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Post by pooleyellow on Apr 19, 2014 8:17:48 GMT
I thought the tactics yesterday were terrible. Ok so kitson is by far the most tactical player we have,but why do we have him strolling around in the defensive midfield position?obviously he is composed and good on the ball but it leaves beano so isolated up top. In my opinion he would be a lot more useful doing exactly the same but higher up the pitch giving us more of a threat up top,I can barely remember the keeper making a save.
Even at 75 mins,when we have an experienced premier league striker who played week in week out as a target man on our books,we chuck raynes up there.its absolutely ridiculous. We chucked everyone up top at the end but had no width and there was no urgency. Completely frustrating
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 19, 2014 8:58:02 GMT
Having seen what Kitson was doing yesterday, waving his arms about like a petulant little girl and going down extravagantly every time a York player got within 2 feet of him, I like to know what he was supposed to be doing.
The way he was playing he was literally a waste of space and left Constable totally isolated and O'Dowda and Williams short of 1 attacker to pass to.
Very poor.
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Post by woodstockyellow on Apr 19, 2014 9:13:23 GMT
It happened under wilder too ! It's not the tactics and what he is being asked to do. He does it himself to get into the game and try and make things happen ! I'm sure GW wanted him to stay right behind beano and try and play him in. But he always drops to deep !
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Post by KLYellow on Apr 19, 2014 9:17:43 GMT
But I will ask the question. I was following the match on here, twitter and BBC website and it said we had 57% of possession, 10 shots on goal (twice as many as York). So by that tells me we controlled the game and had a few chances, ie a good performance?
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Post by bonfireman on Apr 19, 2014 9:38:58 GMT
Yes hk. IMO we played fairly well against what looked a fairly average York side. I didn't go to Plymouth but ,compared to the fleetwood game, we pressed and passed better and had more desire and urgency. It is the side I would have selected. I assume whingy was fit as he was on the bench. Under cw he would have been a shoe in but in the anti football category along with Rigg,rose and smalley. The only slight criticism I would've had would be to leave Williams on and have him and Alfie running at what was a sluggish flat back four
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 9:48:28 GMT
But I will ask the question. I was following the match on here, twitter and BBC website and it said we had 57% of possession, 10 shots on goal (twice as many as York). So by that tells me we controlled the game and had a few chances, ie a good performance? I don't think either team controlled the game. It looked fairly even in terms of possession but, more importantly, there were few clear cut chances from either side. The ten "shots on goal" must have been liberally interpreted and must include those that went high and wide, including a diabolical miss by Raynes. Definitely not a good performance. It was tedious for long periods. Lots of possession lost and misplaced passes, too much hoofing, Kitson being a prima donna too often, Constable isolated up front, Connolly & Potter offering no threat when they came on. Good points? Williams looked a class apart (again), Newey made few mistakes, the East Stand did well considering the inspiration on show. From excellent at Plymouth to below average yesterday. Exasperating.
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Post by KLYellow on Apr 19, 2014 10:25:57 GMT
Apparently York looked average, but as someone pointed out yesterday they have only conceded something like 2 goals in 12 hours of football. Did York get it spot on, make us look average? If we hadn't conceded the penalty it would have been 0-0 which I feel they came for and would have been happy with.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 10:32:16 GMT
Apparently York looked average, but as someone pointed out yesterday they have only conceded something like 2 goals in 12 hours of football. Did York get it spot on, make us look average? If we hadn't conceded the penalty it would have been 0-0 which I feel they came for and would have been happy with. I was impressed that York clearly didn't come to defend. They had a go from the off, and we had our best spells first 20 minutes and just after they scored, but neither side were clinical enough up front. A 0-0 wouldn't have been a surprise, but we couldn't even manage a "nil".
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Post by KLYellow on Apr 19, 2014 12:30:41 GMT
Just watched the highlights and looks like we created some good chances. Doesn't look like a penalty to them, looks more of a penalty to us and can't see the handball by Constable. Looks like we were unlucky and with luck we could have won 3-0. Football's a cruel game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 14:15:53 GMT
Just watched the highlights and looks like we created some good chances. Doesn't look like a penalty to them, looks more of a penalty to us and can't see the handball by Constable. Looks like we were unlucky and with luck we could have won 3-0. Football's a cruel game. Well that's the problem when you're relying on a few seconds of highlights. We did have chances, but cocked them up. Not unlucky, just poor play. I thought it was a penalty to York and I got a clear view of Beano hand balling for the disallowed goal. We were a million miles from winning 3-0.
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Post by horseman on Apr 19, 2014 14:33:18 GMT
Beano never really had a "goal" disallowed, the whistle had clearly been blown whilst the defenders then stopped and the keeper wasn't even bothered, he (beano) then just kicked it towards the goal.
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Post by fishpaste on Apr 19, 2014 16:06:54 GMT
Beano never really had a "goal" disallowed, the whistle had clearly been blown whilst the defenders then stopped and the keeper wasn't even bothered, he (beano) then just kicked it towards the goal.That's encouraging.
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 19, 2014 16:17:54 GMT
Beano never really had a "goal" disallowed, the whistle had clearly been blown whilst the defenders then stopped and the keeper wasn't even bothered, he (beano) then just kicked it towards the goal.That's encouraging. Surprised u know what that word means?
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Post by fishpaste on Apr 19, 2014 17:07:53 GMT
Surprised u know what that word means? Believe me, we will be a better side when he has gone. That's encouraging.
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 19, 2014 17:21:02 GMT
Surprised u know what that word means? Believe me, we will be a better side when he has gone. That's encouraging. No that's opinion, encouraging is to encourage -giving confidence and support
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Post by pottersrightboot on Apr 19, 2014 17:44:55 GMT
I actually thought we did not play too badly against the best defence I've seen this season. York look like promotion candidates to me for that reason alone. 3 goals let in in 14 games, you what?
Difference was the full backs. Theirs were quick and teak tough. Ours were not. Unfortunately Hunt has become a liability.
The club need a dominating central midfielder so badly.
On the credit side at last some decent youngsters are coming through, I see 4 being regulars next season. O,D, Bevans, Ruffells and Long. And they will get better.
Kitson played well, he's light years ahead of the rest of the team, despite all the attendant baggage discussed on this thread.
I've not given up yet, we are a funny old team.
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Post by fishpaste on Apr 20, 2014 9:16:27 GMT
Believe me, we will be a better side when he has gone. That's encouraging. No that's opinion, encouraging is to encourage -giving confidence and support It can be used in a couple of contexts. Don't just take the first one in your google search.
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 20, 2014 9:21:32 GMT
No that's opinion, encouraging is to encourage -giving confidence and support It can be used in a couple of contexts. Don't just take the first one in your google search. Could say the same thing back. Try the other context once in a while rather than just Bloody moaning
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Post by uptheus on Apr 20, 2014 10:58:15 GMT
I actually thought we did not play too badly against the best defence I've seen this season. York look like promotion candidates to me for that reason alone. 3 goals let in in 14 games, you what? Difference was the full backs. Theirs were quick and teak tough. Ours were not. Unfortunately Hunt has become a liability. The club need a dominating central midfielder so badly. On the credit side at last some decent youngsters are coming through, I see 4 being regulars next season. O,D, Bevans, Ruffells and Long. And they will get better. Kitson played well, he's light years ahead of the rest of the team, despite all the attendant baggage discussed on this thread. I've not given up yet, we are a funny old team. Not sure they're they've got the best defence, but we did struggle to break them down once they'd scored. The pitch was a major factor yesterday as not only did it stop us from playing football, but it seemed to get in to the players heads as well as their enthusiasm/belief seemed to drain, and with that they got more frustrated as the game petered out. You could see in the last 10mins they were mentally gone which then descended in to them looking physically drained. It's as though the Plymouth result had given them (and the fans I suppose) that belief again, but again not being able to respond or find an answer fairly quickly after a sucker punch of a goal started that disbelief again. Just hope they can believe in themselves a few more times, but more importantly tomorrow. I feel if we lose tomorrow it's over for this season.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 20, 2014 13:02:24 GMT
Kitson played well, he's light years ahead of the rest of the team, despite all the attendant baggage discussed on this thread. I've not given up yet, we are a funny old team. Agree with most of your post, even that Kison is miles ahead. But doesn't it beg the question of why he spent so much time ambling about in midfield (e.g. at freekicks) when he could have been much more effective in support of Constable? I like a lot about the bloke, but he was quite inneffective.
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Post by greatunclekip on Apr 20, 2014 16:06:54 GMT
I have been very unimpressed with Waddock tactics so far, and Friday did nothing to change that.
It was almost unbelievable how deep Kitson was being asked to play, and the long balls for Beano to chase against one of the leagues biggest centre backs- shocking.
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 20, 2014 16:08:19 GMT
I have been very unimpressed with Waddock tactics so far, and Friday did nothing to change that. It was almost unbelievable how deep Kitson was being asked to play, and the long balls for Beano to chase against one of the leagues biggest centre backs- shocking. Is he being asked to play there though. I see him as starting higher and then dropping deeper as he gets frustrated/tired.
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Post by backonthecoupon on Apr 20, 2014 16:54:40 GMT
Should have been a game that finished 0-0. Our inability to consistently create chances cost us again.
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Post by tank on Apr 20, 2014 17:17:32 GMT
If we are to play with one true forward, then it needs to be someone who can trap a ball and then lay it off - unfortunately Beano is often unable to do this, and the ball seems to just bounce off him and we lose possession.
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 20, 2014 17:22:11 GMT
That's why most play with 2 at this level. Very rare u will find a striker good enough to play up on his own. People like akinfenwa can do the hold up and areial but need someone to lay it off too. People like tubbs and alf need a stronger player to feed them and take some defenders off them
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Post by uptheus on Apr 20, 2014 20:35:49 GMT
I have been very unimpressed with Waddock tactics so far, and Friday did nothing to change that. It was almost unbelievable how deep Kitson was being asked to play, and the long balls for Beano to chase against one of the leagues biggest centre backs- shocking. Is he being asked to play there though. I see him as starting higher and then dropping deeper as he gets frustrated/tired. I get the impression Kitson plays where he wants.
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Post by roley on Apr 22, 2014 7:10:33 GMT
Use Kitson as a target man your having a laugh right? He's so lazy most of the time he won't jump for a header.
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