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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 12:06:58 GMT
ENSCO is not in the business of raising funds from supporter donations Are you making an allegation against ENSCO and their use of ticket revenue? Sorry Ricky I was under the impression that YA was solely a supporter based initiative and therefore has nothing to do with the club. Don't try to spin this genuine concern because you have no answers. I would imagine the club would be horrified if they read some of your posts regarding this issue, after all we know that your involvement is far greater than you would have us believe.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 12:11:06 GMT
JL your post is concerning to say the least. Yellow Army is NOT everyone it's a few. The fact that you admit that there is no real structure to the group is alarming to say the least as YA collects money and therefore has to be accountable. You made references in previous posts that highlighted alleged shortcoming within funds raised by the 12th man which were unfounded and accounts could prove so. Reading back YA was in fact a coming together of 3 groups, headed by yourself, Charlie Methven, Trevor Lambert and Mark Sennet. We are aware that Trevor and his group walked away from the YA in January/February 2013 which in turn led to their demise. We also know that YA have set up an account to bank monies raised. Where money is involved it is essential to have transparency and audit trails, therefore it should be straight forward to provide evidence on how monies are distributed, raised, held in reserves, spent etc etc. I'm sure you and other are working hard for the good of everyone, however it is of upmost importance that YA are transparent at all times when collecting funds. We are not talking about a few quid here and there, we are talking £1,0000s and it's only right and proper that the details are available on a regular basis. The £1 donations for drinking in the Manor Bar should be a fairly straight forward accounting issue, 200 pay at the entrance therefore £200 is collected. With this as an example, how many supporters have paid to enter the Manor Bar so far this season? I presume that these monies are recorded on a match by match basis? Your all doing a great job, but please give us the latest financial position as off the 30th October 2014 (3 months into the season) that way we all know how successful the YA is. In your reply you may like to confirm who handles the finances,banks the takings and who decides how they are distributed. You have already stated that there is no committee, however there has to be someone who has ultimate responsibility, and were they elected if so by whom if there is no committee? The above are all genuine questions which would be asked of any group who collects money on behalf of others. The problem is Mr Jones, you are being decisive. You don't ask genuine questions, you have an agenda. If you wish you discuss these issues under your real identity, then I'll be happy to answer any questions you have. Let's face it Joe you are wriggling along with others as you are not in a position to produce the information that has been requested. If you are then why all this fuss? Just get on with it and stop wasting our time with feeble posts such as yours.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 12:13:08 GMT
Are you making an allegation against ENSCO and their use of ticket revenue? Sorry Ricky I was under the impression that YA was solely a supporter based initiative and therefore has nothing to do with the club. Don't try to spin this genuine concern because you have no answers. I would imagine the club would be horrified if they read some of your posts regarding this issue, after all we know that your involvement is far greater than you would have us believe. This is getting interesting. Which post of mine would the club be horrified by? Also please blow my big secret wide open for everyone. Afterall you're in favour of transparency. What is my involvement?
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Post by John Lennon on Nov 14, 2014 12:14:51 GMT
Talk to me under your real identity. My name is Joe Nicholls, and I'm happy to talk to you and answer all your questions.
Or do you have something to hide? We both support Oxford, so no need for usernames.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 15:13:04 GMT
Talk to me under your real identity. My name is Joe Nicholls, and I'm happy to talk to you and answer all your questions. Or do you have something to hide? We both support Oxford, so no need for usernames. Thankyou Joe, I already knew your real name as for mine then I can yet again confirm that my real name is :- Mr N Jones. My friends call me Nick as can you. Now let's get down to the nitty gritty. All I have been asking for is an update of funds raised by Yellow Army since the beginning of the season 2014/15 and that's it. Now surely that not to onerous a task is it? just to make it easier break it down into the following:- manor bar entrance fee Yellow Army Day. merchandise sales Regular donations via DD or SO total to date = £ the names of those who manage the finances ie treasurer/s Theres no no need to be shy, I'm more than happy for the information to be shared between all and not just the chosen few.
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Post by John Lennon on Nov 14, 2014 15:40:39 GMT
Well 'Nick', you will just have to keep your eye on the YA website.
I've requested the update be made, and to follow up stemerrit's request.
When a fellow volunteer finds time, I'm sure you will get your answers.
Are you on Facebook or Twitter, Nick?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 18:13:01 GMT
Talk to me under your real identity. My name is Joe Nicholls, and I'm happy to talk to you and answer all your questions. Or do you have something to hide? We both support Oxford, so no need for usernames. Thankyou Joe, I already knew your real name as for mine then I can yet again confirm that my real name is :- Mr N Jones. My friends call me Nick as can you. Now let's get down to the nitty gritty. All I have been asking for is an update of funds raised by Yellow Army since the beginning of the season 2014/15 and that's it. Now surely that not to onerous a task is it? just to make it easier break it down into the following:- manor bar entrance fee Yellow Army Day. merchandise sales Regular donations via DD or SO total to date = £ the names of those who manage the finances ie treasurer/s Theres no no need to be shy, I'm more than happy for the information to be shared between all and not just the chosen few. How to win friends and influence people. You really expect people to help you when you're so rude and condescending. Joe is being incredibly polite because quite frankly I would have told you to do one by now. Perhaps it's time you grew up and started treating people with the respect you demand back
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Post by Mark on Nov 14, 2014 18:28:06 GMT
Yellow army isn't just about fund raising though. It's about raising the match day experience getting behind the team and manager etc. so why is funds raised such a vital question?
Unlike the blinkered old mates club who monopolised all unofficial merchandise for the outdated and unwanted 12th man fund. Couldn't be a bitter old man fed up his cosy club was asked to join in or get out could it, and finds his importance to the club has shrivelled away?
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Post by stokeu on Nov 14, 2014 18:35:23 GMT
I'm sure that those who run the YA and those who hold this information have nothing to hide, will be more than happy to publish details of how successful these fund raisers have been. It's very important for the future of YA that this information is published on an ongoing basis. I have no affiliation with YA and indeed have posted before that i dont think it is inclusive enough, but the above strikes me as divisive, having an agenda and a barely concealed accusation of malpractice. Can i suggest Mr N Jones that you have the balls to actually tell us what you want to know and why?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 18:47:55 GMT
Sorry Ricky I was under the impression that YA was solely a supporter based initiative and therefore has nothing to do with the club. Don't try to spin this genuine concern because you have no answers. I would imagine the club would be horrified if they read some of your posts regarding this issue, after all we know that your involvement is far greater than you would have us believe. This is getting interesting. Which post of mine would the club be horrified by? Also please blow my big secret wide open for everyone. Afterall you're in favour of transparency. What is my involvement? Still waiting "Nick". I'd hate to think you were just spouting whatever drifted into your head without any credible intelligence but I'm sure that's not the case. We know unfounded statements are not your thing.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 14, 2014 18:57:51 GMT
Now let's get down to the nitty gritty. All I have been asking for is an update of funds raised by Yellow Army since the beginning of the season 2014/15 and that's it. Now surely that not to onerous a task is it? just to make it easier break it down into the following:- ...... Regular donations via DD or SO ... Theres no no need to be shy, I'm more than happy for the information to be shared between all and not just the chosen few. An abject lesson in being rude and patronising. If I talked to my butler like that he'd deck me. Posted while smoking a Hoyo de Monterey Petit Robusto and quaffing a Singha.
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Post by stevegilbert on Nov 14, 2014 20:21:27 GMT
This is very unlike 'nick' to go missing after being asked a few simple questions. After all, he should be happy to answer questions to counter his questions.
I apologise now if I am not allowed to call you Nick but I thought, as we were all part of the yellow army that we could all be on first name terms.
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Post by Colin B on Nov 15, 2014 0:23:16 GMT
This is very unlike 'nick' to go missing after being asked a few simple questions. After all, he should be happy to answer questions to counter his questions. I apologise now if I am not allowed to call you Nick but I thought, as we were all part of the yellow army that we could all be on first name terms. No no no Steve ( I hope I can call you by your first name) it's not Yellow Army, it's YellowVoice that Nick belongs to.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 13:35:32 GMT
This is very unlike 'nick' to go missing after being asked a few simple questions. After all, he should be happy to answer questions to counter his questions. I apologise now if I am not allowed to call you Nick but I thought, as we were all part of the yellow army that we could all be on first name terms. No no no Steve ( I hope I can call you by your first name) it's not Yellow Army, it's YellowVoice that Nick belongs to. You seem to be obsessed with this Yellowvoice as you mention it in many of your posts. As for me answering questions, I'm not collecting money on behalf of the Yellow Army and therefore have no idea on what has or has not been raised since the beginning of this season. Where money is involved transparency is a number one priority as you may or may not be aware. Now back to the beginning, H ow much has been raised by the YA since the start of this season and who has ultimate responsibility for running the accounts???
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 13:42:00 GMT
Thankyou Joe, I already knew your real name as for mine then I can yet again confirm that my real name is :- Mr N Jones. My friends call me Nick as can you. Now let's get down to the nitty gritty. All I have been asking for is an update of funds raised by Yellow Army since the beginning of the season 2014/15 and that's it. Now surely that not to onerous a task is it? just to make it easier break it down into the following:- manor bar entrance fee Yellow Army Day. merchandise sales Regular donations via DD or SO total to date = £ the names of those who manage the finances ie treasurer/s Theres no no need to be shy, I'm more than happy for the information to be shared between all and not just the chosen few. Can I be clear Nick (and I hope you don't mind me calling you "Nick"); are you suggesting there has been some financial impropriety in the management of YA funds? I'm sure you're not. I'm sure you're just wanting a breakdown out of interest, but thought I'd ask. Well it's an interesting point that you have raised regarding certain issues. I don't believe for one moment there is any as you call "impropriety", however it would be advisable to follow the example set by the 12th man fund and Oxvox when it comes to being transparent regarding the raising of monies. So once again, how much has been raised by the YA initiatives so far this season? I'm sure that I'm not the only one who would like to know.
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Post by Robin Shater on Nov 16, 2014 13:59:29 GMT
Can I be clear Nick (and I hope you don't mind me calling you "Nick"); are you suggesting there has been some financial impropriety in the management of YA funds? I'm sure you're not. I'm sure you're just wanting a breakdown out of interest, but thought I'd ask. Well it's an interesting point that you have raised regarding certain issues. I don't believe for one moment there is any as you call "impropriety", however it would be advisable to follow the example set by the 12th man fund and Oxvox when it comes to being transparent regarding the raising of monies. So once again, how much has been raised by the YA initiatives so far this season? I'm sure that I'm not the only one who would like to know. Why are you so sure? You appear to be the only one that is asking?
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Post by finlandia on Nov 16, 2014 14:20:27 GMT
In all fairness, having been involved with numerous clubs which have taken monies through fundraising, some with and some without structure it's a common concern. But can't this all be put to bed with a detailed update?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 15:25:47 GMT
Agreed Finlandia and I believe there will be an update but to be fair plenty of the information is already on their website it just lacks a date. It's hardly the cloak and dagger stuff being inferred by "Nick"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 15:26:51 GMT
This is getting interesting. Which post of mine would the club be horrified by? Also please blow my big secret wide open for everyone. Afterall you're in favour of transparency. What is my involvement? Still waiting "Nick". I'd hate to think you were just spouting whatever drifted into your head without any credible intelligence but I'm sure that's not the case. We know unfounded statements are not your thing. Just in case you missed this "Nick"
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Post by Colin B on Nov 16, 2014 16:13:58 GMT
No no no Steve ( I hope I can call you by your first name) it's not Yellow Army, it's YellowVoice that Nick belongs to. You seem to be obsessed with this Yellowvoice as you mention it in many of your posts. As for me answering questions, I'm not collecting money on behalf of the Yellow Army and therefore have no idea on what has or has not been raised since the beginning of this season. Where money is involved transparency is a number one priority as you may or may not be aware. Now back to the beginning, H ow much has been raised by the YA since the start of this season and who has ultimate responsibility for running the accounts??? Nice try "Nick" "This YellowVoice" he says, as if he's never heard of it! Did you go on the little outing to Eastleigh with your internet chums? Or are you too mysterious for that?
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Post by stevegilbert on Nov 16, 2014 16:36:09 GMT
Joe has said he has asked the person who runs the website to put more detail on the funds already raised. As they are volunteers with a job, a family and other commitments i expect them to do it in their own time and not on demand from a jumped up person who hides behind a keyboard.
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Post by ox18 on Nov 16, 2014 21:47:59 GMT
Can I be clear Nick (and I hope you don't mind me calling you "Nick"); are you suggesting there has been some financial impropriety in the management of YA funds? I'm sure you're not. I'm sure you're just wanting a breakdown out of interest, but thought I'd ask. Well it's an interesting point that you have raised regarding certain issues. I don't believe for one moment there is any as you call "impropriety", however it would be advisable to follow the example set by the 12th man fund and Oxvox when it comes to being transparent regarding the raising of monies. So once again, how much has been raised by the YA initiatives so far this season? I'm sure that I'm not the only one who would like to know. Three pounds twenty pence, now can you either bury your head in the sand or maybe go to your first game of the season on saturday.
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Post by nick68 on Nov 20, 2014 23:08:02 GMT
Looking at the YA site, with regards to the Dave Langan expense I thought that was an OxVox fund not YA.
I am still pretty unclear about what the YA offers, it makes decisions on behalf of fans but there doesn't appear to be much if any canvassing of their opinions. Maybe I'm getting it all wrong but I'd certainly be reluctant investing in anything I have clouded views of.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 10:09:54 GMT
Looking at the YA site, with regards to the Dave Langan expense I thought that was an OxVox fund not YA. I am still pretty unclear about what the YA offers, it makes decisions on behalf of fans but there doesn't appear to be much if any canvassing of their opinions. Maybe I'm getting it all wrong but I'd certainly be reluctant investing in anything I have clouded views of. YA is the collective fanbase fundraising without any politics. As far as I'm aware the Dave Langan scenario was, indeed, fans fundraising money? I don't quite understand how anyone can have clouded views of fundraising for the youth & community trust and matchday experience, it's all very simple to me, and a great cause.
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Post by foley on Nov 21, 2014 10:46:53 GMT
Looking at the YA site, with regards to the Dave Langan expense I thought that was an OxVox fund not YA. I am still pretty unclear about what the YA offers, it makes decisions on behalf of fans but there doesn't appear to be much if any canvassing of their opinions. Maybe I'm getting it all wrong but I'd certainly be reluctant investing in anything I have clouded views of. Not sure many fans could care less about whether it was an Oxvox or YA fund? Most fans simply want the best for the club I would have thought. There are some positive signs coming out of the club now and surely it is time to forget old arguments and to get behind the club?
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Post by nick68 on Nov 22, 2014 19:11:14 GMT
Looking at the YA site, with regards to the Dave Langan expense I thought that was an OxVox fund not YA. I am still pretty unclear about what the YA offers, it makes decisions on behalf of fans but there doesn't appear to be much if any canvassing of their opinions. Maybe I'm getting it all wrong but I'd certainly be reluctant investing in anything I have clouded views of. YA is the collective fanbase fundraising without any politics. As far as I'm aware the Dave Langan scenario was, indeed, fans fundraising money? I don't quite understand how anyone can have clouded views of fundraising for the youth & community trust and matchday experience, it's all very simple to me, and a great cause. You say no politics but isn't that part of the reason the 12th Man no longer exists? At the end of the day if I'm contributing my hard earned money I like to know who's behind it, for the record I did contribute. Apologies for not understanding the difference in the meantime I will limit my expenditure to match tickets until I'm happy with the situation.
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Post by nick68 on Nov 22, 2014 19:15:24 GMT
Looking at the YA site, with regards to the Dave Langan expense I thought that was an OxVox fund not YA. I am still pretty unclear about what the YA offers, it makes decisions on behalf of fans but there doesn't appear to be much if any canvassing of their opinions. Maybe I'm getting it all wrong but I'd certainly be reluctant investing in anything I have clouded views of. Not sure many fans could care less about whether it was an Oxvox or YA fund? Most fans simply want the best for the club I would have thought. There are some positive signs coming out of the club now and surely it is time to forget old arguments and to get behind the club? I haven't mentioned old arguments or indeed care about them, sorry for expecting some clarification. Yes I want the best for the club as seems the new owners and over the years have invested my money with them and will continue to do so just not sure what that has to do with me asking a simple question.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 19:36:09 GMT
YA is the collective fanbase fundraising without any politics. As far as I'm aware the Dave Langan scenario was, indeed, fans fundraising money? I don't quite understand how anyone can have clouded views of fundraising for the youth & community trust and matchday experience, it's all very simple to me, and a great cause. You say no politics but isn't that part of the reason the 12th Man no longer exists? At the end of the day if I'm contributing my hard earned money I like to know who's behind it, for the record I did contribute. Apologies for not understanding the difference in the meantime I will limit my expenditure to match tickets until I'm happy with the situation. The 12th man was totally pointless in the football league. Money raised could only be spent on players, and in the FL players have higher wages and command larger fees, therefore it didn't contribute much to the club. That's why it no longer exists. YA allows fundraising for the youth and community trust, where similar figures can make a huge difference and help us develop better players. Not quite sure what problem you have?
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Post by nick68 on Nov 22, 2014 19:53:52 GMT
I don't have a problem as you suggest, I just asked a simple question which I stupidly thought someone may be able to answer. Sorry I'll refrain from seeking help on here in future!
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Post by nick68 on Nov 22, 2014 19:55:54 GMT
Surely the 12th Man fund could have spent money on whatever they liked in the same way as the YA so not sure how that's relevant.
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