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Post by langansshinpads on Jul 27, 2014 11:05:21 GMT
The salary cap for L2 clubs is 60% of turnover. I would imagine that still leaves us a fair bit of leeway with our playing budget if we needed/wanted to up it. At L2 level you need a good mixture of youth and 2-3 haggard old pros - the latter to protect the young ones from getting bullied and the former to, hopefully, sell on and keep the club afloat. Just the same as 90% of all other clubs I didn't know it was 60%, in that case we have plenty of slack. If AH took us to the wage cap he'd be PR'ing it.
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Post by stevewilliams on Jul 27, 2014 11:50:48 GMT
I share a lot of the worries on here if we are only going to add two more players we are going to really struggle for goals. we need at least 2 strikers a winger and a creative mid. we've lost all the goals from the side (over 40 goals between rigg Smalley beano kitson williams hall connolly) so we need our 2 remaining signings to both score 20 goals just to score the same amount as last season and even then we didn't score anywhere near enough. we are well short and it's right that people ask if only 2 more is enough as it won't be. as we stand we are weaker than last season and others have strengthen two more additions only and we might well be at the wrong end with huge debt to boot
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Post by John Lennon on Jul 27, 2014 12:26:44 GMT
There should be a new signing announced tomorrow. A good signing too apparently. Hopefully there will be a few more.
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Post by greatunclekip on Jul 27, 2014 12:29:28 GMT
There should be a new signing announced tomorrow. A good signing too apparently. Hopefully there will be a few more. Where's this from? No rumours or anything I've heard.
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Post by yellowilks on Jul 27, 2014 12:34:54 GMT
Appleton said he wants the new players in ideally for Tuesday game with wolves . So I think between tomorrow and Tuesday we will hear it 2 signings and probably a last minute job done between then and Bournemouth game
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Post by John Lennon on Jul 27, 2014 12:37:40 GMT
There should be a new signing announced tomorrow. A good signing too apparently. Hopefully there will be a few more. Where's this from? No rumours or anything I've heard. It's been kept quiet quite well, which is hard to do these days. Hopefully it's true.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jul 27, 2014 12:59:46 GMT
This off season has been very challenging and I completely get the issues around the increased debt. I have that same concern. The issue is with IL in place, we were going to sign one more player and most fans acknowledged that was too little. Clearly season ticket uptake is hurting the club as it must have affected the IL led budget. The new people have arrived and we've seen an increase in budget, but that comes with an increase in debt as presumably few season tickets have been purchased. But what can they do? If they leave it as is, the chances of taking the club on now are hard. If they increase the budget and they increase the debt, it's also another risk to the club but it's possible it leads to better crowds and a better league position.
I don't see why DF coming in is causing such friction. We lost AM in the off season and he wasn't replaced. We've not added new head count there. We have with the head of recruitment though. With under 2 weeks to go, it's becoming more urgent to sign players to get some experience into the squad. I get the impression is MAPP is happy to wait for the right player, which is hard as a fan as we want players now.
I don't sit here thinking everything is ok or there aren't serious concerns in the short, medium or long term. But equally I don't want to sink in to a negative mindset worrying about all these scenarios that may or may not occur. The benefit of doubt has to be given to the new guys because they've been here for such a short time. In 6 months time, my view may well change.
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Post by one trick Raponi on Jul 27, 2014 13:23:10 GMT
The salary cap for L2 clubs is 60% of turnover. I would imagine that still leaves us a fair bit of leeway with our playing budget if we needed/wanted to up it. At L2 level you need a good mixture of youth and 2-3 haggard old pros - the latter to protect the young ones from getting bullied and the former to, hopefully, sell on and keep the club afloat. Just the same as 90% of all other clubs I didn't know it was 60%, in that case we have plenty of slack. If AH took us to the wage cap he'd be PR'ing it. Actually the salary cap for L2 clubs is 55% but also iirc any youth players with pro contracts but U20 at the start of the season don't count towards that 55%. Meaning Long, Hawtin, Ashby, Humphreys, O'Dowda, Shama and Roberts' wages wouldn't be counted towards the 55%.
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Post by yellowjam on Jul 27, 2014 14:41:57 GMT
This forum does amaze me at times
IL has created all this mess & the £8 debt (along with a few others) but now quite a lot on here want to blame the new owners for it
Whatever new owners we were going to get (whether that was Charlie's lot or whoever) they were always going to be up against it & having to put extra debt on top of the current figure in this first year or two to put in place there way to build the club back up,
We all know players are the priority but we have till Sept 1st to get players in, we need 5 minimum with 3 being Strikers, if we could get 2 strikers in by next week & a winger before Aug 9th then things get a little easier leaving us to get in 2 more players (creative midfielder & a 3rd striker maybe culley if he comes good)
I have no doubt in time my mind will change if after 2 years at the club they've created aload of debt with nothing much changed at the club then we need to start worrying (let's all hope that doesn't happen) BUT for now I'm going to give them the benifit of the dealt for this season to get in place what will improve us on & off the field to be successful, I'm HOPING by this time next year we will be in a far better position in all departments to kick this club on & dreaming off starting the season in league 1
Just to add: I hope many of you manage to attend the fans forum in September & put your questions to the new owners as you've got a lot to say, to many on here would rather stay behind a desktop instead of saying it face to face
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Jul 27, 2014 15:46:00 GMT
This forum does amaze me at times Whatever new owners we were going to get (whether that was Charlie's lot or whoever) they were always going to be up against it & having to put extra debt on top of the current figure in this first year or two to put in place there way to build the club back up, Ever heard of owners injecting capital into a business as equity rather than loading it with debt? I think that was the plan for the 'local consortium'. But don't let that get in the way of your rant.
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Post by finlandia on Jul 27, 2014 15:58:32 GMT
Where's this from? No rumours or anything I've heard. It's been kept quiet quite well, which is hard to do these days. Hopefully it's true. ITK like really annoys me. I'm guessing that due the YA stuff you often here stuff. Why blag it on here?
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 27, 2014 15:59:21 GMT
This forum does amaze me at times Whatever new owners we were going to get (whether that was Charlie's lot or whoever) they were always going to be up against it & having to put extra debt on top of the current figure in this first year or two to put in place there way to build the club back up, Ever heard of owners injecting capital into a business as equity rather than loading it with debt? I think that was the plan for the 'local consortium'. But don't let that get in the way of your rant. Could have put all the equity in we would still have lost 1.5m this year for u to moan about
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Post by John Lennon on Jul 27, 2014 16:13:38 GMT
It's been kept quiet quite well, which is hard to do these days. Hopefully it's true. ITK like really annoys me. I'm guessing that due the YA stuff you often here stuff. Why blag it on here? Not at all. I heard something today, so I posted it on here. Good news wouldn't you say if its true? I don't know the players name. I'm not blagging anything. I'm a fan, heard we were signing a player tomorrow, and mentioned it as other fans are on here. I've noticed you have a problem with a lot of things I do and say. Can you explain why? If you wish to talk to me directly and in person, you might think differently of me. I'm happy to have a conversation with you if you wish.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 27, 2014 16:20:29 GMT
ITK like really annoys me. I'm guessing that due the YA stuff you often here stuff. Why blag it on here? Not at all. I heard something today, so I posted it on here. Good news wouldn't you say if its true? I don't know the players name. I'm not blagging anything. I'm a fan, heard we were signing a player tomorrow, and mentioned it as other fans are on here. I've noticed you have a problem with a lot of things I do and say. Can you explain why? If you wish to talk to me directly and in person, you might think differently of me. I'm happy to have a conversation with you if you wish. Hard to say if it's good news. It's a maybe without a name
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Post by John Lennon on Jul 27, 2014 16:25:34 GMT
If the news it's good player, he doesn't need a name :-)
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Post by yellowjam on Jul 27, 2014 16:25:34 GMT
This forum does amaze me at times Whatever new owners we were going to get (whether that was Charlie's lot or whoever) they were always going to be up against it & having to put extra debt on top of the current figure in this first year or two to put in place there way to build the club back up, Ever heard of owners injecting capital into a business as equity rather than loading it with debt? I think that was the plan for the 'local consortium'. But don't let that get in the way of your rant. I think your'll find that part on the post is not a rant
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Post by browny on Jul 27, 2014 16:28:07 GMT
This forum does amaze me at times Whatever new owners we were going to get (whether that was Charlie's lot or whoever) they were always going to be up against it & having to put extra debt on top of the current figure in this first year or two to put in place there way to build the club back up, Ever heard of owners injecting capital into a business as equity rather than loading it with debt? I think that was the plan for the 'local consortium'. But don't let that get in the way of your rant. We really need to move on. For whatever reason and it does not matter any more what they are, we have new owners and what prospective owners may or may not have done is now completely irrelevant Time to focus on supporting the ones we do have rather than the ones that didn't complete the deal for whatever reason it was
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 27, 2014 16:28:30 GMT
oufcyellows, we already know, due to extra spending, that are losses are expected to go from £1m, to £1.5m. For a league 2 club, that is incredibly scary. If things don't work out for the new owners, where do you think that leaves our football club? Langans raises some interesting and valid points, and it's disappointing you choose to ignore what he is saying. The new people don't have bottomless pockets, and to think the playing budget won't be affected by the extra spend on backroom staff, is in my view, shortsighted. I am not sure Appleton will be able to achieve anything on the pitch next season with the squad he has, even with a couple more additions. Crowds will remain low, and the losses will only increase further. Ur right , they ain't thought it through at all. Panicked as we hadn't got any players and brought in 3 coaches instead to please the fans ,they have no idea what they r doing with the budget and were all doomed - doomed i tell u. Seriously can't win. People have been moaning that If il had invested more in jan we could have gone up. Well that would have taken last seasons loss to about 1.5m as well. Why anyone would want to get involved in oxford is beyond me. They have been open a lot better than pr, had a cracking start to preseason, said that signings r imminent and still the moaning continues. What's the bets they sign these 2-3 decent attackers u r demanding , that u will switch the moaning to how much they have cost us. What length of time does imminent =?
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 27, 2014 16:30:50 GMT
oufcyellows, we already know, due to extra spending, that are losses are expected to go from £1m, to £1.5m. For a league 2 club, that is incredibly scary. If things don't work out for the new owners, where do you think that leaves our football club? Langans raises some interesting and valid points, and it's disappointing you choose to ignore what he is saying. The new people don't have bottomless pockets, and to think the playing budget won't be affected by the extra spend on backroom staff, is in my view, shortsighted. I am not sure Appleton will be able to achieve anything on the pitch next season with the squad he has, even with a couple more additions. Crowds will remain low, and the losses will only increase further. I disagree that MApp won't be able to achieve on the pitch with some extra additions Long Hunt Mullins Wright Meades Collins Rose Potter New signing New signing Hylton Should be enough (with the dev squad as back up alongside the likes of Raynes and Newey as back-up) to put us in a good spot until Jan, and that is with only 2 extra additions. I want to see 2 better strikers.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 27, 2014 16:33:12 GMT
If the news it's good player, he doesn't need a name :-) I dunno , he who could not be named in Harry potter didn't turn out to well
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 27, 2014 16:33:41 GMT
Ur right , they ain't thought it through at all. Panicked as we hadn't got any players and brought in 3 coaches instead to please the fans ,they have no idea what they r doing with the budget and were all doomed - doomed i tell u. Seriously can't win. People have been moaning that If il had invested more in jan we could have gone up. Well that would have taken last seasons loss to about 1.5m as well. Why anyone would want to get involved in oxford is beyond me. They have been open a lot better than pr, had a cracking start to preseason, said that signings r imminent and still the moaning continues. What's the bets they sign these 2-3 decent attackers u r demanding , that u will switch the moaning to how much they have cost us. What length of time does imminent =? Before wolves(possibly)
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 27, 2014 16:35:38 GMT
There should be a new signing announced tomorrow. A good signing too apparently. Hopefully there will be a few more. Any idea what position? Where have you got your info from?
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 27, 2014 16:38:58 GMT
What length of time does imminent =? Before wolves(possibly) [/
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Post by nottsyellow on Jul 27, 2014 17:08:33 GMT
Any players we sign now, we are likely to be lumbered with for two years. Hence to rush out and in haste sign 5 players now may backfire well before next summer (Certainly some fans will decide by November the new players are a waste of space and want to get rid). We definitely need to get a striker in as urgent priority, but then I would like to build the squad slowly with players MAPP is 100% confident in. As we play matches MAPP will have a much better understanding of the weaknesses in the squad and no doubt fill gaps with a loan until a permanent transfer is available. In our league the transfer window deadlines seem a bit of a myth as it always seems possible to get a player on loan before signing in the transfer window. Surely DF and MAPP have enough connections to get quality loan players in (MAPP must be able to call on Ryan Giggs) I think patience is required.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 27, 2014 17:20:53 GMT
Any players we sign now, we are likely to be lumbered with for two years. Hence to rush out and in haste sign 5 players now may backfire well before next summer (Certainly some fans will decide by November the new players are a waste of space and want to get rid). We definitely need to get a striker in as urgent priority, but then I would like to build the squad slowly with players MAPP is 100% confident in. As we play matches MAPP will have a much better understanding of the weaknesses in the squad and no doubt fill gaps with a loan until a permanent transfer is available. In our league the transfer window deadlines seem a bit of a myth as it always seems possible to get a player on loan before signing in the transfer window. Surely DF and MAPP have enough connections to get quality loan players in (MAPP must be able to call on Ryan Giggs) I think patience is required. If he does get loans in they have to be season long loans, T much chopping and changing will do us harm and we could end up faltering again.
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Post by dabigfella on Jul 27, 2014 17:34:28 GMT
Any players we sign now, we are likely to be lumbered with for two years. Hence to rush out and in haste sign 5 players now may backfire well before next summer (Certainly some fans will decide by November the new players are a waste of space and want to get rid). We definitely need to get a striker in as urgent priority, but then I would like to build the squad slowly with players MAPP is 100% confident in. As we play matches MAPP will have a much better understanding of the weaknesses in the squad and no doubt fill gaps with a loan until a permanent transfer is available. In our league the transfer window deadlines seem a bit of a myth as it always seems possible to get a player on loan before signing in the transfer window. Surely DF and MAPP have enough connections to get quality loan players in (MAPP must be able to call on Ryan Giggs) I think patience is required. If he does get loans in they have to be season long loans, T much chopping and changing will do us harm and we could end up faltering again. That's ok if you are content to accept mid table obscurity this season with a possible flirtation with relegation. If we had a reasonably strong squad I would accept that scenario, but we don't. The squad as it stands will possibly struggle and finish well in the bottom half of the table.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 27, 2014 17:37:53 GMT
If he does get loans in they have to be season long loans, T much chopping and changing will do us harm and we could end up faltering again. That's ok if you are content to accept mid table obscurity this season with a possible flirtation with relegation. If we had a reasonably strong squad I would accept that scenario, but we don't. The squad as it stands will possibly struggle and finish well in the bottom half of the table. I agree with you bigfella at the moment if we have no more additions we could even be fighting relegation.
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Post by cecantena on Jul 27, 2014 17:44:46 GMT
For goodness sake, there WILL be additions!
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Post by bullytheox86 on Jul 27, 2014 19:13:52 GMT
Any players we sign now, we are likely to be lumbered with for two years. Hence to rush out and in haste sign 5 players now may backfire well before next summer (Certainly some fans will decide by November the new players are a waste of space and want to get rid). We definitely need to get a striker in as urgent priority, but then I would like to build the squad slowly with players MAPP is 100% confident in. As we play matches MAPP will have a much better understanding of the weaknesses in the squad and no doubt fill gaps with a loan until a permanent transfer is available. In our league the transfer window deadlines seem a bit of a myth as it always seems possible to get a player on loan before signing in the transfer window. Surely DF and MAPP have enough connections to get quality loan players in (MAPP must be able to call on Ryan Giggs) I think patience is required. with appleton's and fazackerly's links to blackburn mabe we can get jordan rhoades back
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Post by londonroader on Jul 27, 2014 19:24:30 GMT
I disagree that MApp won't be able to achieve on the pitch with some extra additions Long Hunt Mullins Wright Meades Collins Rose Potter New signing New signing Hylton Should be enough (with the dev squad as back up alongside the likes of Raynes and Newey as back-up) to put us in a good spot until Jan, and that is with only 2 extra additions. Let's hope so! All the pace and goals have been taken out of the team from last season. Still think we could do with a couple more than that. Pace and goals! good one
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