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Post by sideshowrob on May 16, 2016 19:24:30 GMT
I think we should build an exact replica of the old London Road End with the orginal retaining wall and without the fences. Keep the fence splitting the left and right side and build it so close to the pitch that you could almost lean over and touch the back of the goal net. Make it for home fans only and we would have a real advantage.
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Post by oldham on May 16, 2016 19:28:30 GMT
I think we should build an exact replica of the old London Road End with the orginal retaining wall and without the fences. Keep the fence splitting the left and right side and build it so close to the pitch that you could almost lean over and touch the back of the goal net. Make it for home fans only and we would have a real advantage. We could even have p!ss dripping down from the back and a moat too!
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Post by harrycarry on May 17, 2016 6:08:07 GMT
My worry is that a temporary stand may be around so many years that's it's basically permanent. New stand should be permanent and also finish the East Stand off.
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Post by carefreeoufc on May 17, 2016 6:17:08 GMT
Barnets entire ground is virtually temporary in its design and construction.
A temporary stand would be good assuming there was the interest to fill it and it was financially viable.
It still peeves me that a 'void' is left beneath the North Stand as I'd much prefer away fans were housed closest to the East Stand.
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Post by KLYellow on May 17, 2016 6:39:22 GMT
I dont feel we need a 4th stand, even a temporary one for next season in Div 1. For this season, we averaged 6548 home supporters and 663 away supporters. I can see only upto 15% increase in home support for next season. In respect of big games and large away followings possibly only Scumdon, Coventry, Northampton, MK Dons and Sheff Utd could bring over a 1,000 to our place.
For the promoted clubs last year, Burton (2nd) increased their attendances by 26%, Bury (14th) - 0.5%, Southend (15th) 16% and Shrewsbury (20th) 1.2%.
Maybe for next year to purchase tickets for any big games, supporters would have to produce a stub or something for preceding game/s.
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Post by foley on May 17, 2016 6:46:43 GMT
I dont feel we need a 4th stand, even a temporary one for next season in Div 1. For this season, we averaged 6548 home supporters and 663 away supporters. I can see only upto 15% increase in home support for next season. In respect of big games and large away followings possibly only Scumdon, Coventry, Northampton, MK Dons and Sheff Utd could bring over a 1,000 to our place. For the promoted clubs last year, Burton (2nd) increased their attendances by 26%, Bury (14th) - 0.5%, Southend (15th) 16% and Shrewsbury (20th) 1.2%. Maybe for next year to purchase tickets for any big games, supporters would have to produce a stub or something for preceding game/s. What about Charlton, Bolton (if they are doing OK), Bristol Rovers, Plymouth if they go up, maybe even Walsall? I reckon at least 7-10 could bring 1,000 and within that maybe 4-5 could bring 2,000. I reckon that if we did a Burton there may well be a need for a forth stand, but if we were mid table then maybe not.
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Post by politicalox on May 17, 2016 7:58:30 GMT
Sometimes discussion of this can a bit one-dimensional.
My point on the 4th stand is that it would give us further momentum, excitement and feel-good going into the new season.
It is difficult to put a price on that. But it might be worth a lot.
Indeed, it might be worth so much that it would enable us to fill the stadium - 4th stand included - more often.
I suspect the absence of a 4th stand contributes to our less-than-convincing home form over recent seasons.
If Firoz Kassam says he wants to "complete the stadium that bears his name" we should bite his hand off - even if it an uncovered temporary structure.
We could also help him by allowing him to name the new stand after his hotel - the Hilton (or Hylton?) End
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Post by sideshowrob on May 17, 2016 22:27:24 GMT
I agree with the general thrust of your post politicalox but history would suggest that anyone should we very cautious before shaking Kassam's hand on a deal, let alone biting his hand off.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 1:21:18 GMT
OM reveal there are plans for a temporary 600 seater stand which will stay up for the whole season. Eales doesn't epect to make any money and a bigger stand would cause more problems by adding extra facilities. Hoping to be up for first home game of the season.
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Post by eighteen93 on May 18, 2016 5:17:40 GMT
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Post by robie on May 18, 2016 5:24:37 GMT
So 600 seats doesn't require turnstiles and toilets?
I'm guessing they would share the facilities of the North Stand then or does anyone else have any other ideas?
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Post by saddletramp on May 18, 2016 5:43:22 GMT
But Eales is keen to fill in the gap, which should provide a boost to the atmosphere, and by moving away fans behind the goal it would allow extra room in the North Stand for home fans.
The U’s owner said: “We can then say we’ve got 10,000 home tickets for every game.
Surely if away fans are in the temporary stand,we will have 12,500 home tickets,not 10,000 ?
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Post by carefreeoufc on May 18, 2016 5:54:02 GMT
Only issue/questions with Eales comments...
The North Stand looks bloody empty at times already it has the potential to look deserted for some/perhaps the majority of our games with only home fans in.
With matches where we are required to give the full 10% allocation where would the additional away fans be housed? With the void beneath the North Stand having to remain would they not be given the same amount of seating or is there an additional door?
Good idea but assuming it's covered I'd rather have home fans in both ends of the ground and keep the away fans where they are imo.
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Post by 54-46 on May 18, 2016 5:56:25 GMT
It must mean it would be for home fans, leaving away fans where they are. Facilities might be shared with south stand lower.
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Post by oufcyellows on May 18, 2016 6:35:04 GMT
It must mean it would be for home fans, leaving away fans where they are. Facilities might be shared with south stand lower. No it's says away fans. It means 10k will be available for "every" game. Against smaller clubs who don't bring 600. 12.5k will be available to home fans. For Swindon and the bigger games, we will still have to give them 10% 1300 ish so 1.5 blocks and segregation in the north stand
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Post by daytripper on May 18, 2016 6:47:39 GMT
Will they move Olly's Den family area of south stand? I wouldn't want my kids getting close to the Swindon fans!
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Post by bacon on May 18, 2016 6:48:32 GMT
surely they'll run a competition to name this new stand...
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Post by 54-46 on May 18, 2016 7:16:03 GMT
It must mean it would be for home fans, leaving away fans where they are. Facilities might be shared with south stand lower. No it's says away fans. It means 10k will be available for "every" game. Against smaller clubs who don't bring 600. 12.5k will be available to home fans. For Swindon and the bigger games, we will still have to give them 10% 1300 ish so 1.5 blocks and segregation in the north stand Note to self ... Read things properly
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Post by thehorse on May 18, 2016 7:16:59 GMT
I'm not sure what difference this will make.
For teams with less than 600 fans the extra room won't be needed and for those with more they won't all fit in there anyway.
Also, will a temp stand for 600 make much difference in terms of keeping the atmosphere in and wind out? Maybe if it was 1200 rather than 600, but can't see how this will make a huge difference.
However, nice to see the club trying to do better.
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Post by oufcyellows on May 18, 2016 7:39:25 GMT
It will only be 6/8 rows high . If it goes full length
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Post by saddletramp on May 18, 2016 8:37:51 GMT
It must mean it would be for home fans, leaving away fans where they are. Facilities might be shared with south stand lower. No it's says away fans. It means 10k will be available for "every" game. Against smaller clubs who don't bring 600. 12.5k will be available to home fans. For Swindon and the bigger games, we will still have to give them 10% 1300 ish so 1.5 blocks and segregation in the north stand Well surely 10k are available anyway ? Pretty sure we had 10k plus home fans against Wycombe.It's the clubs choice to give Pompey,Northampton etc more tickets. P.S.Where does this 10% come from ?
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Post by oufcyellows on May 18, 2016 8:41:54 GMT
I think someone said its in the league rules. Not totally sure. The club gave Northampton and Pompey more because we were not selling our allocation, so why leave it empty when they can sell more. 600 additional seats just means u can sell the centre best seats in the north stand to season ticket holders and they won't have to move on big games. But he says it's not going to make money it's more about atmosphere and feel good factor
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Post by Mark on May 18, 2016 9:04:07 GMT
I wonder if it will be covered? I think the league rules mean you always have to offer away fans some covered seats.
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Post by politicalox on May 18, 2016 9:08:06 GMT
Well, I'm excited by this. It will change the atmosphere and feel of the stadium more than we might suspect.
Well done to the club, council - and Firoz Kassam - for getting this underway.
My question is whether the stand could be expanded for bigger games so we can always use the entire North Stand for home fans. I think the way temporary stands work is that it is relatively easy to bold on extra rows. From the OM article, it suggests the problem would be toilets and turnstiles. I'm not sure I entirely understand this bit unless we intending to keep blocks of the North Stand reserved for away fans.
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Post by oufcyellows on May 18, 2016 9:17:33 GMT
I wonder if it will be covered? I think the league rules mean you always have to offer away fans some covered seats. They can still give half a block of seats in the north stand to cover that, will probably use the facilities at then any way I would think
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Post by Long John Silver on May 18, 2016 9:28:55 GMT
I'm not sure what difference this will make. For teams with less than 600 fans the extra room won't be needed and for those with more they won't all fit in there anyway. Also, will a temp stand for 600 make much difference in terms of keeping the atmosphere in and wind out? Maybe if it was 1200 rather than 600, but can't see how this will make a huge difference. However, nice to see the club trying to do better. Any kind of a stand there in place of a fence will improve the atmosphere and feel of the ground, and possibly reduce the gales that sometimes blow through there!
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Post by McVicar on May 18, 2016 9:34:43 GMT
I wonder if it will be covered? I think the league rules mean you always have to offer away fans some covered seats. I'm not sure Gillingham do?
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Post by whatever on May 18, 2016 9:52:46 GMT
Why does it have to be seating ? Wasn't there about a thousand of us in that tiny stand behind the goal at Barnet? That'd do nicely!
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Post by old on May 18, 2016 10:09:36 GMT
It's great to see the club being forward looking, however my only concern would be the fact that the 600 seater stand will not pay for itself over the season. What does DE expect the min loss to be over the season?
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Post by sarge on May 19, 2016 12:33:26 GMT
A temporary stand incoperating safe standing/rail seating potentially could be 'funded' by contacting the manufacturers of rail seating/safe standing ( Celtic are installing a safe standing section during this current close season)
as a temporary stand, the safe standing/ rail seating makers potentially could use Oxford Uniteds temporary stand as a working, demonstration in the English league ...... again, potentially they would pay for the terracing/rail seating, as a promotion for their product so all the powers that be, FA, FL, safety nazis etc could make an assesment etc ...... over to Charlie's old buddy, now oufc top bannana, to get negotiating & if sucessful , it would put OUFC at the vanguard of safe standing in England
FSF have a campaign running re safe standing
OUFC chairman has said at fans forums that he supports safe standing
it cant be too hard to get a 4th stand more or less 'funded' by the company that makes safe standing rail seats, given that Charlies mate/former employee is meant to be a decent negotiator ?
maybe oxvox could get behind this as an option too?
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