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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 18:10:14 GMT
How many "final posts" is that now "yellowwood"? I've lost count. Including this one,Three Lost count up to three ? And I thought you were the "clever clogs" of the site. I know what the word "final" means though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 19:25:06 GMT
My favourite thing about this thread is yellowwood genuinely thinks he's winning an argument!
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Post by barmyarmy on Aug 18, 2014 7:18:50 GMT
My favourite thing about this thread is yellowwood genuinely thinks he's winning an argument! Impossible, nobody could be that thick.......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 17:01:11 GMT
really got the funding / money to deliver,the new stadium or purchase of the Kassam. A strong squad to compete for promotion (not a great start in that department) and the payment of the new CEO and backroom staff wages,(some holding company paying the CEO ?) And payments to the previous owner for the club and his losses (probably key to beating the Methven and Donald bid) also not forgetting Firoz and his rent payments. All based on a business plan of increased crowds ? marketing improvements but also allowing for possible losses of a million pounds a season till break even ! Not sure it all adds up myself but time will tell ! Link to "by request" on management ref the lack of interest in the new owner set up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 13:03:33 GMT
really got the funding / money to deliver,the new stadium or purchase of the Kassam. A strong squad to compete for promotion (not a great start in that department) and the payment of the new CEO and backroom staff wages,(some holding company paying the CEO ?) And payments to the previous owner for the club and his losses (probably key to beating the Methven and Donald bid) also not forgetting Firoz and his rent payments. All based on a business plan of increased crowds ? marketing improvements but also allowing for possible losses of a million pounds a season till break even ! Not sure it all adds up myself but time will tell ! Reading the fan comments today in the local paper it looks like more people are now thinking the same way.
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 21, 2014 14:36:54 GMT
Go away Mazz!!
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 21, 2014 15:23:06 GMT
Think he might have gone away!!!!
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Post by charliesghost on Aug 21, 2014 16:07:52 GMT
Think he might have gone away!!!! So much of your style - not to mention content - reminds me of certain posters when I (more or less alone for 2 years) tried to hold Firoz Kassam to account all those years ago. A sort of mixture of bullyboy posturing; slurs on someone's integrity/ support for the club; insidious allegations of ulterior motives. I remember it all. And have had several apologies over the years for the way in which certain individuals behaved at the time. People who have questions should be treated with respect. There is no harm to questions - they either need to be answered or, if you don't like them, ignored. Happily, Darryl Eales doesn't appear to take the same arrogant attitude that you do on his behalf towards questioning. Whether or not questioners feel sufficient content is provided, they are at least (from appearances thus far) treated like decent human beings who have the club's best interests at heart. A style to consider, perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 16:13:48 GMT
Think he might have gone away!!!! So much of your style - not to mention content - reminds me of certain posters when I (more or less alone for 2 years) tried to hold Firoz Kassam to account all those years ago. A sort of mixture of bullyboy posturing; slurs on someone's integrity/ support for the club; insidious allegations of ulterior motives. I remember it all. And have had several apologies over the years for the way in which certain individuals behaved at the time. People who have questions should be treated with respect. There is no harm to questions - they either need to be answered or, if you don't like them, ignored. Happily, Darryl Eales doesn't appear to take the same arrogant attitude that you do on his behalf towards questioning. Whether or not questioners feel sufficient content is provided, they are at least (from appearances thus far) treated like decent human beings who have the club's best interests at heart. A style to consider, perhaps? In this particular case, with this particular poster (yellowwood) you do need to appreciate the bigger picture Charlie. This is not an Oxford fan whose genuine views are being dismissed through bullying. This is an Oxford fan who resented his views being questioned, failed to enter into two way debate with anyone, and himself resorted to ridiculing and abuse of others in his frustration. People did turn against him, but he brought it upon himself. He was not a voice of reason in the wilderness, he was someone who just wasn't cut out for forum life.
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 21, 2014 16:36:11 GMT
Think he might have gone away!!!! So much of your style - not to mention content - reminds me of certain posters when I (more or less alone for 2 years) tried to hold Firoz Kassam to account all those years ago. A sort of mixture of bullyboy posturing; slurs on someone's integrity/ support for the club; insidious allegations of ulterior motives. I remember it all. And have had several apologies over the years for the way in which certain individuals behaved at the time. People who have questions should be treated with respect. There is no harm to questions - they either need to be answered or, if you don't like them, ignored. Happily, Darryl Eales doesn't appear to take the same arrogant attitude that you do on his behalf towards questioning. Whether or not questioners feel sufficient content is provided, they are at least (from appearances thus far) treated like decent human beings who have the club's best interests at heart. A style to consider, perhaps? With all due respect what the hell are you talking about?
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Post by charliesghost on Aug 21, 2014 16:54:45 GMT
So much of your style - not to mention content - reminds me of certain posters when I (more or less alone for 2 years) tried to hold Firoz Kassam to account all those years ago. A sort of mixture of bullyboy posturing; slurs on someone's integrity/ support for the club; insidious allegations of ulterior motives. I remember it all. And have had several apologies over the years for the way in which certain individuals behaved at the time. People who have questions should be treated with respect. There is no harm to questions - they either need to be answered or, if you don't like them, ignored. Happily, Darryl Eales doesn't appear to take the same arrogant attitude that you do on his behalf towards questioning. Whether or not questioners feel sufficient content is provided, they are at least (from appearances thus far) treated like decent human beings who have the club's best interests at heart. A style to consider, perhaps? With all due respect what the hell are you talking about? Rarely has the acronym QED been quite so appropriate.
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Post by charliesghost on Aug 21, 2014 17:06:58 GMT
So much of your style - not to mention content - reminds me of certain posters when I (more or less alone for 2 years) tried to hold Firoz Kassam to account all those years ago. A sort of mixture of bullyboy posturing; slurs on someone's integrity/ support for the club; insidious allegations of ulterior motives. I remember it all. And have had several apologies over the years for the way in which certain individuals behaved at the time. People who have questions should be treated with respect. There is no harm to questions - they either need to be answered or, if you don't like them, ignored. Happily, Darryl Eales doesn't appear to take the same arrogant attitude that you do on his behalf towards questioning. Whether or not questioners feel sufficient content is provided, they are at least (from appearances thus far) treated like decent human beings who have the club's best interests at heart. A style to consider, perhaps? In this particular case, with this particular poster (yellowwood) you do need to appreciate the bigger picture Charlie. This is not an Oxford fan whose genuine views are being dismissed through bullying. This is an Oxford fan who resented his views being questioned, failed to enter into two way debate with anyone, and himself resorted to ridiculing and abuse of others in his frustration. People did turn against him, but he brought it upon himself. He was not a voice of reason in the wilderness, he was someone who just wasn't cut out for forum life. Haven't seen or noticed much of his other stuff. But just going on this thread, he asks a question at the start. Yes, a question clearly indicating what his pov is, but a question none the less. And that question is then not addressed. The man, rather than the ball, is played. Same has happened to Myles, when he has raised legitimate concerns. And likewise Ricky Otto, and likewise Godalming Yellow. I know all these people - not well, I'll admit, but well enough to know them as real yellows of total integrity - and it gets my back up to see attempts to scare them off the forum. And Scotch Egg is usually somewhere at the forefront - questioning motives, questioning identities (ironically, in his case), diminishing posters, insinuating a lack of integrity and support for most all those who question his position (though what this is, is something he is not keen to elucidate). I've had the same from him - 'watch out mate, I'm after you' style warnings about supposed breaches of confidentiality, insinuations of sour grapes (there are none; I'm already doing what I can to help Darryl Eales). Others get upset at the sour jibes and lack of intellectual engagement, and wander away. But I didn't when Kassam arrived, and I'm not going to now. And I hope to encourage these people to stay and to contribute. Because real 'forum life', as you put it, is about honest exchanges of argument and instinct, not North Korean style purges of alternative thought.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 17:17:56 GMT
In this particular case, with this particular poster (yellowwood) you do need to appreciate the bigger picture Charlie. This is not an Oxford fan whose genuine views are being dismissed through bullying. This is an Oxford fan who resented his views being questioned, failed to enter into two way debate with anyone, and himself resorted to ridiculing and abuse of others in his frustration. People did turn against him, but he brought it upon himself. He was not a voice of reason in the wilderness, he was someone who just wasn't cut out for forum life. Haven't seen or noticed much of his other stuff. But just going on this thread, he asks a question at the start. Yes, a question clearly indicating what his pov is, but a question none the less. And that question is then not addressed. The man, rather than the ball, is played. What I described happened on other threads. Inevitably, the poster's reputation followed him to this one. I might sympathise with your viewpoint based on this thread alone.Same has happened to Myles, when he has raised legitimate concerns. And likewise Ricky Otto, and likewise Godalming Yellow. I know all these people - not well, I'll admit, but well enough to know them as real yellows of total integrity - and it gets my back up to see attempts to scare them off the forum. The forum needs big personalities. I doubt any of those you've mentioned would be frightened off by anyone! For the record, I know Myles (I'm going to West Brom with him), I've met GY, and I've long exchanged messages on here and FB with Otto. I've also met you several times. It would indeed be a shame if any of them/you allowed themselves to be brow beaten into submission.And Scotch Egg is usually somewhere at the forefront - questioning motives, questioning identities (ironically, in his case), diminishing posters, insinuating a lack of integrity and support for most all those who question his position (though what this is, is something he is not keen to elucidate). I've had the same from him - 'watch out mate, I'm after you' style warnings about supposed breaches of confidentiality, insinuations of sour grapes (there are none; I'm already doing what I can to help Darryl Eales). Fair enough. No adverse experience from Scotchegg myself.Others get upset at the sour jibes and lack of intellectual engagement, and wander away. But I didn't when Kassam arrived, and I'm not going to now. And I hope to encourage these people to stay and to contribute. Because real 'forum life', as you put it, is about honest exchanges of argument and instinct, not North Korean style purges of alternative thought. The irony here is that the poster you're defending was the one refusing to engage in debate on other threads. Any criticism of him was regarded by him as "childish".
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 21, 2014 17:46:49 GMT
With all due respect what the hell are you talking about? Rarely has the acronym QED been quite so appropriate. YellowHoods has explained this better than I probably will but it was clear that Yellowwood was a poster who had been trolling for some time and many believed him to be a previously banned member. If that makes me a bully then so be it. As for being a bully, I'm surprised that there are so many sensitive souls on here. But the crux of the point you are making is that people have a legitinate right to question those running the club, but I should not question them. Sometimes this causes disagreements but you said yourself that when you held a position against Kassam that this created the same arguments. Only time will tell as to who comes out on top of such issues. As for my position, it's not very exciting or difficult to believe. I am a fan and nothing more. Have been since 1983, go to as many games as I can, stay til the final whistle and annoying optimistic. I support the team, the manager, the owner and the club as a whole. That doesn't mean that I don't criticise or raise questions or concerns. But what I do find frustrating is those who have a default negative mindset on everything all the time. When someone suggests that if we continue this form for 15 games we will have no points and 5 goals scored, I counter that by suggesting that we win the next 12 games instead. Neither scenario are likely but I'd rather believe that we have a chance of turning things around than give up after 12 days of the season. So agree with what I say, or disagree with it - either way it doesn't change what I think or what I'll say.
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Post by charliesghost on Aug 21, 2014 18:44:04 GMT
Rarely has the acronym QED been quite so appropriate. YellowHoods has explained this better than I probably will but it was clear that Yellowwood was a poster who had been trolling for some time and many believed him to be a previously banned member. If that makes me a bully then so be it. As for being a bully, I'm surprised that there are so many sensitive souls on here. But the crux of the point you are making is that people have a legitinate right to question those running the club, but I should not question them. Sometimes this causes disagreements but you said yourself that when you held a position against Kassam that this created the same arguments. Only time will tell as to who comes out on top of such issues. As for my position, it's not very exciting or difficult to believe. I am a fan and nothing more. Have been since 1983, go to as many games as I can, stay til the final whistle and annoying optimistic. I support the team, the manager, the owner and the club as a whole. That doesn't mean that I don't criticise or raise questions or concerns. But what I do find frustrating is those who have a default negative mindset on everything all the time. When someone suggests that if we continue this form for 15 games we will have no points and 5 goals scored, I counter that by suggesting that we win the next 12 games instead. Neither scenario are likely but I'd rather believe that we have a chance of turning things around than give up after 12 days of the season. So agree with what I say, or disagree with it - either way it doesn't change what I think or what I'll say. We started going in the same year. If the intervening 30 years hasn't put something of a dent in your 'optimism', then I can only say that I'm amazed! I tell you what would be fascinating - why not give us a little view of what the optimism is based on. Not because I'm very pessimistic (others appear to be more so) but because otherwise it's just instinct that you're serving up. And an instinct, as you yourself say, that has proven wrong time and time again. Why is it going to be different this time? Give us our grounds for optimism! Believe me, if they're convincing then plenty of sane people will grab at the chance to be optimistic with you. In other words, try to take people with you. Try to win debates. Try to convert others to the cause you clearly passionately believe in. Otherwise, if all it is is just a statement of your default mood setting, then it's not really forum friendly, anymore than default, unexplained pessimism. In a discussion forum, it's the discussion that is fun. Promise!
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 21, 2014 18:52:06 GMT
Some things in life are bad They can really make you mad Other things just make you swear and curse. When you're chewing on life's gristle Don't grumble, give a whistle And this'll help things turn out for the best...
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 21, 2014 20:06:48 GMT
Charlie, my first game was Oxford Newcastle in the league cup which we won 2-1 despite Newcastle having a front 4 of Keegan, McDermott, Beardsley and Waddle from what I remember.
As for the optimism, yes some of it is my default position in life in general. But equally I look at the development of the backroom team, the desire to play good football, the fact that we have both home grown and other youngsters pushing hard for starting places and the fact that we have held our own at times in the games so far.
Of course we are screaming out for a couple of experienced players and a proven goal scorer. We also need a plan b for when the nice football doesn't work.
Off the pitch we need a far more detailed plan of what the new team are aiming for, and how this will impact the next 10 days of transfer activity, til xmas, January, end of season etc etc.
As I've said before, these questions should be asked and answers given. The difference between me and some others is that I am prepared to take things at face value for now and will offer my support in the only way I can, which is going to games and cheering the team on until the final whistle.
Believe me, it's not easy being optimistic but I'd like to think the good times have been just a little sweeter as a result. And although the bad times still hurt, remaining hopefully that they are only a blip slightly softens the hardest of blows.
I don't expect to convince many that the future is bright, but I will stay optimistic regardless and expect 3 points on Saturday!!
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