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Post by helsinkiyellow on Sept 28, 2014 0:22:45 GMT
Chippy attitude and circumstances of departure (who I personally lay blame at IL's contract handling skills) aside, has the perception of Wilder improved?
Backed on and off the pitch by the Cobblers board. Saves team from relegation and now sitting 5th in the league. Appleton has had far more resources at his disposal than the managers under IL's misery regime but look where we sit.
Given the circumstances at the time, it was right he left. He had to go. I wouldn't want him back either. I admire what MApp is trying to implement. And yet, and yet... I must admit to having some thoughts of "what if?"
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Post by scotchegg on Sept 28, 2014 0:34:12 GMT
I never had a major issue with Wilder. He was limited as a manager but seemed to get the best out of who he had. He deserves credit for taking us as far as he did, and think we would have made the playoffs if he'd stayed.
But he didn't stay and he is part of our past now. I'm not surprised that he has started well at Northampton but then you can say that Wycombe were woeful last season but challenging this too.
Appleton inherited a poor squad only a few weeks before the season started. Wilder and most others had last season to assess their squad and a full preseason to rebuild. Given time I honestly think Appleton will start to get things right and will take us beyond the ceiling Wilder was capable of.
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Post by billyox on Sept 28, 2014 8:20:50 GMT
Let's wait til the end of the season with wilder we all know his teams start well then fade after Xmas happened every season he was with us I expect the same will happen at northampton
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Post by slimjim on Sept 28, 2014 8:51:36 GMT
Yawnnnnnnnnnnn! HE HAS GONE -THANK FU#K
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Post by uptheus on Sept 28, 2014 9:30:16 GMT
I never had a major issue with Wilder. He was limited as a manager but seemed to get the best out of who he had. He deserves credit for taking us as far as he did, and think we would have made the playoffs if he'd stayed. But he didn't stay and he is part of our past now. I'm not surprised that he has started well at Northampton but then you can say that Wycombe were woeful last season but challenging this too. Appleton inherited a poor squad only a few weeks before the season started. Wilder and most others had last season to assess their squad and a full preseason to rebuild. Given time I honestly think Appleton will start to get things right and will take us beyond the ceiling Wilder was capable of. You're f*cking joking aren't you? Virtually every player that that came to us who were good at their previous club were shite after a few games under Wilder's management.
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Sept 28, 2014 10:34:32 GMT
Yawnnnnnnnnnnn! HE HAS GONE -THANK FU#K Apologies for going over old ground. Ideally, I wish to mentally consign CW to the history books. Unfortunately, the current L2 table is providing a constant reminder! Maybe it's just my problem.
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Post by amarillo on Sept 30, 2014 9:15:59 GMT
Agree with your sentiments helsinki. I'm not one for living in the past, but I think we weren't a million miles away from real success under Wilder. I also think he's harshly rated by our fans. He should be ranked as one of our better managers, yet in popularity terms he'd probably be nearer the bottom of the list.
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Post by slimjim on Sept 30, 2014 9:21:25 GMT
Wilder has gone
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Post by amarillo on Sept 30, 2014 11:39:24 GMT
yawn don't read the thread if you don't like the subject being talked about
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Post by govy0865 on Sept 30, 2014 11:41:53 GMT
It was you lot that wanted him gone in the first place with his boring football and arrogant statements
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Post by ox1yellow on Sept 30, 2014 11:50:34 GMT
Please move on.
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Post by unification on Sept 30, 2014 12:06:51 GMT
I said just after he left that history would probably end up being kind to Wilder. He left with a winning record and, whilst we were all getting fed up with the turgid football and inevitable collapse that seemed to sum up most of our seasons with him, he didn’t leave because of the fans as some on here still want to believe.
I think that Wilder, given the resources, can get a side promoted from this league and I think he’ll prove that with Northampton. Since IL pushed KT aside, I don’t think Wilder has been nearly as well supported by a board financially as he is now so it will be interesting to see how he copes with it. Back in our first season back in League 2, he spent in a scattergun way on pointless loanees when we didn’t need them or on players with contracts that rolled on for too long. I think Oxford have been his apprenticeship as a League manager and he has learned that canniness in the transfer market is key. His signings at Northampton – like John-Joe O’Toole and Marc Richards – command respect from anyone who knows what League 2 is about.
I’d sooner have Northampton’s position in the table than our current one that’s for sure!
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Post by amarillo on Sept 30, 2014 13:46:12 GMT
the past provides lessons for the future Reflecting on the past doesn't mean you haven't moved on. feel free to skip the discussion if you're not interested, but if others wish to reflect on the past why do you have a problem with it?
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Post by southupper on Sept 30, 2014 14:09:33 GMT
He might have employed turgid tactics, and his teams faded towards the end of each season, however he got us out of that "poxy league". He was not the best at signing players as many never lived up to expectations, but credit where credit is due, he was not the worst manager the U's have had over the years.
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Post by proudsaxon on Sept 30, 2014 15:37:40 GMT
So bored of Mr f*cking wilder.
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Post by amarillo on Sept 30, 2014 15:52:33 GMT
So bored of Mr f*cking wilder. so bored of the anti Wilder brigade He has left you know Get over it. What is it that makes some people so touchy about it?
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 30, 2014 16:01:46 GMT
So bored of Mr f*cking wilder. so bored of the anti Wilder brigade He has left you know Get over it. What is it that makes some people so touchy about it? To be fair I think the anti wilder fans have got over it. It's the pro wilder fans that keep pointing out how much better he would have been doing
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Post by amarillo on Sept 30, 2014 16:05:19 GMT
To be fair I think the anti wilder fans have got over it. Doesn't look like it reading this thread! I haven't been active on the forum recently so maybe people are reacting to pro Wilder fans constantly saying I told you so, but there is nothing here to justify the reaction.
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Post by oxfordboy on Sept 30, 2014 17:07:50 GMT
Good manager Not great to watch, and got worse towards the end in this regard We had the same faults year after year He was right to go imo but if he'd had real confidence in himself he'd have stayed Doing well at Northampton but they have a very big budget which we couldn't have offered him, so the talk of where we'd be if he'd have stayed is pointless.
Deserves credit for what he did for us, but as I said above I don't respect his decision to go.
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Post by bristoloxman on Sept 30, 2014 22:44:47 GMT
What people are annoyed about is the fact Northampton are doing so much better than us, including having scored twice the goals we have. If we were in the playoffs, or even top half, we wouldn't give a damn!
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Post by bazzer9461 on Sept 30, 2014 22:50:17 GMT
We should all just stop talking about him .
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 1, 2014 5:29:45 GMT
What people are annoyed about is the fact Northampton are doing so much better than us, including having scored twice the goals we have. If we were in the playoffs, or even top half, we wouldn't give a damn! R they. I couldn't say I even notice where they r in the league or give a shit what scores they get. Apart from twice a year.
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Post by amarillo on Oct 1, 2014 9:12:59 GMT
We should all just stop talking about him . why? If some people want to raise a point then why shouldn't they? if you don't like his name mentioned then don't open the thread with his name as a title!
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Post by yellowg on Oct 1, 2014 10:39:57 GMT
Oufc didn't suit wilder anymore, and vice versa. He spent a chunk of his management career improving our status, and probably felt that it was Time to go.
Northampton's chairman made a large financial commitment to wilder and was quick to secure him after feeling his credentials were exceptional. I get a feeling its only sections within oufc who don't rate him.
Appleton is our manager now, and he has to produce in the near future or he is gonna struggle to find another job. I believe he will.
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Post by barmyarmy on Oct 1, 2014 10:54:25 GMT
Oufc didn't suit wilder anymore, and vice versa. He spent a chunk of his management career improving our status, and probably felt that it was Time to go. Northampton's chairman made a large financial commitment to wilder and was quick to secure him after feeling his credentials were exceptional. I get a feeling its only sections within oufc who don't rate him. Appleton is our manager now, and he has to produce in the near future or he is gonna struggle to find another job. I believe he will. Northampton were not quick to appoint Wilder, they had a managerial vacancy for weeks. If they thought his credentials were exceptional he would have been appointed within a week, he couldnt leave us quick enough. I dont know where you get that feeling from, Wilder applied for many jobs and let potential employers know he was available for two years yet his first offer was from a team in 23rd in league two. Perhaps under achieving to budget and boring the tits off the fan base while reminding them how lucky they were to have him wasnt such a turn on for may owners/chairman that were after a manager.
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Post by grumpygit on Oct 1, 2014 11:41:58 GMT
Wilder is great at getting teams up the league, but they don't stay there. We failed in the conference to get automatic promotion and have failed to get in the playoffs in League 2.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Oct 1, 2014 14:46:54 GMT
We should all just stop talking about him . why? If some people want to raise a point then why shouldn't they? if you don't like his name mentioned then don't open the thread with his name as a title! A bit sad aren't you
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Oct 1, 2014 15:14:02 GMT
why? If some people want to raise a point then why shouldn't they? if you don't like his name mentioned then don't open the thread with his name as a title! A bit sad aren't you Expertly argued Bazza, ball is firmly in Amarillo's court. Good job!
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Post by proudsaxon on Oct 1, 2014 19:50:08 GMT
So bored of Mr f*cking wilder. so bored of the anti Wilder brigade He has left you know Get over it. What is it that makes some people so touchy about it? Is the magic Mr wilder still at oxford united?? NO so why keep on about him. Bloke done well for the club jumped ship, doing well down the road as we can all see, fair play.fully got over it. The touchy point is why keep on about wilder?? Do Liverpool fans turn round every week and go well..... at this point under shankly! Course they don't! So cut the wilder bollocks and get behind APPLETON and oxford united.
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Post by amarillo on Oct 6, 2014 14:25:07 GMT
Is the magic Mr wilder still at oxford united?? NO so why keep on about him. Bloke done well for the club jumped ship, doing well down the road as we can all see, fair play.fully got over it. The touchy point is why keep on about wilder?? Do Liverpool fans turn round every week and go well..... at this point under shankly! Course they don't! So cut the wilder bollocks and get behind APPLETON and oxford united. I'm not keeping on about him, I don't give a damn about him. I am just arguing that if someone wants to mention him they should be able to without people jumping down their throats! Now I'm being jumped on for simply saying that people should be able to mention him! get over it.
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