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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 23, 2014 15:52:03 GMT
If that happens bigfella then I think we will be doomed. If what happens? We play 4-2-3-1? Or 3 strikers? I did ask how many do we need? I guess if one of the so called 3 attacking mids can play CF that would help? You can't have one striker on the pitch and two plus Roberts really as you wouldn't keep them all happy. IMO. We need a minimum of 2 strikers wiyh 2 midfielders with one of the midfielders being attack minded, IMO
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Post by bigfella72 on Jul 23, 2014 15:55:31 GMT
If what happens? We play 4-2-3-1? Or 3 strikers? I did ask how many do we need? I guess if one of the so called 3 attacking mids can play CF that would help? You can't have one striker on the pitch and two plus Roberts really as you wouldn't keep them all happy. IMO. We need a minimum of 2 strikers wiyh 2 midfielders with one of the midfielders being attack minded, IMO 2 more strikers in that formation would push Roberts down to 4th choice, so he might aswell go out on loan. I would agree with you if we are going to play 4-4-2 but then I think we probably need two more wingers aswell. One left and one right.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 23, 2014 15:59:02 GMT
We need a minimum of 2 strikers wiyh 2 midfielders with one of the midfielders being attack minded, IMO 2 more strikers in that formation would push Roberts down to 4th choice, so he might aswell go out on loan. I would agree with you if we are going to play 4-4-2 but then I think we probably need two more wingers aswell. One left and one right. At the moment I would start with Roberts as we only really have him and Alfie but as I am sure ( well I bloody well hope so ) will bring in 2 more quality strikers and Roberts to be on the bench and bleed him into the 1 st team via sub appearances. Still a young lad so we need to nurture him in carefully.
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Post by bigfella72 on Jul 23, 2014 16:02:39 GMT
2 more strikers in that formation would push Roberts down to 4th choice, so he might aswell go out on loan. I would agree with you if we are going to play 4-4-2 but then I think we probably need two more wingers aswell. One left and one right. At the moment I would start with Roberts as we only really have him and Alfie but as I am sure ( well I bloody well hope so ) will bring in 2 more quality strikers and Roberts to be on the bench and bleed him into the 1 st team via sub appearances. Still a young lad so we need to nurture him in carefully. Have you forgotten Hylton? Do you think we will play 2 strikers then?
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 23, 2014 16:04:43 GMT
At the moment I would start with Roberts as we only really have him and Alfie but as I am sure ( well I bloody well hope so ) will bring in 2 more quality strikers and Roberts to be on the bench and bleed him into the 1 st team via sub appearances. Still a young lad so we need to nurture him in carefully. Have you forgotten Hylton? Do you think we will play 2 strikers then? I had sorry but still need 2 decent strikers, Hylton maybe a striker but I would put beano before him any day and beano was only getting 11 or so.
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Post by bigfella72 on Jul 23, 2014 16:06:57 GMT
Have you forgotten Hylton? Do you think we will play 2 strikers then? I had sorry but still need 2 decent strikers, Hylton maybe a striker but I would put beano before him any day and beano was only getting 11 or so. Like I said, I agree we would need two more strikers IF we play 4-4-2 but then we need two wingers to cover or play instead of Potter & O'Dowda. So 4 new players not including another CM?
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Post by yellowg on Jul 23, 2014 16:13:53 GMT
we dont need the size of squad that wilder was used to, but I'm pretty sure we need more than 3!
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 23, 2014 16:14:41 GMT
I had sorry but still need 2 decent strikers, Hylton maybe a striker but I would put beano before him any day and beano was only getting 11 or so. Like I said, I agree we would need two more strikers IF we play 4-4-2 but then we need two wingers to cover or play instead of Potter & O'Dowda. So 4 new players not including another CM? Then we need 5 players as a quality attacking midfielder is a must.
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Post by bigfella72 on Jul 23, 2014 16:23:14 GMT
Like I said, I agree we would need two more strikers IF we play 4-4-2 but then we need two wingers to cover or play instead of Potter & O'Dowda. So 4 new players not including another CM? Then we need 5 players as a quality attacking midfielder is a must. Can't see us getting 5! Think we would get away with less players with the 4-3-2-1 that has looked good in the friendlies. It will be interesting to see how he sets his teams out against Wolves and Bournemouth.
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Post by jammydodger on Jul 23, 2014 16:25:40 GMT
we dont need the size of squad that wilder was used to, but I'm pretty sure we need more than 3! Not sure what you mean? Last season we had the smallest playing squad in league 2.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 23, 2014 16:26:38 GMT
The only problem with a lone striker is the amount of work they are required to do and chip in with a decent goal scoring record and if Hylton was th
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Jul 23, 2014 16:29:53 GMT
There are very few strikers that can play up front on their own at this level. Wilder tried it numerous times and it simply didn't work. If needs be I'd tell Alfie to play centrally (and give him a compass so he knows which way 'forward' is) along with Hylton (since I'm not sure it's fair to put the pressure of scoring all the goals on Roberts!).
Hopefully we will recruit players that make that dismal scenario consigned to the dustbin though.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jul 23, 2014 16:32:43 GMT
There are very few strikers that can play up front on their own at this level. Wilder tried it numerous times and it simply didn't work. If needs be I'd tell Alfie to play centrally (and give him a compass so he knows which way 'forward' is) along with Hylton (since I'm not sure it's fair to put the pressure of scoring all the goals on Roberts!). Hopefully we will recruit players that make that dismal scenario consigned to the dustbin though. Would prefer Alfie on the wing and 2 quality strikers to feed of him and COD.
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Post by yellowg on Jul 23, 2014 16:36:08 GMT
we dont need the size of squad that wilder was used to, but I'm pretty sure we need more than 3! Not sure what you mean? Last season we had the smallest playing squad in league 2. Really!!!!? CHRIST!
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 23, 2014 16:46:39 GMT
we dont need the size of squad that wilder was used to, but I'm pretty sure we need more than 3! Not sure what you mean? Last season we had the smallest playing squad in league 2. Thought that was accrington
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Post by jammydodger on Jul 23, 2014 16:56:45 GMT
Not sure what you mean? Last season we had the smallest playing squad in league 2. Thought that was accrington Nope. Here
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 23, 2014 17:03:29 GMT
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Post by greatunclekip on Jul 23, 2014 17:26:51 GMT
Basically, our planning this pre season has been a shambles. Understandable perhaps, but a shambles nonetheless.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 23, 2014 17:28:42 GMT
That's players played not squad size . U think bury has 47 first team players.
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Post by fishpaste on Jul 23, 2014 17:31:18 GMT
Thought that was accrington Nope. HereDon't confuse your stats. Squad size and players used might have some correlation but they will have different results.
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Post by jammydodger on Jul 23, 2014 17:31:25 GMT
That's players played not squad size . U think bury has 47 first team players. No but still a very impressive stat considering the amount of injuries we had last season.
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Post by pwoufc on Jul 23, 2014 17:38:19 GMT
I thought it might be usful to check last seasons squad with this seasons with 2-3 signing coming.
Last season This season gk Clarke gk Clarke gk Crocombe gk Crocombe gk Brown
dl Newey dl Newey dl Lynn dl Meades
dc Mullins dc Mullins dc Wright dc Wright dc Raynes dc Raynes dc Long (untried) dc Long (+ yr experience)
dr Hunt dr Hunt dr Bevans (untried) dr Bevans (promissing start)
cm Rose cm Rose cm Hall/wroe cm Ruffels (promissing start) cm Whing cm Whing cm Ruffels (1 champ app) cm Ashby (untried) cm Davies cm Collins
Wingers Wingers/attacking minded midfielder Potter Potter Rigg O'Dowda (promissing start) o'dowda (untried) Shama (untried) williams (4 champ apps)
Forward Forwards Constable Hylton Kitson Roberts Smalley (redused wage) Marsh Connolly (signed end of January) Marsh
I think most would agree that we need to add attack minded players.
For me a forward is a must. If Appleton is planning on not using wide men as much maybe we could get a pacey striker who can also play as a winger if needed (with Meades covering left midfield also) and finally finish of with a creative attacking midfielder who could also play behind the forwards. I hope the Gk is separate to the 2-3.
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Post by mcxal on Jul 23, 2014 17:55:48 GMT
2-3 new players? On a squad which has lost 7-8 senior pros from last seasons squad (WHICH WAS UNDER-STRENGTH IN THE FIRST PLACE) and only replaced with 2 so far??
That is laughable.
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Post by yellowjam on Jul 23, 2014 18:00:27 GMT
Can't believe quite a few here thinking of Roberts as our main striker next season the lad is 17/18 year old & hasn't even played a minute in the league with people expecting him to come good straight away.
Unbelievable
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 23, 2014 18:00:51 GMT
2-3 new players? On a squad which has lost 7-8 senior pros from last seasons squad (WHICH WAS UNDER-STRENGTH IN THE FIRST PLACE) and only replaced with 2 so far?? That is laughable. Technically 3 of those weren't our players and brown never played . So we've lost 4 of our players, and been told were getting 4 players. If loans come on top of that it's almost exactly the same bar kitson . Lets wait and see
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Post by mcxal on Jul 23, 2014 18:11:36 GMT
But again, the squad was under strength and not good enough last season
This current plan barely sees us scraping together enough players to match that. And after playing 'wait and see' all summer - this mystical 'better than last season' players just don't seem to be coming along.
As has been pointed out in other threads, we're missing a massive amount of goals and assists from last seasons team (which finished 8th and was utterly hopeless after Wilder left). Can that really be replaced by 2/3 players in 2/3 weeks? I will be extremely impressed
I'm not quite hitting the panic button yet, and will probably give it another week before getting really edgy. These 2-3 could be mind-blowingly good signings and all would be forgiven.
But if it was behind one of those 'break in case of emergency' glass screens you get on trains I'm ripping the hammer off the wall right about now...
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Post by dubaiyellow on Jul 23, 2014 18:21:36 GMT
as it stands i (and I'm sure most of us) agree, however, all of the youngsters will be better than last season so thats a big plus. We got rid of a lot of players who quite frankly weren't good/ consistent enough or got injured/suspended too many times. we should bring in 3/4 new faces, hopefully better than the players we were aiming for under IL/GW so if that happens (give the guys a bit of time to make it happen) we should be in pretty good shape.
Personally, i think, if we have a really good keeper, a strong back 4 that is the first priority - so I'm glad the focus has been on a keeper this week. Of course we need some good forward players, i have no doubt they will come.
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Post by unification on Jul 23, 2014 18:22:10 GMT
I don't know how any Oxford fan can't be concerned by all of this. With every day that passes, that's another day that a new player doesn't spend with the squad. We could well be heading into that Burton game with some players who haven't played a minute of pre-season - rusty, unfamiliar and unwanted by anyone else. Shopping this late may knab you a bargain, but too often you're left with players no one else wants.
I'm concerned and this talk of only a handful more faces to come in, despite some hefty pay packets off our books, is really very worrying. I'd trade in Derek Fazackerley right now for Paul Benson. Even Shrewsbury have managed to bag themselves Liam Lawrence! I don't want to see a 'great' assistant in there - that's window-dressing. I want to see players in the key positions that need covering, namely strikers, wingers and centre midfielders.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 23, 2014 18:25:15 GMT
But again, the squad was under strength and not good enough last season This current plan barely sees us scraping together enough players to match that. And after playing 'wait and see' all summer - this mystical 'better than last season' players just don't seem to be coming along. As has been pointed out in other threads, we're missing a massive amount of goals and assists from last seasons team (which finished 8th and was utterly hopeless after Wilder left). Can that really be replaced by 2/3 players in 2/3 weeks? I will be extremely impressed I'm not quite hitting the panic button yet, and will probably give it another week before getting really edgy. These 2-3 could be mind-blowingly good signings and all would be forgiven. But if it was behind one of those 'break in case of emergency' glass screens you get on trains I'm ripping the hammer off the wall right about now... We r definitely lacking goals but that can be address in the 3 players. I don't think we were under strength last season as we hardly had to dip into the youth while wilder was here despite injuries. We were how ever not good enough. That said we had the best defensive record in the league till Xmas, getting those players their confidence back is all that department needs. Collins is an improvement on anything we have had in that position , but a not over worked rose plus ashby, ruffles and whing is decent centre mid. Although lacking a really attacking player. That in its self won't be a problem if we play the 4231 or 442 as the attack comes from the wingers and the no 10. And there is what were missing a left and right winger to challenge potter and o'dowda( maybe the other youth player grant is it?) and a couple of strikers who can get 30+ goals between them. No need for massive panic just wise appointments
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 23, 2014 18:27:11 GMT
I don't know how any Oxford fan can't be concerned by all of this. With every day that passes, that's another day that a new player doesn't spend with the squad. We could well be heading into that Burton game with some players who haven't played a minute of pre-season - rusty, unfamiliar and unwanted by anyone else. Shopping this late may knab you a bargain, but too often you're left with players no one else wants. I'm concerned and this talk of only a handful more faces to come in, despite some hefty pay packets off our books, is really very worrying. I'd trade in Derek Fazackerley right now for Paul Benson. Even Shrewsbury have managed to bag themselves Liam Lawrence! I don't want to see a 'great' assistant in there - that's window-dressing. I want to see players in the key positions that need covering, namely strikers, wingers and centre midfielders. Disagree , our lack of tactical knowledge and ability to change things around and do something different cos they have only been coached 1 formation has cost us. Don't just see him as a coach either . He will have massive amounts of contacts
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