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Post by willscarlett on Jul 24, 2014 10:10:37 GMT
Backroom staff.....Squad bonding session....Try to bring more players in.....Bit ass about face to me So what do they do sit on their asses and forget about the 90% of the squad already here and say come back in when we've signed 3 more players! And that existing squad needs coaching support to the level we have had for the last 4 years 90% ? nearer 70% I think.
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Post by charliesghost on Jul 24, 2014 12:17:13 GMT
as i've just said would make more sense to have a bonding session once your squad is complete as all bar 2 already know each other. Nothing to do with ignoring the other 90% but more that you'll have less time to coach the new players to the way you want to play + increase their fitness levels. But that it more down to the fact they only took over 2 weeks ago. Most teams would have identified players in jan or towards then end when they knew who they were letting go. We were always going to be playing catch up. U can rush and bring in 5-6 players like jim smith did, it don't always work. But we had no scouting in place probably not identified any, or if we had they were not deemed good enough. (McDonald) and like someone else said if we r looking at better players they r probably talking to a lot of different clubs. The fact we now have some well know and respected coaches might be enough to swing the decisions in our favour . I'm getting nervous but still believe. Like d:ream say things can only get better Actually, as a matter of fact, they took over 3 weeks ago, not two, and anyone involved in the bidding process for a club will already have factored in the immediate things that would need to be done before taking over. It would be madness not to do that. I suspect th delay is that Mapp, having not previously worked in League 2, has been slightly surprised that some of his top targets have been a bit more expensive than he might have thought, given the level. This is the conundrum. At this level picking up serviceable full backs, stoppers and defensive midfielders is straightforward and relatively cheap compared to higher leagues. But goals are scarce and cost exponentially more money. So whereas a good full back might be 70 k a year, a reliable 15 goal a season striker is generally going to be more like 120 k a year, and even at that level will be much in demand. Trying to find 3 goalscoring players, swiftly, and on a limited budget, is uber tough. That's not Mapp's fault, at all. But I think it is the most likely explanation.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 24, 2014 12:47:33 GMT
But that it more down to the fact they only took over 2 weeks ago. Most teams would have identified players in jan or towards then end when they knew who they were letting go. We were always going to be playing catch up. U can rush and bring in 5-6 players like jim smith did, it don't always work. But we had no scouting in place probably not identified any, or if we had they were not deemed good enough. (McDonald) and like someone else said if we r looking at better players they r probably talking to a lot of different clubs. The fact we now have some well know and respected coaches might be enough to swing the decisions in our favour . I'm getting nervous but still believe. Like d:ream say things can only get better Actually, as a matter of fact, they took over 3 weeks ago, not two, and anyone involved in the bidding process for a club will already have factored in the immediate things that would need to be done before taking over. It would be madness not to do that. I suspect th delay is that Mapp, having not previously worked in League 2, has been slightly surprised that some of his top targets have been a bit more expensive than he might have thought, given the level. This is the conundrum. At this level picking up serviceable full backs, stoppers and defensive midfielders is straightforward and relatively cheap compared to higher leagues. But goals are scarce and cost exponentially more money. So whereas a good full back might be 70 k a year, a reliable 15 goal a season striker is generally going to be more like 120 k a year, and even at that level will be much in demand. Trying to find 3 goalscoring players, swiftly, and on a limited budget, is uber tough. That's not Mapp's fault, at all. But I think it is the most likely explanation. So it leaves us with settling for maybe an extra player at 70-80 k and hoping 1-2 strikers have a good season and Roberts settles in first team football, or spend the extra on a couple of very decent strikers but a slightly smaller squad. I think the second option could be why were talking 3-4 and not the 8 that we let go. It's the convincing them to drop that will be the hard part , but with well known coaches like ma and df we stand a chance
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Post by foley on Jul 24, 2014 14:14:13 GMT
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Post by foley on Jul 24, 2014 14:15:25 GMT
Actually, as a matter of fact, they took over 3 weeks ago, not two, and anyone involved in the bidding process for a club will already have factored in the immediate things that would need to be done before taking over. It would be madness not to do that. I suspect th delay is that Mapp, having not previously worked in League 2, has been slightly surprised that some of his top targets have been a bit more expensive than he might have thought, given the level. This is the conundrum. At this level picking up serviceable full backs, stoppers and defensive midfielders is straightforward and relatively cheap compared to higher leagues. But goals are scarce and cost exponentially more money. So whereas a good full back might be 70 k a year, a reliable 15 goal a season striker is generally going to be more like 120 k a year, and even at that level will be much in demand. Trying to find 3 goalscoring players, swiftly, and on a limited budget, is uber tough. That's not Mapp's fault, at all. But I think it is the most likely explanation. Charlie, I understand that you have been much closer to me on this, but your numbers do surprise me. If Wycombe, Rochdale, Wimbledon , Burton really have to pay £70K for a good full back then I am not surprised that football has its financial difficulties in the bottom league. For relatively averagely supported Division 4 clubs, but with decent seasons (except Wycombe), these figures do seem very high. On that basis I am not surprised that MAPP has had his problems and IL wanted one more player signed! I am not wanting to knock the new owners so early on, but if they have miscalculated the cost of decent players at this level, they have made one big mistake which could well threaten their £1.5M loss estimate or the 6000 average crowd (which in itself will increase the £1.5m loss)
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Post by gottagetbetta on Jul 24, 2014 14:28:37 GMT
Keith Andrews won't be one of the incoming players. Signed on a season long loan for Watford.
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Post by charliesghost on Jul 24, 2014 15:46:36 GMT
Actually, as a matter of fact, they took over 3 weeks ago, not two, and anyone involved in the bidding process for a club will already have factored in the immediate things that would need to be done before taking over. It would be madness not to do that. I suspect th delay is that Mapp, having not previously worked in League 2, has been slightly surprised that some of his top targets have been a bit more expensive than he might have thought, given the level. This is the conundrum. At this level picking up serviceable full backs, stoppers and defensive midfielders is straightforward and relatively cheap compared to higher leagues. But goals are scarce and cost exponentially more money. So whereas a good full back might be 70 k a year, a reliable 15 goal a season striker is generally going to be more like 120 k a year, and even at that level will be much in demand. Trying to find 3 goalscoring players, swiftly, and on a limited budget, is uber tough. That's not Mapp's fault, at all. But I think it is the most likely explanation. Charlie, I understand that you have been much closer to me on this, but your numbers do surprise me. If Wycombe, Rochdale, Wimbledon , Burton really have to pay £70K for a good full back then I am not surprised that football has its financial difficulties in the bottom league. For relatively averagely supported Division 4 clubs, but with decent seasons (except Wycombe), these figures do seem very high. On that basis I am not surprised that MAPP has had his problems and IL wanted one more player signed! I am not wanting to knock the new owners so early on, but if they have miscalculated the cost of decent players at this level, they have made one big mistake which could well threaten their £1.5M loss estimate or the 6000 average crowd (which in itself will increase the £1.5m loss) First, I should state that I have no inside knowledge on the salaries of our players, past or present. However, whilst preparing our bid I spoke extensively to people in and around the game about current salaries in League 2 and League 1, as well as the Conference. It's roughly as follows for seniors in promotion-targeting sides in League 2: Gk: 80 k ; reserve goalie 40 k (usually a youngster) Full backs: 70k Stoppers: 80-90k Midfielders: 80k Wingers: 80 k Goal-scoring midfielders: 90-100k Strikers: 100-140 k So if your senior squad consists of 2 keepers = 120k; 3 full-backs = 200k; four centre backs (one of 3 of whom can cover as a full back) = 320k; 6 midfielders/wingers = 480k; 3 out-and-out strikers = 350k. That is 18 established players at a cost of £1.45 million. You then have five 'young professionals' on their first contract on, say, 30 k each = £1.6 million. We reckoned that with Whingy a long-term injury, we would then need an extra midfielder - ergo we were looking at a playing budget of £1.7 million for a 24 man squad with one long-term injury (so effectively a squad of 23) Clearly, these figures would then have had to be matched up with the actuality of what current players are being paid, and then tested in the 'real' market. And there are anomalies: you can spend more than 80k on a top winger; you can get a workable full-back for 60k. So there are no absolute rules, but I think you'll find that those figures stack up reasonably well.
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Post by charliesghost on Jul 24, 2014 15:49:35 GMT
By the way, it also shows how hugely valuable it is to have young professionals who are good enough to be part of the first team squad. It means that you can have a full squad (ie cover in every position), without having to pad your wage bill out with endless extra journeymen on 60k a year who then end up sitting on the bench.
This is something which we, and the new owners, should be grateful to Ian (and Simon) Lenagan for. It means we could compete at the top of the table without quite spending like a top of the table side.
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Post by bigfella72 on Jul 24, 2014 15:55:27 GMT
By the way, it also shows how hugely valuable it is to have young professionals who are good enough to be part of the first team squad. It means that you can have a full squad (ie cover in every position), without having to pad your wage bill out with endless extra journeymen on 60k a year who then end up sitting on the bench. This is something which we, and the new owners, should be grateful to Ian (and Simon) Lenagan for. It means we could compete at the top of the table without quite spending like a top of the table side. Would Ruffels fall into the £30k bracket?
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Post by yellowjam on Jul 24, 2014 15:57:18 GMT
By the way, it also shows how hugely valuable it is to have young professionals who are good enough to be part of the first team squad. It means that you can have a full squad (ie cover in every position), without having to pad your wage bill out with endless extra journeymen on 60k a year who then end up sitting on the bench. This is something which we, and the new owners, should be grateful to Ian (and Simon) Lenagan for. It means we could compete at the top of the table without quite spending like a top of the table side. Would Ruffels fall into the £30k bracket? Would depend on his new contract
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Post by eighteen93 on Jul 24, 2014 15:59:23 GMT
So by your reckoning Charlie we have freed up the best part of £500k in salaries:
Kitson say £130k pa Constable say £120k pa Smalley £100k pa Rigg say £80k pa Davies say £70k pa
(No wonder they have all gone !)
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Post by yellowjam on Jul 24, 2014 16:04:22 GMT
So by your reckoning Charlie we have freed up the best part of £500k in salaries: Kitson say £130k pa Constable say £120k pa Smalley £100k pa Rigg say £80k pa Davies say £70k pa (No wonder they have all gone !) Kitsons was well over £150k+ plus what we were paying for loan players
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Post by charliesghost on Jul 24, 2014 16:55:01 GMT
So by your reckoning Charlie we have freed up the best part of £500k in salaries: Kitson say £130k pa Constable say £120k pa Smalley £100k pa Rigg say £80k pa Davies say £70k pa (No wonder they have all gone !) I don't think so. It's 120k plus for the top goalscorers - the guys who can reliably score 15 goals plus. Neither Beano nor Kitson fell into that category. Smalley had taken a significant wage cut to stay the previous summer, whilst Davies was a squad player. So I think you'll find it's more like 400 k saved by those players leaving (tho we've had to pay up a fair bit of Kitson's contract). We've then brought in Collins (80k?) and Hylton (90k?). So that leaves about 200k left in the budget. But some players will have got pay rises too (Ruffels, one would imagine). So it may be only 150 odd left in there, plus the rumoured 250k "flex" = 400k. Split that between the 5/6 players they wanted to bring in, and you're struggling. Hence why I think it's reduced to 2/3 players, because with 400k we should be able to bring in two 120k strikers, a good winger (90k, say) and maybe another midfielder on loan? All total guesswork.
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Post by jammydodger on Jul 24, 2014 17:00:08 GMT
I'd be surprised if 18 year olds on their first professional contract would be earning £30k a year in league 2.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 24, 2014 17:03:50 GMT
So by your reckoning Charlie we have freed up the best part of £500k in salaries: Kitson say £130k pa Constable say £120k pa Smalley £100k pa Rigg say £80k pa Davies say £70k pa (No wonder they have all gone !) I don't think so. It's 120k plus for the top goalscorers - the guys who can reliably score 15 goals plus. Neither Beano nor Kitson fell into that category. Smalley had taken a significant wage cut to stay the previous summer, whilst Davies was a squad player. So I think you'll find it's more like 400 k saved by those players leaving (tho we've had to pay up a fair bit of Kitson's contract). We've then brought in Collins (80k?) and Hylton (90k?). So that leaves about 200k left in the budget. But some players will have got pay rises too (Ruffels, one would imagine). So it may be only 150 odd left in there, plus the rumoured 250k "flex" = 400k. Split that between the 5/6 players they wanted to bring in, and you're struggling. Hence why I think it's reduced to 2/3 players, because with 400k we should be able to bring in two 120k strikers, a good winger (90k, say) and maybe another midfielder on loan? All total guesswork. Beano was on or very very close to 2k per week. So 104k ain't that far off a top 120k striker. Can't see kitson was on less than that
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Post by pottersrightboot on Jul 24, 2014 17:13:21 GMT
Let's be honest, you're all winging it when it comes to salaries. £70k for a L2 left back? . I don't think so. We don't really know what the wage budget is, it hasn't been specified in discussions with Oxvox and nor should it, as it could be used by sharp agents. There should be now some pretty anxious players out there, (some plenty good enough for us), who have not been fixed up and I guess there is still time to pick up some diamonds. Maybe. But it's only a fortnight to go to Burton and the squad as constituted is the most threadbare we've had for many a season. One proven striker, one proven winger, (and that's on a good day Alfie ), 2 proven fit midfielders. (Jury out on Ruffels for me). The rest are kids. No wonder we've got the worry beads out.
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Post by bigfella72 on Jul 24, 2014 18:47:12 GMT
If Roleys right then Grimes will be here in the next 24 hrs ! AM sorted.
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Post by foley on Jul 24, 2014 19:09:18 GMT
Let's be honest, you're all winging it when it comes to salaries. £70k for a L2 left back? . I don't think so. We don't really know what the wage budget is, it hasn't been specified in discussions with Oxvox and nor should it, as it could be used by sharp agents. There should be now some pretty anxious players out there, (some plenty good enough for us), who have not been fixed up and I guess there is still time to pick up some diamonds. Maybe. But it's only a fortnight to go to Burton and the squad as constituted is the most threadbare we've had for many a season. One proven striker, one proven winger, (and that's on a good day Alfie ), 2 proven fit midfielders. (Jury out on Ruffels for me). The rest are kids. No wonder we've got the worry beads out. Let's be realistic- most of the good players that are decent have gone. So we are trying to get players who have over valued themselves or are not wanted by other clubs.
I for one are very worried. the new owners came in suggesting that there would be what 4-5 players coming in soon and yet .....
We have nowhere near a good enough squad for this division. MAPP will have to be a miracle worker ....
I always backed Il's vision of growing the youth team/ getting the womens team involved etc. I now think that he has left us with debts of £7m plus, and a club losing £1.5M a year with a squad not remotely ready for the new season. I will always support my team but I feel the supporters have been let down somewhat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 19:20:07 GMT
I read it as 2 or 3 forwards, not signings in total:
"Adding firepower was already a priority for United, and their need only increased in the wake of Dave Kitson’s retirement.
Appleton, who is looking at long-term loans in addition to permanent deals, said: “We are short, and if we’re going to go with three up there, we’re going to need two or three additions."
I.e. If we are playing 3 up front then we need two or three additions (in the context of the forward line)
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Post by yellowjam on Jul 24, 2014 21:23:19 GMT
So by your reckoning Charlie we have freed up the best part of £500k in salaries: Kitson say £130k pa Constable say £120k pa Smalley £100k pa Rigg say £80k pa Davies say £70k pa (No wonder they have all gone !) I don't think so. It's 120k plus for the top goalscorers - the guys who can reliably score 15 goals plus. Neither Beano nor Kitson fell into that category. Smalley had taken a significant wage cut to stay the previous summer, whilst Davies was a squad player. So I think you'll find it's more like 400 k saved by those players leaving (tho we've had to pay up a fair bit of Kitson's contract). We've then brought in Collins (80k?) and Hylton (90k?). So that leaves about 200k left in the budget. But some players will have got pay rises too (Ruffels, one would imagine). So it may be only 150 odd left in there, plus the rumoured 250k "flex" = 400k. Split that between the 5/6 players they wanted to bring in, and you're struggling. Hence why I think it's reduced to 2/3 players, because with 400k we should be able to bring in two 120k strikers, a good winger (90k, say) and maybe another midfielder on loan? All total guesswork. We must of spend another £100k+ over last season on loan signings aswell Connelly, Hall, Williams, Wroe, Jalal. With Kitson Constable & Rigg gone (all rumoured to be our top earners) surely we could sign 3 top players in there positions in for there replacement Ruffles was the only player to get a new contract this summer so you'd think he'd of got a pay rise but not a massive amount, they had a clause in Wright Raynes & Bevans surely that will stay the same in wages With 8 players leaving this summer I can't see how this players (including loanes) can't be replaced with the same amount & get to near enough the same budget as last season, we know we need to extra for a keeper as Clarke could be out half the season (I might be total wrong in the way I'm seeing this) Question Charlie tho Why would the club have to pay Kitson a fair bit?
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Post by yellowjam on Jul 24, 2014 21:27:08 GMT
I forgot about Newey was given a new contract aswell & been told he's on LESS than what he was on last season aswell
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Post by unification on Jul 26, 2014 18:58:33 GMT
So by your reckoning Charlie we have freed up the best part of £500k in salaries: Kitson say £130k pa Constable say £120k pa Smalley £100k paRigg say £80k pa Davies say £70k pa (No wonder they have all gone !) Smalley was on greatly reduced terms last year. I think his original deal may have been closer to that figure. Irrespective, even if he was earning nothing and playing for us, I'd sooner not have him.
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Post by horseman on Jul 26, 2014 19:18:46 GMT
We need players - not fancy backroom boys! It's admirable that Ashton wants to "do things the right way" and put a strong management infrastructure in place. It's a nice theory. But it's all arse about face, right now. Ashton is creating the infrastructure he believes is right for a football club - any football club. That's great, but it's not addressing the current circumstances of Oxford United. Our club is in a weak, vulnerable place. We have over-spent and over-cooked the support staff. This should have been done gradually, over time, as the club develops. I cannot see how the club will break even in three years. Even now to be losing probably more than £1.5M this season is totally mind-boggling when you consider the squad. It's a total mess and who will ultimately suffer: the fans. At the core of the short term problem is the fact they have budgeted a £1.5M loss for this season on average crowds of 6,000. Did they look at last season's attendances? Most L2 sides, bar Pompey and Luton, will bring a couple of hundred. Our season ticket sales, all early birds, are 800 lower than last season. Say we edge the season tickets up to 3,000 and add in the away crowd, that will mean we'll need to sell about 1,750 match-day tickets, which is a tall order. The figures will be boosted by say three high gates - Luton and Pompey, plus say a Boxing Day. But generally speaking we'll do well to get much more 5,000 a match. The only way this will improve is if we have the right players on the pitch. We haven't got the couple of thousand fans back that stopped going when the football was boring and the club stalling under Wilder and Lenagan. As things stand I can't see them coming back anytime soon. I've been saying pretty much the same things and was accused of having an agenda. Against this back-drop of a tough revenue climate, I find it totally bizarre that Ashton has invested so much in the backroom staff. We're in L2. Not the Championship. We do not need another video analyst - we already have one! That's probably £50K straight off the playing budget. What would have boosted ticket sales? No brainer. A quality striker signing. Someone likes Tubbs - that would have pulled in the punters, not a couple of back-roomers. Let's have a stab and say the playing budget is £1.4M and the full backroom staff is about £450K. That means a third of the playing budget has been spent on back-room staff. If true, that's totally potty. We need proportionality. A Premier League club wouldn't operate such a ratio. We should have cut our cloth accordingly. We need to get the best team on the pitch as possible. Yes, it is important they are coached well, and we already had a Sports Science provision in place and a video analyst and two coaches. Hopefully this season thanks to the improved backroom set up we will see some better set pieces! But I do not believe we really needed to employ a Head of Recruitment right now - we're only in the market for a couple of players. That, like the video analyst, is money straight out of the playing budget. A full scale infrastructure is a 'nice to have' rather than a necessity. The real problem has been the players have not been good enough. They were not good enough last season and right now a lot of us would welcome some of them back! We do need 5 to 6 players. That was the right assessment when Appleton joined. However, I believe he was then told he won't have the money for that many because Ashton wanted to bring in the backroom staff and they didn't realise how much L2 players are really paid. Not the best planning - an that's a concern, because we need a tight, well researched plan to stand a chance of being anything other than a L2 club. On this basis I reckon Appleton has thus decided to sign less players, but sign ones that are good. But they'll need to be really good! We're thin and are bound to get injuries. It's a mess. Surely most of the top players will have been snapped up already - we're two weeks from the start of the season! I wish him well, because he's a bloody tough gig. It's a bizarre situation. Have we ever been so ill-prepared for a season before?? I've been saying pretty much the same things and got accused of having an agenda. Sadly it's too late now as i've had to make a family decision and cannot justify outlaying upwards of £800 when very little has changed on the pitch so i wont be renewing.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 26, 2014 19:25:38 GMT
We've been prepared well in advance the last 4 season and look where that's got us. Now were r better prepared behind the scenes to hopefully play a better style of football, use the exciting youth, and hopefully cut out the December collapse. Build it and they will come
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Post by Kris Grebis on Jul 26, 2014 19:27:59 GMT
We need players - not fancy backroom boys! It's admirable that Ashton wants to "do things the right way" and put a strong management infrastructure in place. It's a nice theory. But it's all arse about face, right now. Ashton is creating the infrastructure he believes is right for a football club - any football club. That's great, but it's not addressing the current circumstances of Oxford United. Our club is in a weak, vulnerable place. We have over-spent and over-cooked the support staff. This should have been done gradually, over time, as the club develops. I cannot see how the club will break even in three years. Even now to be losing probably more than £1.5M this season is totally mind-boggling when you consider the squad. It's a total mess and who will ultimately suffer: the fans. At the core of the short term problem is the fact they have budgeted a £1.5M loss for this season on average crowds of 6,000. Did they look at last season's attendances? Most L2 sides, bar Pompey and Luton, will bring a couple of hundred. Our season ticket sales, all early birds, are 800 lower than last season. Say we edge the season tickets up to 3,000 and add in the away crowd, that will mean we'll need to sell about 1,750 match-day tickets, which is a tall order. The figures will be boosted by say three high gates - Luton and Pompey, plus say a Boxing Day. But generally speaking we'll do well to get much more 5,000 a match. The only way this will improve is if we have the right players on the pitch. We haven't got the couple of thousand fans back that stopped going when the football was boring and the club stalling under Wilder and Lenagan. As things stand I can't see them coming back anytime soon. Against this back-drop of a tough revenue climate, I find it totally bizarre that Ashton has invested so much in the backroom staff. We're in L2. Not the Championship. We do not need another video analyst - we already have one! That's probably £50K straight off the playing budget. What would have boosted ticket sales? No brainer. A quality striker signing. Someone likes Tubbs - that would have pulled in the punters, not a couple of back-roomers. Let's have a stab and say the playing budget is £1.4M and the full backroom staff is about £450K. That means a third of the playing budget has been spent on back-room staff. If true, that's totally potty. We need proportionality. A Premier League club wouldn't operate such a ratio. We should have cut our cloth accordingly. We need to get the best team on the pitch as possible. Yes, it is important they are coached well, and we already had a Sports Science provision in place and a video analyst and two coaches. Hopefully this season thanks to the improved backroom set up we will see some better set pieces! But I do not believe we really needed to employ a Head of Recruitment right now - we're only in the market for a couple of players. That, like the video analyst, is money straight out of the playing budget. A full scale infrastructure is a 'nice to have' rather than a necessity. The real problem has been the players have not been good enough. They were not good enough last season and right now a lot of us would welcome some of them back! We do need 5 to 6 players. That was the right assessment when Appleton joined. However, I believe he was then told he won't have the money for that many because Ashton wanted to bring in the backroom staff and they didn't realise how much L2 players are really paid. Not the best planning - an that's a concern, because we need a tight, well researched plan to stand a chance of being anything other than a L2 club. On this basis I reckon Appleton has thus decided to sign less players, but sign ones that are good. But they'll need to be really good! We're thin and are bound to get injuries. It's a mess. Surely most of the top players will have been snapped up already - we're two weeks from the start of the season! I wish him well, because he's a bloody tough gig. It's a bizarre situation. Have we ever been so ill-prepared for a season before?? I think you are being way too quick to criticise the people in charge.. the season hasn't started yet so you cant really complain too much about the players (especially when we have 500k more in the player budget than last year), and you are basically criticising them for bringing in very good backroom staff, whereas before you would complain that the backroom staff wasnt good enough. I think after Monday your view will be changed a lot
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Post by horseman on Jul 26, 2014 19:36:46 GMT
We've been prepared well in advance the last 4 season and look where that's got us. Now were r better prepared behind the scenes to hopefully play a better style of football, use the exciting youth, and hopefully cut out the December collapse. Build it and they will come [/font] Balance of the 2 though surely? The collapse that was relegation form you mean? problem is nothing is built as there's many vital parts missing.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 26, 2014 19:51:57 GMT
We've been prepared well in advance the last 4 season and look where that's got us. Now were r better prepared behind the scenes to hopefully play a better style of football, use the exciting youth, and hopefully cut out the December collapse. Build it and they will come [/font] Balance of the 2 though surely? The collapse that was relegation form you mean? problem is nothing is built as there's many vital parts missing. [/quote] Yeah and I'm sure they have all been sat in their deck chairs today sunbathing . Oh no wait another decent pre season result. And I dare say more behind the scenes discussions and deals for players.
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Post by baldy on Jul 26, 2014 20:12:01 GMT
So by your reckoning Charlie we have freed up the best part of £500k in salaries: Kitson say £130k pa Constable say £120k pa Smalley £100k pa Rigg say £80k pa Davies say £70k pa (No wonder they have all gone !) Tell me you're having a laugh ! Kitson may have just nudged £100,000 but I doubt that even. Constable over £2,000 a week in L2 ? More like £1200-1300 per week. Smalley was on vastly reduced terms the past season. £60,000 tops. Rigg would have possibly been on a half decent contract but nothing like the £1500 per week you suggest. Davies on nothing like £70,000. We took him off the scrap heap. £40,000 maybe even less.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 26, 2014 20:24:57 GMT
So by your reckoning Charlie we have freed up the best part of £500k in salaries: Kitson say £130k pa Constable say £120k pa Smalley £100k pa Rigg say £80k pa Davies say £70k pa (No wonder they have all gone !) Tell me you're having a laugh ! Kitson may have just nudged £100,000 but I doubt that even. Constable over £2,000 a week in L2 ? More like £1200-1300 per week. Smalley was on vastly reduced terms the past season. £60,000 tops. Rigg would have possibly been on a half decent contract but nothing like the £1500 per week you suggest. Davies on nothing like £70,000. We took him off the scrap heap. £40,000 maybe even less. Didn't Donald or beano confirm he's on £1700 at Eastleigh. Also I know it's not gospel but football manger do put a lot of time into the research for the data and that had beano on . 2k a week. Do the sums ur self on ur figures. I bet they get no where near the 1. Wage bill for last season
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jul 26, 2014 20:58:19 GMT
I think you are being a little OTT Langan. I understand your points, but it comes across as you are looking for something to complain about. I would love to have multiple signings join us on 5th July, but looking at what the club are trying to sign, I can appreciate why we haven't signed players now.
Nothing is perfect at the club. I don't think anyone would say it is.
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