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Post by sox on Sept 27, 2014 19:33:43 GMT
It wasn't good today. John Sill had us sussed, we lost the game in the first few 20 mins ... They were at us and we didn't have time to play, and the players seemed unable to cope, coupled with defensive suicide with the early goal. After 20 mins we dominated ... But counts for nowt with no end product, then losing Collins didn't help and we started to fizzle out... For 5 mins brown perked us up but it was all too late by then. All in all a bad day... But I still preferred watching it to 'Wilder Time' (maybe there something wrong with me lol)... there is NOWAY we'll go down lol
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Post by ubermeistervonmeat on Sept 27, 2014 20:13:05 GMT
I am afraid our boss is either totally deluded or every bit as arrogant and stubborn as the great CW. I dont know about sleepwalking back to the conference but we could well tippy tappy pass our way there. And anybody who is seriously still talking promotion is even more deluded than our manager.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 20:15:30 GMT
Any chances of promotion now look buried. Until we start putting together a good run with some clean sheets we will be hovering around the bottom six I fear
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Post by yellowg on Sept 27, 2014 21:00:17 GMT
I pray we don't go down. Im not shitting myself just yet, but we have to get a move on.
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Post by TallRob on Sept 27, 2014 21:01:21 GMT
Appleton's style of play might be great for the Premiership and Championship..... but it won't work in this league. So True!!! One win in Ten tell you that!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 21:05:41 GMT
Last season 81 points got you automatic promotion.
So assuming this season's requirement is the same, we need 74 more points from 36 games. A 22-8-6 record would do it. The problem is we need a pretty rapid improvement on our current 1-4-5, and then to sustain it.
Auto-promotion is not impossible, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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Post by socrates on Sept 27, 2014 21:06:31 GMT
An honest, simple question to those who still think all will come good
How many more games is it going to take for you to realise this is a very poor side? Another five? After 20 games? 25?
I've seen some very poor Oxford sides down the years and, of course, there have been far worse ones than this
However, this has to be the worst For its arrogance and delusion.
It stinks that players and staff think all they need to do is pass it between each other over ten yards
There is no gumption to do the basic things right. No will. Defend the ball in the air, get a block in, bust a gut for the final ball, be aggressive.
They're is this bizarre belief that they are above it all. No one - Mapp included - will get their hands dirty or dig in.
Said it once said it before, what this team really desperately needs is wake up call. A good beating so that those that count see sense
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Post by East Challow Yellow on Sept 27, 2014 21:08:49 GMT
An honest, simple question to those who still think all will come good How many more games is it going to take for you to realise this is a very poor side? Another five? After 20 games? 25? I've seen some very poor Oxford sides down the years and, of course, there have been far worse ones than this However, this has to be the worst For its arrogance and delusion. It stinks that players and staff think all they need to do is pass it between each other over ten yards There is no gumption to do the basic things right. No will. Defend the ball in the air, get a block in, bust a gut for the final ball, be aggressive. They're is this bizarre belief that they are above it all. No one - Mapp included - will get their hands dirty or dig in. Said it once said it before, what this team really desperately needs is wake up call. A good beating so that those that count see sense Whatever honest, accurate assessment of the current state of our team.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 27, 2014 22:01:39 GMT
How long we do we wait for Appleton's hubris to subside? The football is lovely to watch, but the question is, how do we cope when teams are physical with us and give us no time to pass? How do we keep a clean sheet when the game is so open and commit so many numbers forward? I have no confidence we can defend a lead or keep a clean sheet.
My concern is opponents have already sussed us out and we carry on regardless because a result is around the corner. I don't want the focus on passing to change, but our football is too polite and passive for League 2. When we don't have the ball, we are vulnerable. Have we made the opposition work hard in the final third this season?
I want to believe in our ethos of playing the game, but at the moment my concern is we are sitting on our principles and frittering away the season unnecessarily. We have the talent in place to be successful. I dread getting 20 games into the season and still hearing someone will get a tanking soon while we struggle at the bottom of the league. We need points right now, not style points.
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Post by monsieurgrumpy on Sept 27, 2014 22:10:32 GMT
An honest, simple question to those who still think all will come good How many more games is it going to take for you to realise this is a very poor side? Another five? After 20 games? 25? I've seen some very poor Oxford sides down the years and, of course, there have been far worse ones than this However, this has to be the worst For its arrogance and delusion. It stinks that players and staff think all they need to do is pass it between each other over ten yards There is no gumption to do the basic things right. No will. Defend the ball in the air, get a block in, bust a gut for the final ball, be aggressive. They're is this bizarre belief that they are above it all. No one - Mapp included - will get their hands dirty or dig in. Said it once said it before, what this team really desperately needs is wake up call. A good beating so that those that count see sense Completely agree with your assessment. A performance like this today would not have got a result against any team in this division, maybe not against a side in the Conference. Luton were almost out of sight in the first two minutes and were never in danger of ever conceding against our pathetic attacking play. Half-hearted shots or wild strikes from ridiculous positions are not going to produce many goals this year. And all this nonsense I read about pretty passing football! Yeah well I might start to be convinced if it is used to unlock defences, not just knock it around in your own half. Wilder's teams used to do a few pretty passes in defence before hoofing it wastefully down the field. What's the difference? Today it took thirteen minutes before the Luton keeper got his first touch of the ball, to take a goal kick- two minutes quicker than the Southend keeper. well hallelujah! Barnett looked a shadow of the player he was at Crawley and fell over weakly the first time he came into contact with a much smaller opponent. Oxford need to play him up front as a dual striker to get the best out of him. He will achieve no more than Smalley did playing where he did today. And I see Still, like Brown at Southend, said he told his players to press Oxford from the start and they will wilt. He was right. They see us as a bunch of big girls' blouses. Unless we can show much more grit and intent flocks, we are heading for the Conference for sure. Have a good evening.
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Post by oxfordmitch on Sept 28, 2014 7:52:51 GMT
Annoying we are still not picking up points still, but I think we can afford close to another 10 games before panicking or believing we are actually in a relegation dog fight.
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Post by oxford84 on Sept 28, 2014 8:21:29 GMT
Appleton's style of play might be great for the Premiership and Championship..... but it won't work in this league. Strange as in the Oxford v Dagenham thread a few weeks back you claimed that you were passing it on the floor and no hoof ball and that it was a similar style to us,this must mean that it doesnt work for you either. Dumb arse.
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Post by uptheus on Sept 28, 2014 8:54:38 GMT
My first game in a while for a long while and I wasn't impressed. I really think that the attitude of some fans on here is that they'd be happy by watching us in training - eleven men passing it between themselves and doing bugger all with it. Possession and obvious passing is absolutely meaningless if it doesn't result in anything. To be honest, today's game bored me. Oxford had all of the possession, but Luton had done their homework. The home side pressed, forced Oxford into errors and took a couple of chances. Oxford meanwhile kept at the same, pedestrian pace and above all else obvious set of passes. We signposted everything. By the end, O'Dowda and Barnett were shrugging at each other as neither knew what else to do. There wasn't a plan B at all and Appleton has openly said that he doesn't believe in one! They key problem with Appleton's tactics is that it takes so long to create a chance that you really have to score it when it occurs. I was worried by that display. Luton didn't have to do much to beat us at all. I bet this post won't be popular, but I'm now in the seriously worried camp if we persist with that approach. Results are starting to prove it doesn't work. Absolutely spot on. Up until today I've been pleased with our performances, but obviously not the result. Luton were not a great team and yet they made us look ordinary. We looked laboured, lacked ideas and with no penetration/end product. I've seen Barnett play three games now and he looks awful, cannot control the ball, hold it up, win headers, pass or score goals, oh and he's lazy. If he represents the player DNA that Ashton was referring to at the fans forum that the club want then we're in deep shit. I think MApp needs to start asking questions about himself to. Last week against Stevenage it was clear that Jakubiak should have come on to terrorise their left back, but he didn't make that change. It was also clear that again Barnett was blowing out of his arse after 65/70mins and he needed to bring on Morris, but he didn't. These players and the rest if the squad will start to get p*ssed off if they don't get their chance to play, especially when we're not getting the results, and they'll start to lose match fitness when required. Don't get me wrong, I much prefer the style of football we've been playing, but after today's performance I am starting to get very concerned.
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Post by uptheus on Sept 28, 2014 8:59:10 GMT
It wasn't good today. John Sill had us sussed, we lost the game in the first few 20 mins ... They were at us and we didn't have time to play, and the players seemed unable to cope, coupled with defensive suicide with the early goal. After 20 mins we dominated ... But counts for nowt with no end product, then losing Collins didn't help and we started to fizzle out... For 5 mins brown perked us up but it was all too late by then. All in all a bad day... But I still preferred watching it to 'Wilder Time' (maybe there something wrong with me lol)... there is NOWAY we'll go down lol To be honest mate I didn't notice much difference between the Wilder style of football and the way we played yesterday. Was pretty bored with our performance as it looked like we'd never score which is how I felt under Wilder. Was even concerned with MApp's comments after the game as it felt like b*llshit e.g. We've got to take our chances (wouldn't have minded if we had some) and restrict the opposition, no shit Sherlock, which was also a Wilder trait.
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Post by fat bloke on Sept 28, 2014 15:00:35 GMT
Look forward to Torquay and bristol rovers next season big time...
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Post by yellowg on Sept 28, 2014 15:34:54 GMT
Going down isn't an option,,,,or we are finished.
We have to man up first and foremost in both penalty areas or this season will be the worst in our memory. We decide to do that then we stand a chance of doing OK as the football is decent on the whole.
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Post by monsieurgrumpy on Sept 28, 2014 16:04:09 GMT
We are now officially the second worst team in the whole of the Football League. After we play Carlisle at the end of the month, we might even be the worst. Not that it makes a lot of difference the way things are going - the bottom two teams get relegated to The Conference anyway. Or maybe we are banking on some unfortunate team like Accrington going bust?
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 28, 2014 16:08:21 GMT
While I can't see them getting rid of mapp at the min, it's even less unlikely that they would just blindly let us drop into non league. The costs of that could quite literally kill the club
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Post by charliesghost on Sept 28, 2014 16:14:50 GMT
Going down isn't an option,,,,or we are finished. We have to man up first and foremost in both penalty areas or this season will be the worst in our memory. We decide to do that then we stand a chance of doing OK as the football is decent on the whole. Yellwg, this is the point I made to weeks ago, after Exeter. That when it comes to maintaining the club's league status there is no time like the present to start the battle. The sooner we start, the sooner we will win that battle. The traditional way of looking at football is that first you make sure that, as a team, your attitude is competitive. Second, each player has to make sure that he wins his individual battles. Next up, you build from the back, and take the attitude that good attacking football is based on a consistent defence. The phrase 'cart before horse' comes to mind in relation to our current state. We spent years proving that short-term loanees, en masse, are a disaster. But here we are, back in the same old situation with 6 loanees playing week in, week out, when players equally as effective are sitting it out. How much will our squad really lose in effectiveness at both ends of the pitch when Long, Riley, Morris, Jakubiak et al go back? I shall leave others to answer that question. Time for all of us to 'man up' to the reality of our situation and stop poncing around preening ourselves. 14 of the Premier League clubs start every season determined to avoid the drop, and act accordingly until they are safe. Who the hell are we to treat League 2 with the contempt that some of our supporters seem to assume? Cripes we of all clubs know how bloody tough it is. Personally I don't care if it's Plan A, Plan B, Plan A plus 1 or Plan z. The basics of football are always the same: if you do not first earn the right to play, you should not expect to be allowed to play. The teams who are likely to be 'down there' at the end of the season are already fired up and firing. Exeter, Accy, Mansfield, Hartlepool, Carlisle - these, right now, are our competition. Once we've got 50 points on the board, let's look at a new group of rivals. And, for those who like to ignore facts, a reminder: to get to 50 points before the 'run in of the last six games' we need 43 points from the next 30 games. That is 12 wins, 7 draws and 11 defeats. That is eminently do-able - and I believe that we will do it - but it's hardly a gimme for a side who haven't beaten 11 men in 20 league games, and therefore shouldn't be treated as a gimme.
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Post by monsieurgrumpy on Sept 28, 2014 16:24:57 GMT
Our attitude is not competitive and hasn't been for a long time. Yesterday was a typical example, especially when we went two goals behind. We had players just going through the motions as if it were a pre-season friendly. How many times in recent years have you seen Oxford turn around a one goal deficit, never mind two.
Yesterday, for Christ, it was at Luton, probably our biggest rivals after Swindon and in front of the largest crowd in the division. From the word go, there was only one team who looked up for it. Pretty football won't get us anywhere but down without at least matching the commitment of the opposition.
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Post by yellowken on Sept 28, 2014 17:34:38 GMT
An honest, simple question to those who still think all will come good How many more games is it going to take for you to realise this is a very poor side? Another five? After 20 games? 25? I've seen some very poor Oxford sides down the years and, of course, there have been far worse ones than this However, this has to be the worst For its arrogance and delusion. It stinks that players and staff think all they need to do is pass it between each other over ten yards There is no gumption to do the basic things right. No will. Defend the ball in the air, get a block in, bust a gut for the final ball, be aggressive. They're is this bizarre belief that they are above it all. No one - Mapp included - will get their hands dirty or dig in. Said it once said it before, what this team really desperately needs is wake up call. A good beating so that those that count see sense You've got it spot on there. None of our previous poor managers in Div 2, Rix, Talbot or Wright got us in the bottom 2. I think that Appleton is the only Oxford Manager to have done that at this stage of a season. The table is shaping up as we are nearly one quarter through the season. The club needs a wake up like you say, the 'arrogance and delusion' is very accurate. We are not a good team. A good team wins games.
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Post by bicesteryellow on Sept 28, 2014 17:45:25 GMT
An honest, simple question to those who still think all will come good How many more games is it going to take for you to realise this is a very poor side? Another five? After 20 games? 25? I've seen some very poor Oxford sides down the years and, of course, there have been far worse ones than this However, this has to be the worst For its arrogance and delusion. It stinks that players and staff think all they need to do is pass it between each other over ten yards There is no gumption to do the basic things right. No will. Defend the ball in the air, get a block in, bust a gut for the final ball, be aggressive. They're is this bizarre belief that they are above it all. No one - Mapp included - will get their hands dirty or dig in. Said it once said it before, what this team really desperately needs is wake up call. A good beating so that those that count see sense You've got it spot on there. None of our previous poor managers in Div 2, Rix, Talbot or Wright got us in the bottom 2. I think that Appleton is the only Oxford Manager to have done that at this stage of a season. The table is shaping up as we are nearly one quarter through the season. The club needs a wake up like you say, the 'arrogance and delusion' is very accurate. We are not a good team. A good team wins games. I think everyone should just accept that this season fu ck all will happen. We will play all our games, finish about 18th and then it will be summer. I cannot see us going down as this season there are too many showers of shit in this division. In other years, who knows? Maybe we would have done but this year we simply aren't sh it enough. Next summer we will build and sing players suited to our footballing style and then become a bit competitive again over time. 10th next season and maybe push for the playoffs the season after. I don't think we will get relegated.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 28, 2014 17:50:38 GMT
You've got it spot on there. None of our previous poor managers in Div 2, Rix, Talbot or Wright got us in the bottom 2. I think that Appleton is the only Oxford Manager to have done that at this stage of a season. The table is shaping up as we are nearly one quarter through the season. The club needs a wake up like you say, the 'arrogance and delusion' is very accurate. We are not a good team. A good team wins games. I think everyone should just accept that this season fu ck all will happen. We will play all our games, finish about 18th and then it will be summer. I cannot see us going down as this season there are too many showers of shit in this division. In other years, who knows? Maybe we would have done but this year we simply aren't sh it enough. Next summer we will build and sing players suited to our footballing style and then become a bit competitive again over time. 10th next season and maybe push for the playoffs the season after. I don't think we will get relegated. Agree with this season, but after a full pre season and more of his own signings we need to do a hell of a lot better than 10th next year for him to keep his job
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Post by bicesteryellow on Sept 28, 2014 17:53:57 GMT
I think everyone should just accept that this season fu ck all will happen. We will play all our games, finish about 18th and then it will be summer. I cannot see us going down as this season there are too many showers of shit in this division. In other years, who knows? Maybe we would have done but this year we simply aren't sh it enough. Next summer we will build and sing players suited to our footballing style and then become a bit competitive again over time. 10th next season and maybe push for the playoffs the season after. I don't think we will get relegated. Agree with this season, but after a full pre season and more of his own signings we need to do a hell of a lot better than 10th next year for him to keep his job 10th is progress. Progress enough, and it is probable. We're not the sort of club that's going to all of a sudden become amazing in a season. I just can't see it.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Sept 28, 2014 18:23:07 GMT
Look forward to Torquay and bristol rovers next season big time... Why are they going to be promoted? If so what odd's are you getting I might bung a ton on them to win promotion.
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Post by trainingcone on Sept 28, 2014 18:32:25 GMT
Any chances of promotion now look buried. Until we start putting together a good run with some clean sheets we will be hovering around the bottom six I fear Mid table at best
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Post by trainingcone on Sept 28, 2014 18:34:50 GMT
You've got it spot on there. None of our previous poor managers in Div 2, Rix, Talbot or Wright got us in the bottom 2. I think that Appleton is the only Oxford Manager to have done that at this stage of a season. The table is shaping up as we are nearly one quarter through the season. The club needs a wake up like you say, the 'arrogance and delusion' is very accurate. We are not a good team. A good team wins games. I think everyone should just accept that this season fu ck all will happen. We will play all our games, finish about 18th and then it will be summer. I cannot see us going down as this season there are too many showers of shit in this division. In other years, who knows? Maybe we would have done but this year we simply aren't sh it enough. Next summer we will build and sing players suited to our footballing style and then become a bit competitive again over time. 10th next season and maybe push for the playoffs the season after. I don't think we will get relegated. I just hope the crowds will increase this season as they are dropping at the moment, so we can have money to build in the summer next year for a better season than this.
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Post by yellowg on Sept 28, 2014 19:12:49 GMT
I would like to add that I will not sleepwalk with my support for the lads. I will help in providing a really good atmosphere on Saturday. I hope we all man up and act quickly to ensure we are playing l2 footie next season.
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Post by dagger on Sept 28, 2014 19:13:25 GMT
Appleton's style of play might be great for the Premiership and Championship..... but it won't work in this league. Strange as in the Oxford v Dagenham thread a few weeks back you claimed that you were passing it on the floor and no hoof ball and that it was a similar style to us,this must mean that it doesnt work for you either. Dumb arse. True, l did say that....and guess what, it's not working that well. The difference is......we have a plan B!
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Post by oxford84 on Sept 28, 2014 19:35:07 GMT
Strange as in the Oxford v Dagenham thread a few weeks back you claimed that you were passing it on the floor and no hoof ball and that it was a similar style to us,this must mean that it doesnt work for you either. Dumb arse. True, l did say that....and guess what, it's not working that well. The difference is......we have a plan B! Just 4 points better off.great plan b!
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