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Post by andystroud on Jul 27, 2014 9:16:45 GMT
Not a bad way to kick start the LVG era ! Moyes lost his first match to Thailand's equivalent of The Dog and Duck 2-1 so while LA aren't exactly a force in top half PL terms they are still a decent enough side and well in to their season. I saw bits and pieces of it and Herrera looks some player. Fletcher captained the side and that may well be an indicator to the future. Only him and Herrera stayed on for the entire 90 minutes and the pair were superb. Good too to see fringe players like Young, Rooney and James weighing in with two apiece. Don't take this is a wind up thread, I'm just pointing out a reasonably significant pre season result. Is Rooney really a fringe player?!!! Of course he's not, it's just another blatant piece of trolling by the forum's box office poster.
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Post by stevegilbert on Jul 27, 2014 10:18:36 GMT
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Post by Boogaloo on Jul 28, 2014 8:43:38 GMT
I see Arsenal make history when losing tonight. The first PL team to lost vs a mls side.. Never mind That doesn't bode well for this season then, should Arsenal get drawn against the New York Red Bulls in this season's Champions League. Still at least Arsenal can say they got further than Man Utd in this season's CL.
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Post by Junior on Jul 28, 2014 8:45:38 GMT
But have they ever won it? Or are they just part of it to help the make up the numbers??
Have you played your qualifier yet? You might not even make it through! 2nd biggest team in London behind Chelsea.
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Post by bicesteryellow on Jul 28, 2014 9:25:39 GMT
But have they ever won it? Or are they just part of it to help the make up the numbers?? Have you played your qualifier yet? You might not even make it through! 2nd biggest team in London behind Chelsea. And you used to criticise Liverpool for living off past glories. The last time Manchester United won the Champions League was in 2008. Since then 4 people have managed Manchester United, Chelsea have won the FA Cup 3 times, Southampton, Norwich City and Portsmouth have all played in at least 3 tiers of the Football League. It's not that recent any more. Do you not think, that being the 2nd biggest team in London is better than being the 3rd biggest/4th best team in the North West
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Post by sihath on Jul 28, 2014 9:38:27 GMT
But have they ever won it? Or are they just part of it to help the make up the numbers?? Have you played your qualifier yet? You might not even make it through! 2nd biggest team in London behind Chelsea. As you and Baldy regularly use this phrase, I would ask, as you clearly don't think Arsenal should be in it, how would you change the format of the Champions League?
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Post by Boogaloo on Jul 28, 2014 10:54:59 GMT
But have they ever won it? Or are they just part of it to help the make up the numbers?? Have you played your qualifier yet? You might not even make it through! 2nd biggest team in London behind Chelsea. No New York Red Bulls have not won the Champions League, and they never will either. Try having a look at an atlas of the world, and you will see the reason why. You might even learn something.
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Post by Boogaloo on Jul 28, 2014 11:04:47 GMT
But have they ever won it? Or are they just part of it to help the make up the numbers?? Have you played your qualifier yet? You might not even make it through! 2nd biggest team in London behind Chelsea. As you and Baldy regularly use this phrase, I would ask, as you clearly don't think Arsenal should be in it, how would you change the format of the Champions League? Basically the rules should be changed so that the first 4 no longer qualify automatically. Instead the 4 places should be given to 2nd, 3rd, 7th and 15th place in the Premier League (Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd and Aston Villa - who have also all won the CL/EC at some point). There's no point letting teams like Man City or Arsenal enter, as it is mathematically impossible for a team that hasn't previously won the Champions League to win it, thus no point of them being there really. The Champions League should be an 'old-boys network' where the only British teams that are allowed to enter ere the four mentioned in my previous paragraph, plus Notts Forest and Celtic.
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Post by stevegilbert on Jul 28, 2014 12:50:35 GMT
But have they ever won it? Or are they just part of it to help the make up the numbers?? Have you played your qualifier yet? You might not even make it through! 2nd biggest team in London behind Chelsea. As you and Baldy regularly use this phrase, I would ask, as you clearly don't think Arsenal should be in it, how would you change the format of the Champions League? Please don't try and have reasonable debate with them, you know they can't deal with it and would rather ignore it and make up stuff.
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Post by Boogaloo on Jul 28, 2014 14:43:17 GMT
2nd biggest team in London behind Chelsea. Presumably that's based on last year's table. I guess that means Man Utd aren't the biggest club in England - not even the biggest club in Manchester. 2nd biggest club in Manchester 4th biggest club in North-West 7th biggest club in England Glad we've finally cleared that one up.
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Post by nick68 on Jul 28, 2014 20:50:32 GMT
But have they ever won it? Or are they just part of it to help the make up the numbers?? Have you played your qualifier yet? You might not even make it through! 2nd biggest team in London behind Chelsea. Chelsea a big team, really? Without the 2rich benefactors they've been fortunate to have they'd be where they were in the 80's struggling to stay in the top tier
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Post by Junior on Jul 28, 2014 21:31:07 GMT
But have they ever won it? Or are they just part of it to help the make up the numbers?? Have you played your qualifier yet? You might not even make it through! 2nd biggest team in London behind Chelsea. As you and Baldy regularly use this phrase, I would ask, as you clearly don't think Arsenal should be in it, how would you change the format of the Champions League? There's a place for Arsenal In the CL as the format stands. They are a good solid last 16 team. Occasionally progressing a little further. Wenger is very good at getting them to that position. Will they ever win it? Very, very unlikely. Cue the goon with the line " well Man Utd won't as they didn't qualify" Form is temporary, class is permanent.
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Post by scotchegg on Jul 28, 2014 22:00:00 GMT
How long does the form is temporary, class is permanent line last?
Are Liverpool a class team? Benfica?
Arsenal are good enough to consistently get to the knockout stages. It is then about who they face and a little bit of luck could see them progress. Arguing against them ever winning is stupid because anything can happen.
As for Man Utd, run me through their campaigns in 2011/12, 12/13, 13/14 and this coming season? 4 years of European failure is a long way from permanent class.
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Post by stevegilbert on Jul 29, 2014 14:15:11 GMT
I am surprised Man City dont get more stick with their CL failings after all the money they have spent.
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Post by amarillo on Jul 29, 2014 14:43:21 GMT
probably something to do with there being no Man City fans on here
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Post by bacon on Jul 29, 2014 15:27:54 GMT
I'd rather Man City won the premiership
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Post by Junior on Jul 30, 2014 5:57:13 GMT
I am surprised Man City dont get more stick with their CL failings after all the money they have spent. Give them a few more seasons yet. They've had tough draws. Sure they'll come good..
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Post by Boogaloo on Jul 30, 2014 7:27:45 GMT
I am surprised Man City dont get more stick with their CL failings after all the money they have spent. Give them a few more seasons yet. They've had tough draws. Sure they'll come good.. How many seasons do they need? It's been about five years since the Sheikhs came to town and they still haven't delivered on the Champions League stage, nor have they come close to delivering. You mention Arsenal, but for a club with the financial backing that Man City have got, they have been absolutely shockingly poor. Last season was the first time they managed to get through the group stage.
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Post by baldy on Jul 30, 2014 8:28:19 GMT
Give them a few more seasons yet. They've had tough draws. Sure they'll come good.. How many seasons do they need? It's been about five years since the Sheikhs came to town and they still haven't delivered on the Champions League stage, nor have they come close to delivering. You mention Arsenal, but for a club with the financial backing that Man City have got, they have been absolutely shockingly poor. Last season was the first time they managed to get through the group stage. Given who you follow I don't think you qualify as being suitable to comment on anything to do with CL success. What is it now, 20 odd years of qualification and not a pot to p*ss in.
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Post by sihath on Jul 30, 2014 8:34:41 GMT
How many seasons do they need? It's been about five years since the Sheikhs came to town and they still haven't delivered on the Champions League stage, nor have they come close to delivering. You mention Arsenal, but for a club with the financial backing that Man City have got, they have been absolutely shockingly poor. Last season was the first time they managed to get through the group stage. Given who you follow I don't think you qualify as being suitable to comment on anything to do with CL success. What is it now, 20 odd years of qualification and not a pot to p*ss in. Baldy supports the bestest team ever, in the world. Go Baldy!! You're brilliant!! I wish I supported a team from hundreds of miles away so I could say "my team's better than yours" in any thread about anything.
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Post by baldy on Jul 30, 2014 8:56:12 GMT
Given who you follow I don't think you qualify as being suitable to comment on anything to do with CL success. What is it now, 20 odd years of qualification and not a pot to p*ss in. Baldy supports the bestest team ever, in the world. Go Baldy!! You're brilliant!! I wish I supported a team from hundreds of miles away so I could say "my team's better than yours" in any thread about anything. Even by your extreme standards that is a bizarre post. I'm commenting on Arsenal. I sometimes wonder what it is you see exactly in other peoples posts because you drift so far off course that it becomes fictional.
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Post by sihath on Jul 30, 2014 9:25:31 GMT
Baldy supports the bestest team ever, in the world. Go Baldy!! You're brilliant!! I wish I supported a team from hundreds of miles away so I could say "my team's better than yours" in any thread about anything. Even by your extreme standards that is a bizarre post. I'm commenting on Arsenal. I sometimes wonder what it is you see exactly in other peoples posts because you drift so far off course that it becomes fictional. I thought it was quite clear what I was commenting on. You're post was dismissing someone's opinion about the CL because of who they support. You said "Given who you follow I don't think you qualify as being suitable to comment on anything to do with CL success." which basically smacked of schoolboy debate, that "my dad's bigger than your dad" comment, trying to stifle any debate by dismissing someone's right to hold a different opinion than you. My post was mocking your stance that seemed to be that anyone who supported a club that hadn't won the CL couldn't have a valid opinion. Which is, to use your language "bizarre". Of course the team I support has never been in the CL, or indeed any European competition (thanks to the fans of teams like Liverpool, Leeds, Man Utd), so perhaps I'm not suitable to comment on such things either.
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Post by tonyw on Jul 30, 2014 12:01:40 GMT
Give them a few more seasons yet. They've had tough draws. Sure they'll come good.. How many seasons do they need? It's been about five years since the Sheikhs came to town and they still haven't delivered on the Champions League stage, nor have they come close to delivering. You mention Arsenal, but for a club with the financial backing that Man City have got, they have been absolutely shockingly poor. Last season was the first time they managed to get through the group stage. Last year, they got to exactly the same stage as Arsenal. The previous two seasons (their first in the competition), they had nightmare draws (Real/Dortmund/Ajax, Bayern/Napoli/Villareal). Now they can't really complain about those draws - UEFA take the very laudable view that you've got to prove yourself in European competition before you get a high seeding. Liverpool could be faced with the same sort of situation this year after their spell in the wilderness. Man U are going to face a UEFA coefficient double-whammy next season when they lose their points for their last CL triumph and replace them with nothing and could easily end up as a 3rd seed as a result as well (should they get back into the tournament in the first place, of course). But there's no doubt that the draws have hurt Man City's chances on making an impact on the CL. This year? Well, there's not going to be much to fear for the English clubs from pots 3 or 4. Man City will be pretty confident of making the knockout stage. And then it's going to be a matter of whether they can make a real impact on the competition this time up. If they don't deliver again - then it's probably fair to start pointing the finger.
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Post by Boogaloo on Jul 30, 2014 12:32:40 GMT
How many seasons do they need? It's been about five years since the Sheikhs came to town and they still haven't delivered on the Champions League stage, nor have they come close to delivering. You mention Arsenal, but for a club with the financial backing that Man City have got, they have been absolutely shockingly poor. Last season was the first time they managed to get through the group stage. Last year, they got to exactly the same stage as Arsenal. The previous two seasons (their first in the competition), they had nightmare draws (Real/Dortmund/Ajax, Bayern/Napoli/Villareal). Now they can't really complain about those draws - UEFA take the very laudable view that you've got to prove yourself in European competition before you get a high seeding. Liverpool could be faced with the same sort of situation this year after their spell in the wilderness. Man U are going to face a UEFA coefficient double-whammy next season when they lose their points for their last CL triumph and replace them with nothing and could easily end up as a 3rd seed as a result as well (should they get back into the tournament in the first place, of course). But there's no doubt that the draws have hurt Man City's chances on making an impact on the CL. This year? Well, there's not going to be much to fear for the English clubs from pots 3 or 4. Man City will be pretty confident of making the knockout stage. And then it's going to be a matter of whether they can make a real impact on the competition this time up. If they don't deliver again - then it's probably fair to start pointing the finger. The point I'm making is that Man City have spent HUGE amounts of money bolstering their squad, and have yet to see any significant return for that within Europe. You make the comparison to Arsenal, but look at the amounts Arsenal spend on players compared to Man City:- Man City have two £30M+ plus players (Aguero and Fernandino) compares to Arsenals' one (Ozil). Ozil only arrived last season, and Sanchez wasn't there so I've excluded him. Between 15M and 30M excluding the above, Man City have NINE players with transfer fees in this range - Dzeko, Nasri, Toure, Silva, Milner (chortle!), Jovetic, Negredo, Garvia and Kolarov. Arsenal have none - Giroud is the next most expensive and he cost a mere £12.8M. So I think it's fair to say that the level of expectation on Man City should be greater than on Arsenal. Obviously now that Arsene Wenger is learning how to open his wallet a bit, the distinction between the two is closing.
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Post by sihath on Jul 30, 2014 13:03:29 GMT
Last year, they got to exactly the same stage as Arsenal. The previous two seasons (their first in the competition), they had nightmare draws (Real/Dortmund/Ajax, Bayern/Napoli/Villareal). Now they can't really complain about those draws - UEFA take the very laudable view that you've got to prove yourself in European competition before you get a high seeding. Liverpool could be faced with the same sort of situation this year after their spell in the wilderness. Man U are going to face a UEFA coefficient double-whammy next season when they lose their points for their last CL triumph and replace them with nothing and could easily end up as a 3rd seed as a result as well (should they get back into the tournament in the first place, of course). But there's no doubt that the draws have hurt Man City's chances on making an impact on the CL. This year? Well, there's not going to be much to fear for the English clubs from pots 3 or 4. Man City will be pretty confident of making the knockout stage. And then it's going to be a matter of whether they can make a real impact on the competition this time up. If they don't deliver again - then it's probably fair to start pointing the finger. The point I'm making is that Man City have spent HUGE amounts of money bolstering their squad, and have yet to see any significant return for that within Europe. You make the comparison to Arsenal, but look at the amounts Arsenal spend on players compared to Man City:- Man City have two £30M+ plus players (Aguero and Fernandino) compares to Arsenals' one (Ozil). Ozil only arrived last season, and Sanchez wasn't there so I've excluded him. Between 15M and 30M excluding the above, Man City have NINE players with transfer fees in this range - Dzeko, Nasri, Toure, Silva, Milner (chortle!), Jovetic, Negredo, Garvia and Kolarov. Arsenal have none - Giroud is the next most expensive and he cost a mere £12.8M. So I think it's fair to say that the level of expectation on Man City should be greater than on Arsenal. Obviously now that Arsene Wenger is learning how to open his wallet a bit, the distinction between the two is closing. So Arsenal don't spend much money on players, they have lower expectations in Europe.... so why do they charge the highest prices in the country for tickets? Rip off isn't it?
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Post by tonyw on Jul 30, 2014 13:34:43 GMT
The point I'm making is that Man City have spent HUGE amounts of money bolstering their squad, and have yet to see any significant return for that within Europe. You make the comparison to Arsenal, but look at the amounts Arsenal spend on players compared to Man City:- Man City have two £30M+ plus players (Aguero and Fernandino) compares to Arsenals' one (Ozil). Ozil only arrived last season, and Sanchez wasn't there so I've excluded him. Between 15M and 30M excluding the above, Man City have NINE players with transfer fees in this range - Dzeko, Nasri, Toure, Silva, Milner (chortle!), Jovetic, Negredo, Garvia and Kolarov. Arsenal have none - Giroud is the next most expensive and he cost a mere £12.8M. So I think it's fair to say that the level of expectation on Man City should be greater than on Arsenal. Obviously now that Arsene Wenger is learning how to open his wallet a bit, the distinction between the two is closing. And my point is - give them time! It's much harder to come from nowhere (as Man City have done) and buy a Champions League than it is a Premiership crown. It took Abrahamovich the best part of a decade. But yes, the level of expectation on Man City this season is greater than that on Arsenal.
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Post by sihath on Aug 5, 2014 5:55:59 GMT
Man utd beat Liverpool 3-1 in the final. Good result and LVG's first trophy.
Only one down side. Rooney was named man of the tournament, and the prize? A lifetime goldcard at Taco Bell.... watch your weight Wayne!
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Post by Hicko on Aug 5, 2014 6:19:50 GMT
charity shield last year, some Intentional friendly cup this year. Man utd are winning trophys more and more meaningless every year
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Post by Junior on Aug 5, 2014 6:52:49 GMT
Easy victory. Rooney took his goal well. Encouraging.
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Post by sihath on Aug 5, 2014 6:58:08 GMT
Easy victory. Rooney took his goal well. Encouraging. For who?
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