better solution. On 24/9/15 the order to above was varied so that: the whole building would be repaired (rather than as alleged 'external repairs' - which restriction I don't recall from the original grant but I can't be arsed to check.), the end date was 'within 6 months of the opening of the hotel, the lease was to be extended to 125 years and the pub would be put in a condition to open. As you can see by an examination of the premises on Saturday, this has gone blindingly well. Jan 17th? Where is this deadline published? Do you know why it changed? The likelihood is that OCC has fallen over themselves to give Kassam everything he has asked for with absolutely nothing in return. They appear to have sold the Priory down the river in return for absolutely nothing. To paraphrase Bunting - "There is the Priory. Sit down and watch it crumble."
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Post by sihath on Aug 5, 2016 7:05:44 GMT
he did as he was told with the Ox statue thou, perhaps we could soften him up by offering up a statue of himself symbolically shafting the Ox? I'd prefer one like the Swindon surfer with F.K. taking the place of the robin...
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Post by ox4eva on Aug 5, 2016 7:42:14 GMT
OCC are not interested in OUFC, all they care about are tourists and toff students!
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 5, 2016 7:43:46 GMT
Gbt said on the radio this morning, that they had several positive meeting an emails with fk, but the final decision is his. Could be that the ox Mail has made a bit more of this story than there is.
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Post by holdsteady on Aug 5, 2016 7:46:30 GMT
Unless they can give home something he wants in return, new housing on the car park say, Kassam won't care what the council says about the Priory, he will do what he wants or get a deal that's massively advantageous to him. He had already agreed to do up the Priory as part of a PREVIOUS planning agreement. So the implication last bight was that if he doesn't do what he agreed to do then the Council will (I assume) take him to court. Kassam will do things when he wants to, what power does Oxford city council have over someone as wealthy as him? He will drag it out until he wants something and use it as a bargaining chip, with him getting the bargain as usual. Mega rich non doms don't really answer to local councils.
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Post by saddletramp on Aug 5, 2016 8:12:04 GMT
Disappointed we didn't get to find out who voted for the B teams. Good news about the Juniors room. Would it only be accessible from the NS? Or could the youngsters sitting in the East use it at HT? A bit impractical i would have thought to get kids from there seats in the East to the North and back in 15 minutes ? (how would they get there,in and out of the stadium,or across the pitch)
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Post by saddletramp on Aug 5, 2016 9:13:04 GMT
Regarding family stand, junior room will be opening under the north stand and gives more progression for family staying growth. The club is very conscious that the average age of the fan base is high. They need lots of younger supporters involved. Most League 1/2 clubs have a room for kids at half time. OUFc could not do that in the SSL, but can now (there is a room now available. Having said that, for the first time the club have opened up the middle sections for supporters for STs I understand the need for kids to get involved with the club,i understand the North stand is probably the best place for them,its just the amount of seats that have been allocated to the family sections that i dont understand ? Seats available tomorrow for home fans,less than 10k,family section 1,100,so more than 11% of seats are unavailable to adult fans(plus other reserved seats,players families,directors box etc). Yes block 25 is now available for S/Ts,but as this block was open for most games last season,its not actually opening more seats for non family attendees. I know this wont matter tomorrow,its in 5 weeks time when we will find out if this is a big mistake.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 5, 2016 9:32:26 GMT
Probably for the same reason that we give a lot of away space even for little teams. The segregation under the stand
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Post by whingit on Aug 5, 2016 14:31:52 GMT
The club is very conscious that the average age of the fan base is high. They need lots of younger supporters involved. Most League 1/2 clubs have a room for kids at half time. OUFc could not do that in the SSL, but can now (there is a room now available. Having said that, for the first time the club have opened up the middle sections for supporters for STs I understand the need for kids to get involved with the club,i understand the North stand is probably the best place for them,its just the amount of seats that have been allocated to the family sections that i dont understand ? Seats available tomorrow for home fans,less than 10k,family section 1,100,so more than 11% of seats are unavailable to adult fans(plus other reserved seats,players families,directors box etc). Yes block 25 is now available for S/Ts,but as this block was open for most games last season,its not actually opening more seats for non family attendees. I know this wont matter tomorrow,its in 5 weeks time when we will find out if this is a big mistake. The club must have had the temporary stand in mind to move the family area to the North Stand. It's the only way it makes sense because you wouldn't want a family area near away fans, the other side of the SSL would have sufficed, you'd have thought, and it would have taken up less room.
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Post by outsidethebox on Aug 6, 2016 7:40:52 GMT
Regarding the Priory, my understanding was was that OCC allowed FK to open the Hilton on the condition the Priory opened 6 months later. If this has been exceeded, OCC should revoke the operating licence on the Hilton.
Problem is that OCC planning enforcement officers seem either toothless or totally in the pockets of large developers. Try doing something without planning permission on your own house and they will be down on you like a ton of bricks - easy target!
There is a high profile development in Oxford that has persistently breach its planning conditions. Local residents have alerted OCC many times yet they always allow the developer to get away with it.
OCC taking a tough line with FK? I'll believe it when I see it!
Certainly be interesting to use a FOI request to see previous correspondence between FK and OCC regarding the Priory, if anyone wants to submit one.
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