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Post by bacon on Oct 25, 2014 6:27:00 GMT
the old school bully gets confronted by the 2 new boys... one of the new boys beats him up so bad that it really is awkward to watch. The second new lad comes in and finally puts the bully out of his misery and finishes him off...
all this in his own back yard
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 7:26:38 GMT
the old school bully gets confronted by the 2 new boys... one of the new boys beats him up so bad that it really is awkward to watch. The second new lad comes in and finally puts the bully out of his misery and finishes him off... all this in his own back yard ?
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Post by baldy on Oct 25, 2014 7:43:29 GMT
the old school bully gets confronted by the 2 new boys... one of the new boys beats him up so bad that it really is awkward to watch. The second new lad comes in and finally puts the bully out of his misery and finishes him off... all this in his own back yard ? Given the section it's in I'm guessing it's probably something to do with Man U against Chelsea. LVG, Costa, Fabregas perhaps ? If so, then you can imagine us vastly different to how I see it panning out. I think Man U will beat Chelsea by two clear goals. Nit because Man U are this great side but more because I just don't see what the fuss is about with Chelsea. They're grinders who, admittedly, know how to win football matches - largely due to the pragmatic tactics of a bland coach. Real, Barcelona, Bayern or Atletico they are not though.
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Post by bicesteryellow on Oct 25, 2014 7:51:44 GMT
Given the section it's in I'm guessing it's probably something to do with Man U against Chelsea. LVG, Costa, Fabregas perhaps ? If so, then you can imagine us vastly different to how I see it panning out. I think Man U will beat Chelsea by two clear goals. Nit because Man U are this great side but more because I just don't see what the fuss is about with Chelsea. They're grinders who, admittedly, know how to win football matches - largely due to the pragmatic tactics of a bland coach. Real, Barcelona, Bayern or Atletico they are not though. Neither are Manchester United. Whichever way you twist it, Chelsea are running away with the league and Manchester United are 6th.
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Post by bacon on Oct 25, 2014 7:52:58 GMT
Close Baldy.
It was more a case of Chelsea are going to destroy your lot and then the final nail in the coffin will come next weekend when City put you out of your misery. It could be a horrible, horrible seven days for the Reds
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Post by saddletramp on Oct 25, 2014 7:55:00 GMT
Given the section it's in I'm guessing it's probably something to do with Man U against Chelsea. LVG, Costa, Fabregas perhaps ? If so, then you can imagine us vastly different to how I see it panning out. I think Man U will beat Chelsea by two clear goals. Nit because Man U are this great side but more because I just don't see what the fuss is about with Chelsea. They're grinders who, admittedly, know how to win football matches - largely due to the pragmatic tactics of a bland coach. Real, Barcelona, Bayern or Atletico they are not though. Oh to see Oxford have a bland manager and grind out a 6-0 Champions league win with pragmatic tactics. Everyone raves about Man City's attacking flair,but say they have a dodgy defence,while people say Chelsea "park the bus" and grind out results. Well Chelsea have scored 23 goals this season,City have scored 18,(Man United 15,Arsenal 13) Hazard,Oscar,Fabregas,Matic,i would pay top dollar to watch a midfield filled with such exiting,flair players. Yes Chelsea can "park the bus" when needs must,i bet Brendan Rodgers,Arsene Wenger and LVG wish their teams could.
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Post by stevegilbert on Oct 25, 2014 7:57:47 GMT
Given the section it's in I'm guessing it's probably something to do with Man U against Chelsea. LVG, Costa, Fabregas perhaps ? If so, then you can imagine us vastly different to how I see it panning out. I think Man U will beat Chelsea by two clear goals. Nit because Man U are this great side but more because I just don't see what the fuss is about with Chelsea. They're grinders who, admittedly, know how to win football matches - largely due to the pragmatic tactics of a bland coach. Real, Barcelona, Bayern or Atletico they are not though. It's odd that you think Man U will beat Chelsea. I work with 2 Man U season ticket holders who actually don't fancy going because they both think it is going to be embarrassing and Chelsea will turn beat Man U easily. Still, I understand we should go with what you say rather than the real Man U fans who go every week.
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Post by saddletramp on Oct 25, 2014 8:00:38 GMT
Oh by the way,Man United are 21/10 best price to win tomorrow,dont ever remember them being such a big price at O/T. 18/1 2-0,25/1 3-1,90/1 4-2,500/1 5-3,(you said 2 clear goals baldy,but not the score) fill your boots.
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Post by bicesteryellow on Oct 25, 2014 8:03:06 GMT
Oh by the way,Man United are 21/10 best price to win tomorrow,dont ever remember them being such a big price at O/T. 18/1 2-0,25/1 3-1,90/1 4-2,500/1 5-3,(you said 2 clear goals baldy,but not the score) fill your boots. I may go for 5-3 then. I'll put £50 on it and become "Monacoyellow".
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Post by Junior on Oct 25, 2014 8:05:39 GMT
Given the section it's in I'm guessing it's probably something to do with Man U against Chelsea. LVG, Costa, Fabregas perhaps ? If so, then you can imagine us vastly different to how I see it panning out. I think Man U will beat Chelsea by two clear goals. Nit because Man U are this great side but more because I just don't see what the fuss is about with Chelsea. They're grinders who, admittedly, know how to win football matches - largely due to the pragmatic tactics of a bland coach. Real, Barcelona, Bayern or Atletico they are not though. Still, I understand we should go with what you say rather than the real Man U fans who go every week. Yet are considering not going tomorrow.. Some real fan.. Nothing wrong with Chelsea's tactics. Is say they've got the mix just about spot on...
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Post by bicesteryellow on Oct 25, 2014 8:10:18 GMT
Still, I understand we should go with what you say rather than the real Man U fans who go every week. Yet are considering not going tomorrow.. Some real fan.. Nothing wrong with Chelsea's tactics. Is say they've got the mix just about spot on... Do you have to attend every game to be a real fan? You vehemently defend Manchester United on here. Are you there tomorrow?
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Post by baldy on Oct 25, 2014 8:14:25 GMT
Could be a high scoring match because it's the most exciting strike force in England - albeit minus Rooney - with a suspect defence up against a one man strike force with goal scoring midfielders and an equally suspect defence. Both possess the two best keepers in the PL and successful managers despite their ideas being chalk and cheese.
I think we all know what is coming though - one bloody great big bus parked right across whichever end Man U are attacking. The boring t*at.
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Post by saddletramp on Oct 25, 2014 8:39:04 GMT
Could be a high scoring match because it's the most exciting strike force in England - albeit minus Rooney - with a suspect defence up against a one man strike force with goal scoring midfielders and an equally suspect defence. Both possess the two best keepers in the PL and successful managers despite their ideas being chalk and cheese. I think we all know what is coming though - one bloody great big bus parked right across whichever end Man U are attacking. The boring t*at. "the most exiting strike force in England" Is that the team that's scored 23,or the one that's scored 15 ? Man uniteds strike force,Van Persie 2 goals,Falcao 1 goal. Chelsea,Costa 9 goals on his own,says it all about strike forces.
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Post by baldy on Oct 25, 2014 8:47:44 GMT
Could be a high scoring match because it's the most exciting strike force in England - albeit minus Rooney - with a suspect defence up against a one man strike force with goal scoring midfielders and an equally suspect defence. Both possess the two best keepers in the PL and successful managers despite their ideas being chalk and cheese. I think we all know what is coming though - one bloody great big bus parked right across whichever end Man U are attacking. The boring t*at. "the most exiting strike force in England" Is that the team that's scored 23,or the one that's scored 15 ? Man uniteds strike force,Van Persie 2 goals,Falcao 1 goal. Chelsea,Costa 9 goals on his own,says it all about strike forces. Mourinho had his free season last season when he won naff all. Mourinho has had, what, 65 games in all competitions in charge (second time around) and very little to show for it bar leading a fledgling table in his second season. LVG has had nine games in charge - 55 less than Mourinho. If you want to compare then at least get it somewhere near a level playing field or at least let one of the managers get to double figures in games in charge.
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Post by scotchegg on Oct 25, 2014 9:02:04 GMT
LvG said to judge him after 3 months, then after a faltering start he said that time frame was stupid. So when should he be judged?
4 months? With Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal coming up it could look a lot worse.
Christmas? No guarantees he will get results against Southampton and Spurs and will trail the top two by a dozen or more points by then.
Wait until the end of the season? That was too late for Moyes last year and despite spending nearly £200m there is no guarantee that LvG will be much better off.
We were led to believe that LvG would storm this league but the goalposts are moved every time there is a poor result. It would be more refreshing if Baldy represented what every other Man Utd fan thinks by admitting that this has been a poor start.
Even Roy Keane has criticised the Man Utd mafia who are incapable of seeing the seriousness of the situation they're in.
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Post by baldy on Oct 25, 2014 9:10:31 GMT
LvG said to judge him after 3 months, then after a faltering start he said that time frame was stupid. So when should he be judged? 4 months? With Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal coming up it could look a lot worse. Christmas? No guarantees he will get results against Southampton and Spurs and will trail the top two by a dozen or more points by then. Wait until the end of the season? That was too late for Moyes last year and despite spending nearly £200m there is no guarantee that LvG will be much better off. We were led to believe that LvG would storm this league but the goalposts are moved every time there is a poor result. It would be more refreshing if Baldy represented what every other Man Utd fan thinks by admitting that this has been a poor start. Even Roy Keane has criticised the Man Utd mafia who are incapable of seeing the seriousness of the situation they're in. My god that's naive. It really is. Nine football matches to date to sort out a right mess. As we stand I think they're ahead of Arsenal who have had the same manager in place for twenty years. Are they ahead of Liverpool ? I haven't looked but they're not far away. Three months in I think he's doing well. The football is far more watchable than it ever was under Motes and I'd go so far as to say that it's the Man U of old in the way they are at teams with pace. The football wasn't altogether great in Fergies last two seasons so in nine games he has at least showed signs of restoring the Man U way of old. What about Mourinho last season ? Useless. Undone tactically time and time again. Take his bus away and he's fucked.
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Post by scotchegg on Oct 25, 2014 9:28:56 GMT
So when would you judge him, and by what standard? Is it a case of finishing in the top 4, or does the gap between Man Utd and the winners matter?
Because despite Chelsea having no out and out striker last season they still finished 3rd, and about 5 or 6 points off the top.
Every Man Utd fan I know would rip your arm off if you offered them that right now.
So, just so we know your expectations, what is the minimum you think LvG should deliver this season?
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Post by Young Money on Oct 25, 2014 9:35:13 GMT
I actually think Man Utd will get a result against Chelsea, for some reason. Maybe a draw.
I think Baldy is being a bit harsh on Mourinho though, one of the most successful managers of all time. They didn't have a great year last season but it was one of the first times in his career that he didn't win something. And this year you're wrong about them being defensive - they're quite attacking, and score a lot of goals. They arguably have the best defence as well (in terms of players, not goals conceded)
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 25, 2014 9:40:10 GMT
So is fourth an achievement now as arsenal r always slated for being happy just to get that every year.
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Post by baldy on Oct 25, 2014 9:43:14 GMT
This season he needs a top four finish but he needs to restore watchable football played with a panache, an arrogance and devilment - and he's doing that. Yes, there's been these lapses like Leicester but that's Manchester United, it always has been. Ferguson's mantra was that they never achieve anything easily and he was. right but it's part of the package and excitement that makes the club what it is.
They could never grind out results. Sit on 1-0's is not their way. I think he will achieve top four but I'm an optimist, a glass half full sort of person. I think they can win the title, I genuinely do. Call me bonkers by all means but beat Chelsea tomorrow and anything is on. LVG claims they are one result, one performance, from lift off and it could be tomorrow .
There's nothing in the PL scary. Chelsea and City are strong but they're not frightening. You wouldn't go to Stamford Bridge or The Etihad fearing a beating that's for sure. Liverpool would have feared an absolute stuffing the other night against Real. Chelsea wouldn't frighten teams the way Europes current top two or three do.
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Post by scotchegg on Oct 25, 2014 9:53:26 GMT
So 4th is good enough for Man Utd then?
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Post by bacon on Oct 25, 2014 10:29:12 GMT
City will destroy United next week. Will be 4 or 5 for city
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 10:29:36 GMT
This forum can be so sh1t sometimes.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 25, 2014 10:46:27 GMT
This season he needs a top four finish but he needs to restore watchable football played with a panache, an arrogance and devilment - and he's doing that. Yes, there's been these lapses like Leicester but that's Manchester United, it always has been. Ferguson's mantra was that they never achieve anything easily and he was. right but it's part of the package and excitement that makes the club what it is. They could never grind out results. Sit on 1-0's is not their way. I think he will achieve top four but I'm an optimist, a glass half full sort of person. I think they can win the title, I genuinely do. Call me bonkers by all means but beat Chelsea tomorrow and anything is on. LVG claims they are one result, one performance, from lift off and it could be tomorrow . There's nothing in the PL scary. Chelsea and City are strong but they're not frightening. You wouldn't go to Stamford Bridge or The Etihad fearing a beating that's for sure. Liverpool would have feared an absolute stuffing the other night against Real. Chelsea wouldn't frighten teams the way Europes current top two or three do. Utd didn't fear city when they came to old Trafford 3 years ago under fergie. The non scary noisy neighbours won 6-1
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Post by stevegilbert on Oct 25, 2014 11:12:44 GMT
Still, I understand we should go with what you say rather than the real Man U fans who go every week. Yet are considering not going tomorrow.. Some real fan.. Nothing wrong with Chelsea's tactics. Is say they've got the mix just about spot on... Oh dear, try reading it again. I said they don't fancy going, they are still going though. When I had a season ticket at Oxford there were many times I didn't fancy going, I still did though.
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Post by scotchegg on Oct 25, 2014 12:06:31 GMT
This forum can be so sh1t sometimes. Only sometimes?!
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Post by mariokempes on Oct 25, 2014 19:35:47 GMT
Given the section it's in I'm guessing it's probably something to do with Man U against Chelsea. LVG, Costa, Fabregas perhaps ? If so, then you can imagine us vastly different to how I see it panning out. I think Man U will beat Chelsea by two clear goals. Nit because Man U are this great side but more because I just don't see what the fuss is about with Chelsea. They're grinders who, admittedly, know how to win football matches - largely due to the pragmatic tactics of a bland coach. Real, Barcelona, Bayern or Atletico they are not though. Love an unbiased opinion
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Post by mariokempes on Oct 25, 2014 19:38:13 GMT
Close Baldy. It was more a case of Chelsea are going to destroy your lot and then the final nail in the coffin will come next weekend when City put you out of your misery. It could be a horrible, horrible seven days for the Reds Fingers Crossed
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Post by unification on Oct 25, 2014 22:48:41 GMT
Considering how poor Liverpool look this season and with nearly £150m spent on transfer fees alone, I'd damn well expect to be finishing at least fourth if I were a Man Yoo sympathiser. Who else is there to claim it? Spurs? Southampton?
If LVG can't get fourth with that attack and with Liverpool still reeling from losing Suarez, he deserves sacking.
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Post by saddletramp on Oct 26, 2014 7:14:42 GMT
"the most exiting strike force in England" Is that the team that's scored 23,or the one that's scored 15 ? Man uniteds strike force,Van Persie 2 goals,Falcao 1 goal. Chelsea,Costa 9 goals on his own,says it all about strike forces. Mourinho had his free season last season when he won naff all. Mourinho has had, what, 65 games in all competitions in charge (second time around) and very little to show for it bar leading a fledgling table in his second season. LVG has had nine games in charge - 55 less than Mourinho. If you want to compare then at least get it somewhere near a level playing field or at least let one of the managers get to double figures in games in charge. Contradicting yourself again Baldy. You say "cant judge LVG after only nine games in charge" This was after you posting "the most exciting strike force in England" which I think is judging them after 9 games. Make your mind up.
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