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Post by dabigfella on Aug 24, 2014 18:31:42 GMT
Much is being said about the 'good' football we are playing. But is it?
Is pretty-pretty tippy-tappy football with absolutely no end product really 'good' football?
I have my doubts. It may be good to watch, but I would much rather have some 'bad' football that produced three point from a game and pushed us up the table.
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Post by Kris Grebis on Aug 24, 2014 18:33:09 GMT
No it's definitely good football.
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Post by dabigfella on Aug 24, 2014 18:34:15 GMT
No it's definitely good football. So you would be happy to see that type of football all season with the resultant drop into the Conference?
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Post by Kris Grebis on Aug 24, 2014 18:35:48 GMT
No it's definitely good football. So you would be happy to see that type of football all season with the resultant drop into the Conference? Don't tell me you're one of people who ask the stupid question "well do you want to play good football and lose, or bad football and win?" because thats not the choice, is it. we are playing good football and have created plenty of chances, just havent finished them because of a number of reasons. But it wont be long before we do start scoring. Not to mention we are signing Will Hoskins who could be excellent.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 24, 2014 18:37:14 GMT
No it's definitely good football. So you would be happy to see that type of football all season with the resultant drop into the Conference? It won't come to that. U have said ur self it's good but no end product. Solve that and it's perfect all round. It's easy to say u would rather we played shit and got the points. But we did that at the start of last season and the crowds dropped. The goals and wins will come, and when they do, playing this style so will the fans. Build it , and they will come
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 18:37:43 GMT
No it's definitely good football. So you would be happy to see that type of football all season with the resultant drop into the Conference? That's incredibly simplistic. We were very unlucky not to score yesterday. Attractive approach play will, in time, lead to goals, particularly if we can bring in Hoskins or similar. Mr Appleton's style of play is undeniably better than what we've suffered recently. Combine that with goals and who will complain?
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Post by yellowoptimist on Aug 24, 2014 18:45:34 GMT
Much is being said about the 'good' football we are playing. But is it? Is pretty-pretty tippy-tappy football with absolutely no end product really 'good' football? I have my doubts. It may be good to watch, but I would much rather have some 'bad' football that produced three point from a game and pushed us up the table. No we would all rather score no goals this season and be relegated by x mas! What a ridiculous thread! Who says you can't have both!
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Post by dabigfella on Aug 24, 2014 18:54:53 GMT
Much is being said about the 'good' football we are playing. But is it? Is pretty-pretty tippy-tappy football with absolutely no end product really 'good' football? I have my doubts. It may be good to watch, but I would much rather have some 'bad' football that produced three point from a game and pushed us up the table. No we would all rather score no goals this season and be relegated by x mas! What a ridiculous thread! Who says you can't have both! Right now we have nothing and are at the bottom of the football league. In answer to thatpeterlevens point, firstly I would want to WIN above all. If we can do it with good football that that would be great and I would prefer that. But above all I want us to WIN any which away. I strongly suspect that a hell of a lot of others think the same way.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 24, 2014 18:58:31 GMT
Normally id say yes a win is a win. But the quality of football at home over the last 4 seasons , even the wins has been so shit and depressing that the crowds r what they r . So I think quite of lot of people disagree. They ain't staying away because of wilder, lenagan, or rusty bogs. It's because they r fed up of watching shit football
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 24, 2014 19:04:48 GMT
If I never went to a game and only looked at the results in the paper then I guess performances are irrelevant. However if I'm going to spend good money then I also want to be entertained. The football yesterday was some of the best I've seen played in a generation and I wouldn't swap that for a scrappy win within the bigger picture.
Good football can be successful and I have no doubt that we will turn things around very soon.
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Post by aaronoxf on Aug 24, 2014 19:16:14 GMT
Good football but bottom of the league. Give me crap football so we can go back to the top
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 19:20:56 GMT
No we would all rather score no goals this season and be relegated by x mas! What a ridiculous thread! Who says you can't have both! Right now we have nothing and are at the bottom of the football league. In answer to thatpeterlevens point, firstly I would want to WIN above all. If we can do it with good football that that would be great and I would prefer that. But above all I want us to WIN any which away. I strongly suspect that a hell of a lot of others think the same way. Perhaps I didn't make my point clearly enough. We will start scoring and winning if we continue our recent approach play and net our striker. We will then have attractive wins. Sounds good to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 19:21:39 GMT
Good football but bottom of the league. Give me crap football so we can go back to the top So you think crap football will push us up the league? Please elaborate.
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Post by yellowjam on Aug 24, 2014 19:28:08 GMT
Good football but bottom of the league. Give me crap football so we can go back to the top So you think crap football will push us up the league? Please elaborate. Didn't help us last season when we lost 11 out of 15 in the last 1/3 of the season aswell Tit
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 19:30:52 GMT
So you think crap football will push us up the league? Please elaborate. Didn't help us last season when we lost 11 out of 15 in the last 1/3 of the season aswell Tit Are you replying to me? If you are, take a deep breath and read the posts again. Clearly I don't think crap football will advance us, that was the other poster.
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Post by dabigfella on Aug 24, 2014 19:31:32 GMT
Right now we have nothing and are at the bottom of the football league. In answer to thatpeterlevens point, firstly I would want to WIN above all. If we can do it with good football that that would be great and I would prefer that. But above all I want us to WIN any which away. I strongly suspect that a hell of a lot of others think the same way. Perhaps I didn't make my point clearly enough. We will start scoring and winning if we continue our recent approach play and net our striker. We will then have attractive wins. Sounds good to me. It sounds good to me as well. What I am talking about is the situation as it is right now. Since the primary aim of the game is to win, with a good performance a secondary aim (at last to me it is) then the current situation is not 'good' football as far as I am concerned. Watchable most definitely, but good? With a bit of luck and a good couple of signings we hopefully will end up with the best of both worlds.
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Post by yellowjam on Aug 24, 2014 19:35:47 GMT
Didn't help us last season when we lost 11 out of 15 in the last 1/3 of the season aswell Tit Are you replying to me? If you are, take a deep breath and read the posts again. Clearly I don't think crap football will advance us, that was the other poster. No I'm adding to your fact you made to him
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 19:36:36 GMT
Are you replying to me? If you are, take a deep breath and read the posts again. Clearly I don't think crap football will advance us, that was the other poster. No I'm adding to your fact you made to him OK, only you'd quoted me, not him. Looked as if you considered me a "tit".
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Post by yellowjam on Aug 24, 2014 19:47:30 GMT
No I'm adding to your fact you made to him OK, only you'd quoted me, not him. Looked as if you considered me a "tit". No sorry it was meaning for that clueless poster but can see how you thinking it might of come across, to be fair I share a lot of your opinions
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Post by aaronoxf on Aug 24, 2014 19:54:44 GMT
I can't see how very rude name calling was justified there. Completely out of order
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Post by londonroader on Aug 24, 2014 20:25:08 GMT
OK, only you'd quoted me, not him. Looked as if you considered me a "tit". No sorry it was meaning for that clueless poster but can see how you thinking it might of come across, to be fair I share a lot of your opinions How sweet,
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 24, 2014 20:31:26 GMT
I can't see how very rude name calling was justified there. Completely out of order You must be very sensitive if 'clueless' causes you such offence. The fact that you stated that you want crap football if it means winning could be described as short sighted at best, and potentially clueless at worst, simply as you would be hard pressed to find a successful team who play crap football.
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Post by londonroader on Aug 24, 2014 20:40:56 GMT
I can't see how very rude name calling was justified there. Completely out of order You must be very sensitive if 'clueless' causes you such offence. The fact that you stated that you want crap football if it means winning could be described as short sighted at best, and potentially clueless at worst, simply as you would be hard pressed to find a successful team who play crap football. I have seen many a poor team get out played at our place, but they have taken the 3 points.
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 24, 2014 20:58:46 GMT
You must be very sensitive if 'clueless' causes you such offence. The fact that you stated that you want crap football if it means winning could be described as short sighted at best, and potentially clueless at worst, simply as you would be hard pressed to find a successful team who play crap football. I have seen many a poor team get out played at our place, but they have taken the 3 points. How many of those teams play crap all season and have success? Anyone can blag a result but few blag an entire season off the back of poor football.
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Post by londonroader on Aug 24, 2014 21:15:19 GMT
I have seen many a poor team get out played at our place, but they have taken the 3 points. How many of those teams play crap all season and have success? Anyone can blag a result but few blag an entire season off the back of poor football. Success precieved by what, not being in the relegation zone? Will we play well all season? will you be unhappy at winning scruffy? How long will you accept good performances but no wins, 2,4, 6 more games I hope it doesn't happen but it can't go on forever, I suppose the new players might change things around up front, but how long have the home fans got to suffer season in and season out of not winning at home the bread and butter fans.
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 24, 2014 21:23:28 GMT
Success = promotion. Teams playing crap football all season do not get promoted.
As for the other points, of course a scrappy win is important but I wouldn't want us to set a team up to do that week in week out as it just doesn't work long term.
How many games without a win? Obviously getting points sooner rather than later is preferable but I wouldn't panic for another few games yet. Still 126 points available you know!
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Post by londonroader on Aug 24, 2014 21:30:09 GMT
Success = promotion. Teams playing crap football all season do not get promoted. As for the other points, of course a scrappy win is important but I wouldn't want us to set a team up to do that week in week out as it just doesn't work long term. How many games without a win? Obviously getting points sooner rather than later is preferable but I wouldn't panic for another few games yet. Still 126 points available you know! If your trying to imply I'm panicing, far from it. Football fans have differing expectations when they pay their money, neither of our opinions will be right for everyone. I think that's the same old excuses that have been rolled out over the previous seasons, 3 points first, peformances second in my book.
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Post by TurnOfFrase on Aug 24, 2014 21:50:21 GMT
I think the point is that the good looking football will eventually deliver the results we need, it's not being played just to look good.
I think resorting to wilder style panic hoofing is the last thing we should do! We've got to believe that we will come good under Appleton.
The other method worked well sometimes but was never sustainable, as we saw with 4 failed attempts to get out of League 2, despite strong starts to those league campaigns,
Appleton and co are building something great for the future and I think we will go places if we keep playing this formula, don't give up on it yet!
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Post by yellowoptimist on Aug 24, 2014 21:52:42 GMT
I think the point is that the good looking football will eventually deliver the results we need, it's not being played just to look good. I think resorting to wilder style panic hoofing is the last thing we should do! We've got to believe that we will come good under Appleton. The other method worked well sometimes but was never sustainable, as we saw with 4 failed attempts to get out of League 2, despite strong starts to those league campaigns, Appleton and co are building something great for the future and I think we will go places if we keep playing this formula, don't give up on it yet! Don't give up on it ? Many commenting on here haven't even tried it!
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Post by lincolnyellow1 on Aug 24, 2014 22:07:16 GMT
We should and could have scored 3 times against Pompey, our creative football certainly in the 1st half deserved it, Our current tactics and formation relies heavily on scoring the 1st goal. Once we get that 1st goal it will be damn hard for the opposition to get the ball off us thus frustrating our opponents and probably making them ditch their tactics and make mistakes for us to exploit later on during games. The Pompey game nearly panned out that way and I 100% believe that if we had scored while we were on top we would have gone on and scored one or two more to win the game quite comfortably.. . This season is far from being over for us?. You only have to look at Plymouth and York City's change of fortunes last season, near the foot of the table for 2/3rd's of the season and only just missed out on the end of season honours come May. . We can still achieve this season.
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