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Post by Boogaloo on Jul 28, 2014 12:14:32 GMT
Any examples of Rooney not looking like he wants to be there? FIFA World Cup 2010 in South Africa. Remember him having a go at the fans for (quite rightly) booing the team?
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Post by Rugbyox on Jul 28, 2014 12:24:54 GMT
Any examples of Rooney not looking like he wants to be there? Getting sent off for petulantly kicking out at someone...
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Post by amarillo on Jul 28, 2014 13:23:56 GMT
Any examples of Rooney not looking like he wants to be there? The entire world cup 2010 The shouting at fans incident Put your bias aside and you would agree he is not captain material. Maybe its chance that his poorest displays have come at major tournaments - he's been decent in the qualifying - but he just isn't the kind of character that can keep a cool head and get the team going in difficult circumstances.
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Post by Junior on Jul 28, 2014 21:34:15 GMT
The shouting of the fans suggests he didn't want to be part of the World Cup?
Really?
Can a player not be frustrated and a little p*ssed off? Can he not have emotions? IMO it showed he was angry, angry with himself, his teammates the whole lot.
Yes it was wrong and was a twatish ( like the sending off, which was a moment of madness. Beckham also did the same, did he not want to be part of the England setup as well? ) thing to do but let's not use that as a reason to dig him out.
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Post by scotchegg on Jul 28, 2014 21:50:23 GMT
Rooney just isn't a leader on or off the pitch. There have been few games where he has taken it by the scruff of the neck and many more where he's let his frustrations show.
There are few that are guaranteed a starting place and no stand out leaders. Think the captaincy could change game by game until the squad becomes clearer.
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Post by amarillo on Jul 29, 2014 9:26:06 GMT
None of those things on their own make him unsuitable, but as a whole they do. Aggression can be a positive in a footballer if its channelled the right way, but with Rooney its not. He gets frustrated and loses focus and disappears from the game too often. You could tell it meant everything to Beckham and Gerrard to play for England, you don't get that impression with Rooney. He looks like he'd rather be on holiday.
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Post by sarumox on Jul 29, 2014 10:43:54 GMT
A captain is a player who not only will inspire and keep everyone focused on their job, but somebody who will also command respect. I doubt Rooney can do any of those things, certainly the latter, given his attitudes towards his club and fans. It should change between games as nobody in the current team is guaranteed, in my opinion, a starting place. Hart would be my choice, despite being the keeper. One of the most successful captains in Italy's history was Dino Zoff, so it can be done.
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Post by amarillo on Jul 29, 2014 11:33:44 GMT
I don't think it should change too much, you need some continuity. You're never going to get anywhere as a national team by chopping and changing too much based on short term form. You're always going to have a handful of players who will be regulars.
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Post by Junior on Jul 30, 2014 6:10:05 GMT
How can you tell it meant everything to Gerrard? If it did, wouldn't he still be playing now?
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Post by stevegilbert on Jul 30, 2014 8:53:08 GMT
How can you tell it meant everything to Gerrard? If it did, wouldn't he still be playing now? Ummm no, he wants his football career to go on as long as it can so at some point he has to knock the England playing on the head which he has now done. To say that playing for his country can't of meant everything to him because he has retired from England is stupid.
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Post by amarillo on Jul 30, 2014 9:34:01 GMT
How can you tell it meant everything to Gerrard? If it did, wouldn't he still be playing now? body language, stuff he says, the pain on his face when England lose, the effort he puts in on the pitch Not a big fan of players announcing international retirement, but IMO he retired because he knows he isn't good enough any more and that England would be better off trying out younger players in his position.
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Post by baldy on Jul 30, 2014 9:50:19 GMT
How can you tell it meant everything to Gerrard? If it did, wouldn't he still be playing now? body language, stuff he says, the pain on his face when England lose, the effort he puts in on the pitch Not a big fan of players announcing international retirement, but IMO he retired because he knows he isn't good enough any more and that England would be better off trying out younger players in his position. Why didn't he retire BEFORE the WC then ? Surely he hasn't just realised that. He'd have known that eight weeks ago too but selfishly he wanted to take the place of another youngster and go to the WC. I don't buy that one bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 10:22:41 GMT
body language, stuff he says, the pain on his face when England lose, the effort he puts in on the pitch Not a big fan of players announcing international retirement, but IMO he retired because he knows he isn't good enough any more and that England would be better off trying out younger players in his position. Why didn't he retire BEFORE the WC then ? Surely he hasn't just realised that. He'd have known that eight weeks ago too but selfishly he wanted to take the place of another youngster and go to the WC. I don't buy that one bit. I guess he didn't retire because he was captain of his country who were just about to go to the World Cup in Brazil, the stuff dreams are made of when you're a kid.
Taking the place of another youngster in the squad? Maybe, maybe not? Who cares.... You would have to have a word with yourself if you decided to retire just before a world cup. I don't begrudge him doing what anyone else would of done in his position.
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Post by amarillo on Jul 30, 2014 10:37:24 GMT
Why didn't he retire BEFORE the WC then ? Surely he hasn't just realised that. He'd have known that eight weeks ago too but selfishly he wanted to take the place of another youngster and go to the WC. I don't buy that one bit. In case you hadn't realised we aren't exactly blessed with talent and he was still worthy of a place in the team. He clearly wanted to give it one more shot, as grenoble rd says retiring just before a tournament is hardly the right time. After the tournament is a different matter, we're preparing for the next Euros and beyond when realistically he isn't necessarily going to still be worthy of a place. Generally I'd say you shouldn't retire from international duty, but as these retirements go, Gerrard got the timing right
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