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Post by baldy on Jan 28, 2011 14:03:07 GMT
OK, Moobs, put it another way. Do you think Holloway did everything in his power to maximise his teams chances of getting a result at Villa ? Do you think he could possibly have done anything else, however minor, that would have given him a better chance of a positive result ? Managers talk relentlessly about attention to detail in match preparation and how everything, from training to selection, is finely tuned for it to come together on a match day. You genuinely think this was the case in this instance or did Holloway have just half an eye on the Saturday fixture ? I think Holloway looked at the fixtures and rotated his squad to get the best result from both matches whereas MacArthy looked at maximising results only against relegation rivals OK, it was a close call in the end but how the heck can sending out your reserves at a ground where the top teams regularly field their best eleven be seen as a genuine attempt to get a result ? You wouldn't see Arsenal, Chelsea or Man U field their reserves at Villa so unless Holloway has such a high opinion of himself and his team that he feels his reserves can do whast the top dogs cant then I fail to see how this is not deliberately fielding a weakened team. As for Wolves only aiming to do it against relegation rivals well surely this is what Blackpool are guilty of too with their team specifically selected to keep back the likes of Adam, Campbell etc for a six pointer potential relegation battle the following Saturday.
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Post by moobs on Jan 28, 2011 14:07:13 GMT
I'm pretty sure if Man U were playing Villa Saturday and Real Madrid on the tuesday in the CL they would rest a few players in the Villa match with one eye on the CL fixture
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Post by baldy on Jan 28, 2011 15:00:21 GMT
I'm pretty sure if Man U were playing Villa Saturday and Real Madrid on the tuesday in the CL they would rest a few players in the Villa match with one eye on the CL fixture I agree, rest a few, but 10 ? No way. And bigger squads doesn't come into it with the 25 man rule.
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Post by sihath on Jan 28, 2011 15:11:55 GMT
I'm pretty sure if Man U were playing Villa Saturday and Real Madrid on the tuesday in the CL they would rest a few players in the Villa match with one eye on the CL fixture I agree, rest a few, but 10 ? No way. And bigger squads doesn't come into it with the 25 man rule. If you "rest" 1 or 11 then you are not playing your strongest team, which makes a farce of the FA's stance. Either you punish every team who doesn't play their strongest team (impossible to do - who decides what the strongest team is?) or you leave the managers to get on with their job.
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Post by Boogaloo on Jan 28, 2011 15:41:35 GMT
My personal opinion is that teams should be forced to play at least five players from their top XI of fit player in terms of games started for that season. But how can you possibly judge what the top XI is? Clubs don't have a set first XI, it changes depending on tactics, form etc. I would have it based on which 5 players have started the most games. Five is just a figure I picked out of thin air - It could be four - obivously you don't want that number too high, otherwise they may struggle to fit in regular 'first-teamers' coming back from injury like Lampard, Fabregas etc.
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Post by Boogaloo on Jan 28, 2011 16:00:02 GMT
I'm pretty sure if Man U were playing Villa Saturday and Real Madrid on the tuesday in the CL they would rest a few players in the Villa match with one eye on the CL fixture I agree, rest a few, but 10 ?No way. And bigger squads doesn't come into it with the 25 man rule. I seem to remember a certain Man Utd versus Hull in May 2009 where Darren Fletcher was the only first-teamer playing - This was of course because Man Utd had a Champions League final against Barcelona. And that was only because he was suspended for the final. Whether it's a Champions League Final against Barcelona, or a relegation six-pointer against Bolton, they are still very important matches for those concerned, and have a lot of money riding on them.
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Post by baldy on Jan 28, 2011 19:02:17 GMT
I agree, rest a few, but 10 ?No way. And bigger squads doesn't come into it with the 25 man rule. I seem to remember a certain Man Utd versus Hull in May 2009 where Darren Fletcher was the only first-teamer playing - This was of course because Man Utd had a Champions League final against Barcelona. And that was only because he was suspended for the final. Whether it's a Champions League Final against Barcelona, or a relegation six-pointer against Bolton, they are still very important matches for those concerned, and have a lot of money riding on them. Thats fine, but Moobs is saying Wolves aren't allowed to do that.
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Post by malcolmnl on Jan 29, 2011 7:36:28 GMT
Good post but let down by the childish 'manure' bits... Junior, are you on "the staff" for this forum? If so in the admin settings you can have a list of words that are not allowed, and change them allowed words.. So "Manure" becomes "Man Utd" This is not the Oxford Mail. We do not perform magic spelling or insertion of ***'s in Scunthorpe. We could if you like that sort of thing, but then it's all or nothing. That should kill off this forum in no time, I fear, if we did censorship. All we do is try to stay on the right side of the thin blue line that the law has drawn for us.
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Post by Chris1986 on Jan 29, 2011 10:03:03 GMT
Junior, are you on "the staff" for this forum? If so in the admin settings you can have a list of words that are not allowed, and change them allowed words.. So "Manure" becomes "Man Utd" This is not the Oxford Mail. We do not perform magic spelling or insertion of ***'s in Scunthorpe. We could if you like that sort of thing, but then it's all or nothing. That should kill off this forum in no time, I fear, if we did censorship. All we do is try to stay on the right side of the thin blue line that the law has drawn for us. I post on an Alfa Romeo forum, the word "alpha" automatically gets changed to "Alfa" lol. Back to the subject, the main difference between Blackpool and Wolves is that McCarthy actually came out and said before the game that they weren't worried about the Man Utd game because the Burnley game was bigger. I don't remember Holloway saying the same (could be wrong). Also Wolves did it before the 25 player squad rule. If you are restricted to 25 players in your squad then you should be entitled to play whichever of the 25 you want.
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Post by sihath on Jan 29, 2011 10:05:25 GMT
Junior, are you on "the staff" for this forum? If so in the admin settings you can have a list of words that are not allowed, and change them allowed words.. So "Manure" becomes "Man Utd" This is not the Oxford Mail. We do not perform magic spelling or insertion of ***'s in Scunthorpe. We could if you like that sort of thing, but then it's all or nothing. That should kill off this forum in no time, I fear, if we did censorship. All we do is try to stay on the right side of the thin blue line that the law has drawn for us. Not suggesting that you start censoring Malcolm, I was concerned about Juniors sensibilities Trouble is if you did chance "manure" to "Man Utd" and someone started a thread about gardening in Misc, you could end up with.... "a good way to ensure your roses grow well is to spread Man Utd around them in the spring, but you have to make sure you mix the Man Utd in well with the top soil"
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Post by tonyw on Jan 29, 2011 12:41:32 GMT
Man U/Arsenal/Chelsea etc. rotate their squads to maximise their chances of winning every game.
Wolves rotated their squad, sacrificing one game completely to increase their chances of winning another.
Blackpool rotated their squad - as far as I can tell - because Holloway is a complete nutter. There was no logical reason for doing what he did, because the game against Villa was not much harder than the West Ham game that followed it.
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