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Post by whingit on May 19, 2016 20:37:38 GMT
Because Morcambe are outside of the top two divisions. I'm not saying I'm informed on the subject, but you appear not to be either. ..... so, do you have proof ( source and link please) that Morcambe were 'allowed' to build a terrace as part of a new stadium because they are not in the top 2 divisions? Id be very interested to see that or is it just speculation on your part? Right, I'll give it a go, and I must stress again that I'm not an expert. Hopefully, even if it's not the information you wanted, you'll see it as interesting information nonetheless. It's great that you actively campaign for the improvement of football as an experience for the spectator. Morcambe were allowed to build a terrace because they adhered to the guidelines set out in the Guide to Safety at Sports Grounds, section 13 relates to standing (this guide is readily available and easy to download.) These guidelines are enforced by the SGSA, and are covered under the Safety of Sports Grounds Act 1975 ( www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1975/52#commentary-c718518 ) and no safety certification can be obtained otherwise. Regarding specific wording stating that only the top two divisions need to be all seater, I came across this on the website of the SGSA. www.safetyatsportsgrounds.org.uk/regulation/licensingPersonally, with the trial involving Celtic, I only see it as a matter of time before safe standing is legislated for. Safe standing itself, as far as I know, is not against the rules and could therefore, theoretically, be installed at any ground. The seats would always have to be in use for teams in the top two divisions, but lower than that it could be used as terracing, as long as it complies with the relevant guidelines in the Guide to Safety at Sports Grounds.
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Post by amershamdave on May 19, 2016 21:07:05 GMT
Apologies to anybody if they've already come up with what I'm about to write. I'm not looking at past posts on this subject. We have all-seater stadiums today, as a DIRECT result of the Taylor report, following the disaster at Hillsborough in 1989. If Hillsborough hadn't have happened, sitting at football matches wouldn't have been compulsory. If you're old enough to remember the tragedy, you'd know where I'm coming from. Sadly (criminally, in my opinion), we were fed a load of b*llshit from various sources (we all know the guilty media sources) as to the cause of the disaster. A court has decided that Liverpool fans were unlawfully killed. Make of that what you will - but stick to the truth. The truth hurts - to the lying bastards that peddled the crap that youngsters, until recently, believed to be fact. My point here is this: Now, what with the truth coming out (at last), I believe it's time to have (safe) standing in our stadiums. The clue word here is 'SAFE'. We could set a precedent here, with the lack of (thanks, Kassam!) a fourth stand. Surely, now the Hillsborough 'myth' has been exposed, us fans have a valid point to make, regarding safe standing areas in our grounds?
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Post by myles on May 20, 2016 7:31:49 GMT
The big point that you're missing there Dave is that Lord Justice Taylor actually identified the Police failings as the primary cause of the disaster and dismissed the notion that fan behaviour was in some way to blame. The subsequent actions by the police to try and cover up their failings is a bit of a red herring in relation to the all seater debate.
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Post by amershamdave on May 20, 2016 9:45:19 GMT
Myles, I'm trying to point out that IF we had SAFE standing, then surely it would be, er, safe to have standing areas again. I've always said that we were forced to sit down at football matches, not only to make it safer to watch the game, but to give clubs the excuse to overcharge us and also to make us all sit down like naughty children. We all know the Tories of the eighties hated us fans. Its ironic, really - with all of the all - seater stadiums around, and the way the 'Scum' newspaper rooted for them, that they made light of the way the Man. City fans all stand backwards, doing the 'Poznan' celebration. Surely, that's dangerous? And while I'm on that subject, why aren't all of the fans who stand up throughout the match made to sit down? Surely that's dangerous, too - considering there's no barriers to stop them falling forward. Is it because too many fans stand up and they can't all be made to sit down? If that's the case, then there's your answer as to 'could we have standing (safe) again? If too many of us ask for it, then we'll get it - won't we? Just to be awkward, I prefer to sit, because I'm physically f*cked.
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Post by Colin B on May 20, 2016 12:26:36 GMT
Myles, I'm trying to point out that IF we had SAFE standing, then surely it would be, er, safe to have standing areas again. I've always said that we were forced to sit down at football matches, not only to make it safer to watch the game, but to give clubs the excuse to overcharge us and also to make us all sit down like naughty children. We all know the Tories of the eighties hated us fans. Its ironic, really - with all of the all - seater stadiums around, and the way the 'Scum' newspaper rooted for them, that they made light of the way the Man. City fans all stand backwards, doing the 'Poznan' celebration. Surely, that's dangerous? And while I'm on that subject, why aren't all of the fans who stand up throughout the match made to sit down? Surely that's dangerous, too - considering there's no barriers to stop them falling forward. Is it because too many fans stand up and they can't all be made to sit down? If that's the case, then there's your answer as to 'could we have standing (safe) again? If too many of us ask for it, then we'll get it - won't we? Just to be awkward, I prefer to sit, because I'm physically f*cked. Some would say mentally too Dave……………..
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Post by amershamdave on May 20, 2016 15:08:54 GMT
Myles, I'm trying to point out that IF we had SAFE standing, then surely it would be, er, safe to have standing areas again. I've always said that we were forced to sit down at football matches, not only to make it safer to watch the game, but to give clubs the excuse to overcharge us and also to make us all sit down like naughty children. We all know the Tories of the eighties hated us fans. Its ironic, really - with all of the all - seater stadiums around, and the way the 'Scum' newspaper rooted for them, that they made light of the way the Man. City fans all stand backwards, doing the 'Poznan' celebration. Surely, that's dangerous? And while I'm on that subject, why aren't all of the fans who stand up throughout the match made to sit down? Surely that's dangerous, too - considering there's no barriers to stop them falling forward. Is it because too many fans stand up and they can't all be made to sit down? If that's the case, then there's your answer as to 'could we have standing (safe) again? If too many of us ask for it, then we'll get it - won't we? Just to be awkward, I prefer to sit, because I'm physically f*cked. Some would say mentally too Dave…………….. Me-ow!
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Post by bigronaldo on May 20, 2016 17:13:53 GMT
Seems a shame to finally get a stand put in and then give it over to away supporters though! Imagine, both ends behind the goal getting behind the team? That would really be something!
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Post by Denissmithswig on May 20, 2016 18:46:06 GMT
I would still like us to stick away fans in the top corner of the SSU nearest the East stand. Would be good for atmosphere between fans without the possibility of either sets of fans being able to get to each other and out of sight from the away team when they walk out of the tunnel.
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Post by harrycarry on May 20, 2016 19:51:05 GMT
I would like to see the away fans at the back of the East stand in the unfinished section. Would be a great atmosphere.
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Post by The Fence End on May 21, 2016 7:33:38 GMT
Seems a shame to finally get a stand put in and then give it over to away supporters though! Imagine, both ends behind the goal getting behind the team? That would really be something! Exactly, would be a huge advantage for us! Hope Eales and GBT realise this and consider that more than how much money they can make from it.
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Post by Colin B on May 21, 2016 8:18:53 GMT
I believe the idea is to restrict away fans to the end of the North Stand, similar to the Wycombe game, with Oxford fans having the majority of the North Stand for ALL games. No more Pompey, Rovers situations where the away team run out to their fans facing them. No longer will the "best seats in the house" remain empty and no longer will we have the largest segregation area in football.
Surely all of the above are good things?
The slight trade off is that for those games where there are larger away followings (maybe four or five times a season?) 600 of those extra fans will be in an uncovered temporary stand, approx five rows deep, maybe getting rained on and spread out more than if they were all in the North Stand. I don't think the temporary stand will be open for all games and personally think it's a much better arrangement than currently.
Can't wait to get my North Stand halfway line Season Ticket after waiting 15 years to do so!
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Post by oufcyellows on May 21, 2016 8:45:22 GMT
Seems a shame to finally get a stand put in and then give it over to away supporters though! Imagine, both ends behind the goal getting behind the team? That would really be something! Who would want to sit in a stand with no roof in January watching us play fleetwood getting cold and wet. Long term the away fans will be behind one goal or the other permanently because they will be two or the smaller stands and we won't have to have any segregation
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Post by bigronaldo on May 21, 2016 9:21:21 GMT
For years we have bemoaned the advantage lost in attacking the fence end. Away teams often like to turn us around if they win the toss just so that we don't get the advantage of attacking our end second half. You may be right oufcyellows, in that it could be a soulless place in winter with sideways rain battering you sat there, alone, shivering in your cagoule, but I don't think that is a particularly pleasant vision that is imagined when they sit down to make this happen? I would much rather see this space filled with passionate home supporters - a big game (and next season, there will be a few) and nowhere to hide for the opposition.
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Post by mermaid on May 21, 2016 10:47:56 GMT
If this is what the fence end will look like on each side of the goal then I would rather the away supporters sit there, it looks soulless.
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Post by oufcyellows on May 23, 2016 18:25:33 GMT
Footage has emerged of the south stand lower at the Wycombe game. well it must be almost like this down there
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Post by Mark on Jun 13, 2016 15:08:40 GMT
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Post by mcf86 on Jun 13, 2016 18:37:34 GMT
View AttachmentIf this is what the fence end will look like on each side of the goal then I would rather the away supporters sit there, it looks soulless. It's a definite no from me, red seats?!! Have you not considered that it looks 'soulless' because- it's empty!!
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Post by foley on Jun 14, 2016 6:56:31 GMT
I wonder what has happened to this idea?
I guess that the club want a decision fairly soon as people are buying ST's where they will not want to be if the middle is opened up (and if there is no temporary stand, why move the family stand?)
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Post by MJB on Jun 14, 2016 7:57:49 GMT
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Post by devilsalley on Jul 16, 2016 17:01:17 GMT
Is this temp stand thingy still on the agenda,seems to have gone very quiet with the new season kick-off very close?
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Post by Marked Ox on Jul 17, 2016 7:27:40 GMT
Is this temp stand thingy still on the agenda,seems to have gone very quiet with the new season kick-off very close? They would have said if it wasn't, they have quite a few outside parties to discuss it with so it was always going to take time.
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Post by foley on Jul 17, 2016 7:33:50 GMT
If it is going to happen it will have to be announced soon. I w ould have thought that the club would have wanted it for the start of the season but 10 September is probably the forst game that will need it.
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Post by Marked Ox on Jul 17, 2016 7:52:54 GMT
If it is going to happen it will have to be announced soon. I w ould have thought that the club would have wanted it for the start of the season but 10 September is probably the forst game that will need it. I'd agree with that.
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Post by nottsyellow on Jul 17, 2016 9:47:25 GMT
If it is going to happen it will have to be announced soon. I w ould have thought that the club would have wanted it for the start of the season but 10 September is probably the forst game that will need it. But will it be used for Swindon fans or Oxford fans? I appreciate it is planned for overspill of away fans but, for this game there will be the appropriate demand from Oxford supporters and will TVP want 2,600 Swindon fans?
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Post by nottsyellow on Jul 17, 2016 9:48:40 GMT
I hope they put some yellow seats in spelling out OUFC.
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Post by Marked Ox on Jul 17, 2016 10:17:56 GMT
If it is going to happen it will have to be announced soon. I w ould have thought that the club would have wanted it for the start of the season but 10 September is probably the forst game that will need it. But will it be used for Swindon fans or Oxford fans? I appreciate it is planned for overspill of away fans but, for this game there will be the appropriate demand from Oxford supporters and will TVP want 2,600 Swindon fans? It will be used by Swindon fans as it will be set up for fans using it to use the away facilities.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 17, 2016 10:21:44 GMT
Away fans
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Post by rollsy on Jul 17, 2016 11:12:08 GMT
If it is going to happen it will have to be announced soon. I w ould have thought that the club would have wanted it for the start of the season but 10 September is probably the forst game that will need it. But will it be used for Swindon fans or Oxford fans? I appreciate it is planned for overspill of away fans but, for this game there will be the appropriate demand from Oxford supporters and will TVP want 2,600 Swindon fans? Swindon fans as has been said they'd be using the away end facilities. So guessing the stand will be towards the scoreboard , as would only take up about 1/3 of the width of the pitch. Also with the centre blocks being used by oufc fans all season now, the away allocation in the North stand is 1,200 odd in total according to the twitter account the other week. And i'm guessing if we got the extra 600 seats, away fans would also need more than the 1,200 for the percentage you have to give of the capacity crowd? I can't see it happening though sadly.
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Post by Colin B on Jul 17, 2016 11:30:58 GMT
For League games we only have to give 10% of capacity, so 1,200 is enough. For FA Cup games it rises to 15%.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 17, 2016 11:32:03 GMT
But will it be used for Swindon fans or Oxford fans? I appreciate it is planned for overspill of away fans but, for this game there will be the appropriate demand from Oxford supporters and will TVP want 2,600 Swindon fans? Swindon fans as has been said they'd be using the away end facilities. So guessing the stand will be towards the scoreboard , as would only take up about 1/3 of the width of the pitch. Also with the centre blocks being used by oufc fans all season now, the away allocation in the North stand is 1,200 odd in total according to the twitter account the other week. And i'm guessing if we got the extra 600 seats, away fans would also need more than the 1,200 for the percentage you have to give of the capacity crowd? I can't see it happening though sadly. U have to take the segregation off tht as well so will be less 700 ish
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