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Post by nick68 on Nov 10, 2012 18:20:10 GMT
Poor result today but decent performance in the wake of Tuesday, no complaints today apart from not scoring from at least one of our many chances. If I'm being harsh maybe some of our crosses could and should have been better!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 18:23:05 GMT
Not bad, Torquay are terrible - we needed to play better than Tuesday and did that - confident of a win at Chesterfield.
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Post by tomox on Nov 10, 2012 18:23:41 GMT
Did you actually watch Leven just stroll around the centre circle with his hands on his hips all game? Is that the only thing you can pick up on? What about the brilliant sliding challenge near the end!! He's not in the team for that anyway, that's Cox's job!! One sliding tackle. That's it. The two home games just gone have completely bypassed him. He looks slow, sloppy and generally unfit. Which begs the question, why not start or at least bring on JFC?! The whole team apart from Rigg looked so slow! Starting Heslop and Whing made our right hand side the slowest ever in existence.
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Post by uptheus on Nov 10, 2012 18:24:15 GMT
Did you actually watch Leven just stroll around the centre circle with his hands on his hips all game? Is that the only thing you can pick up on? What about the brilliant sliding challenge near the end!! He's not in the team for that anyway, that's Cox's job!! No matter how you put it mate, Leven's not firing on all cylinders at the moment. Don't understand why Wilder keeps persisting with him. For me he would be more effective coming on with 20-25mins left until he gets fitter. Also didn't understand why Chapman didn't come on for Leven as it would have made more sense. Thought the performance 2nd half today was much better, and overall we deserved the win. Obviously the result was disappointing. I know I'm going to get slated for this comment as Heslop was today's scapegoat, but I actually thought he did an ok job today, especially as it's not his natural position. Put it this way, he did better than Chapman. Queue comments!! Thought the movement off the ball was better today, and players also seemed more keen to want the ball to. Still find if frustrating why Clarkie doesn't pass it to his defenders, but chooses to hit a 50 yard ball to one isolated player up front hoping that he'll somehow retain the ball. Clarkie, please just play it simple when you can which is probably 8 times out of 10!! Last comment, still don't think Wilder's the guy to take us forward, and the whole place needs a freshening up.
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Post by uptheus on Nov 10, 2012 18:26:03 GMT
Poor result today but decent performance in the wake of Tuesday, no complaints today apart from not scoring from at least one of our many chances. If I'm being harsh maybe some of our crosses could and should have been better! Agree about the crosses. It's a shame that the player crossing doesn't just give a quick look to see what's in the box, but then again this is League 2!!
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Post by uptheus on Nov 10, 2012 18:27:04 GMT
Oh well, a draw is better than nought and it sounds as if it was better than Tuesday. And looks like we've climbed 1 place in the table. You sound like a certain Mr Rhodes Brown!! Not quite, he didn't mention about taking the positives out of it!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 18:28:42 GMT
It was definitely a better display - but way below par if you equate it to promotional ability, and one point out of six from the last two home matches are not good enough.
I think the players stepped up their desire today and I am now more convinced than ever that if we had a manager of some better ability, we would have a good chance of getting to the play-offs even with the players we already have. The team need direction and motivation and that is just for starters.
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Post by uptheus on Nov 10, 2012 18:31:39 GMT
It was definitely a better display - but way below par if you equate it to promotional ability, and one point out of six from the last two home matches are not good enough. I think the players stepped up their desire today and I am now more convinced than ever that if we had a manager of some better ability, we would have a good chance of getting to the play-offs even with the players we already have. The team need direction and motivation and that is just for starters. Agree with you.
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Post by yellowshark on Nov 10, 2012 18:52:00 GMT
Anyone else hear that American bloke phone in, what a load of shit he was talking haha Yeah, I thought he was OK. A bit naive perhaps, but good on him for sticking his head over the parapet and making his point in a calm and reasonable manner. It's also rather nice that he's made an effort to take an interest in the local club - if you were in the U.S.for a couple of months would you be bothered about the progress of a lower league baseball team ? I'm sure I wouldn't. YS
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 10, 2012 19:12:39 GMT
I thought the American bloke hit on a couple of touchy subjects around the fans negativity and the affects thereof. Sometimes the truth hurts. He didn't need to call so fair play for putting your neck out.
Those boos were unjustified today. Dagenham, no complaints whatsoever with any booing - fully justified if you really have to. The loony near me was going ape today, but he's so negative all the time you can't use him as a guage for anything other than adding to the coronary victims in Oxfordshire with his prematch meals and red face.
Beano should have scored, same as Pittman. But it was a performance that if we had won people would be happy with. Rayne's should not start over Mulllin who is a far superior player. Davis did well considering his lack of minutes.
Leven was in and out of the game, but Cox was really on it today. Very impressed. If Beano hadn't of taken a dive earlier, we'd have had a penalty. But as he did, the Ref thought he went down again. TC on with those chances and we'd have scored.
Take the positives in life.
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Post by carefreeoufc on Nov 10, 2012 19:15:54 GMT
First half - sh1t, second half - better. Thought Pittman looked threatening (why was Craddock subbed I missed that) I hope Craddock was off for an injury as regardless of effort etc he has a habit of scoring at the moment.
Thought Clarke looked nervous a few times and Wright actually told him to calm down. Saying that with Raynes in front of him on Tuesday a few nerves were understandable. Big fan of Whing and he put some decent challenges in but thought his distribution was poor.
Now for the negatives;
Wilder in charge we will continue our continued inconsistency. Win a couple, lose, draw one, win a couple, lose, lose, draw, win, lose etc. I would be pleased with mid table at this rate.
Bar Rigg who is contracted our better players are loanees (Cox, JFC, Mullins).
We don't have a player to cover Potter on the right in Heslop or Chapman (I did think heslop was better than he has been).
Our attendance is roughly 1500 less a week or £22,500 a home game less (average of £15 per person) which is over £500,000 a year down.
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Post by blox21 on Nov 10, 2012 19:30:05 GMT
Could people just forget about promotion this season, it's not going to happen. We will finish mid table! More importantly is the fa cup match at accrington, NOW this is important to the future of our club! Make some money and invest in next seasons campaign !
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Post by gottagetbetta on Nov 10, 2012 19:34:21 GMT
Craddock was suffering with his ribs again and looked in considerable pain. It was a more committed performance than on Tuesday night. It was difficult to escape the conclusion that had Mullins played on Tuesday night we would not have shipped to the Daggers. We miss Potter,Heslop ain't no substitute and Leven is a shadow of his former self. Our forwards couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo. I have already written this season off and will be content if we do just enough to avoid being sucked into a relegation dog fight. Anyone having play off of promotion aspirations with this squad is clearly self delusional!
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Post by mekong on Nov 10, 2012 19:47:23 GMT
Cannot understand why some people cannot imagine us pushing for promotion. We made Torquay look very average today. And the team that beat us Tuesday just put 5 past Rotherham. If we can steer clear of injuries and in particular retain the services of the magical Mr Potter I think we could easily go on a run. We are not that far adrift. The yank was right - far too much negative sentiment. Enjoyed the game - we played well - looking forward to more of the same (with goals).
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Post by carefreeoufc on Nov 10, 2012 19:53:06 GMT
Cannot understand why some people cannot imagine us pushing for promotion. We made Torquay look very average today. And the team that beat us Tuesday just put 5 past Rotherham. If we can steer clear of injuries and in particular retain the services of the magical Mr Potter I think we could easily go on a run. We are not that far adrift. The yank was right - far too much negative sentiment. Enjoyed the game - we played well - looking forward to more of the same (with goals). Am I right in thinking this great Torquay side have only won once away from home all season? As for the 5 against Rotherham, we put 5 away past an Accrington team who had done a great job against other teams earlier in the season. Lets keep making excuses for wilder as I'm looking forward to Eastbourne away, I have a free away day as long as its a Saturday.
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Post by cruz on Nov 10, 2012 21:20:07 GMT
positives from today.. Mullins & Cox as nailed-on starting XI material, Davis doing pretty well on his first 90 minute stint back after injury;& Pittman as a potential starter in our first-choice front-line (thought he did better in the air against Saah than anyone..he has a good spring on him).
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Post by whathesaid on Nov 10, 2012 21:32:53 GMT
Cannot understand why some people cannot imagine us pushing for promotion. We made Torquay look very average today. And the team that beat us Tuesday just put 5 past Rotherham. If we can steer clear of injuries and in particular retain the services of the magical Mr Potter I think we could easily go on a run. We are not that far adrift. The yank was right - far too much negative sentiment. Enjoyed the game - we played well - looking forward to more of the same (with goals). Am I right in thinking this great Torquay side have only won once away from home all season? As for the 5 against Rotherham, we put 5 away past an Accrington team who had done a great job against other teams earlier in the season. Lets keep making excuses for wilder as I'm looking forward to Eastbourne away, I have a free away day as long as its a Saturday. I will bet you any money that we won't get relegated. That second half showed what we could do - we tore them apart at times. I really enjoyed it. Our inconsistency = mid table, not relegation. On what basis are we going to get relegated? Lots of melodrama here. Shame that there are a lot of people who can't take each game on it's own merits, and actually give some credit when it's due - not just dishing out anger. The players and manager deserve stick when they play crap. They weren't crap at all today. We were a better team, and even Torquay's manager can see that. Have a pint and relax a little.
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Post by carefreeoufc on Nov 10, 2012 22:04:13 GMT
Our inconsistency = mid table - only if teams below us don't buck things up.
Tore them apart at times = so much so we didn't score and looked highly unlikely in the first half.
Second half showed what we can do = put a team under pressure and not score
Each game on their own merits = we beat Accrington by 5 look out Barca
Correct - both players and manager deserve stick when they barely turn up.
1 point from 6 at home this week, probably 1 in 9 after Chesterfield maybe not relegated but I will be happy with my prediction of 14th at the start of the season.
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Post by londonroader on Nov 10, 2012 22:33:00 GMT
Am I right in thinking this great Torquay side have only won once away from home all season? As for the 5 against Rotherham, we put 5 away past an Accrington team who had done a great job against other teams earlier in the season. Lets keep making excuses for wilder as I'm looking forward to Eastbourne away, I have a free away day as long as its a Saturday. I will bet you any money that we won't get relegated.That second half showed what we could do - we tore them apart at times. I really enjoyed it. Our inconsistency = mid table, not relegation. On what basis are we going to get relegated? Lots of melodrama here. Shame that there are a lot of people who can't take each game on it's own merits, and actually give some credit when it's due - not just dishing out anger. The players and manager deserve stick when they play crap. They weren't crap at all today. We were a better team, and even Torquay's manager can see that. Have a pint and relax a little. What odds?
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Post by mojofilter on Nov 10, 2012 22:42:13 GMT
Our inconsistency = mid table - only if teams below us don't buck things up. this is league 2, a lot of the teams don't have the mettle to buck things up. as long as we don't sell everyone worth keeping we'll be a top half of the table team
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Post by whathesaid on Nov 10, 2012 22:48:12 GMT
I will bet you any money that we won't get relegated.That second half showed what we could do - we tore them apart at times. I really enjoyed it. Our inconsistency = mid table, not relegation. On what basis are we going to get relegated? Lots of melodrama here. Shame that there are a lot of people who can't take each game on it's own merits, and actually give some credit when it's due - not just dishing out anger. The players and manager deserve stick when they play crap. They weren't crap at all today. We were a better team, and even Torquay's manager can see that. Have a pint and relax a little. What odds? What will you give me that we will? Go on. Have a beer.
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Post by mekong on Nov 11, 2012 10:55:59 GMT
If you look at the above posts there are some who simply cannot steer clear of having a pop at CW on the matchday thread following an entertaining game where we should have won. The thread is about the game FFS. Its unbelievably tedious. If you read Carefrees posts with the voice of Eeyore from Winnie The Pooh they make more sense. There is a management section on here.....
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Post by londonroader on Nov 11, 2012 21:48:52 GMT
What will you give me that we will? Go on. Have a beer. Not the sound of a confident man, from any amount of money to a beer. I would expect us to stay up. I'm not 100% confident we will though, in the past when the wheels have come off CW didn't have enough about him to stop the rot.
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Post by londonroader on Nov 11, 2012 21:50:05 GMT
If you look at the above posts there are some who simply cannot steer clear of having a pop at CW on the matchday thread following an entertaining game where we should have won. The thread is about the game FFS. Its unbelievably tedious. If you read Carefrees posts with the voice of Eeyore from Winnie The Pooh they make more sense. There is a management section on here..... But CW might read them on here quicker.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 21:53:57 GMT
If you look at the above posts there are some who simply cannot steer clear of having a pop at CW on the matchday thread following an entertaining game where we should have won. The thread is about the game FFS. Its unbelievably tedious. If you read Carefrees posts with the voice of Eeyore from Winnie The Pooh they make more sense. There is a management section on here..... I just read your post in the voice of a whiney little girl ....
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Post by whathesaid on Nov 11, 2012 22:35:28 GMT
What will you give me that we will? Go on. Have a beer. Not the sound of a confident man, from any amount of money to a beer. I would expect us to stay up. I'm not 100% confident we will though, in the past when the wheels have come off CW didn't have enough about him to stop the rot. Sorry, not at all. You misinterpreted my second line. It referred to the need to relax a little. Take a break. Chill your boots. I am 100% confident in staying up.
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Post by whathesaid on Nov 11, 2012 22:37:37 GMT
PS. Don't interpret that as a backing of CW, or that I think we're going to go on a storming run or anything.
Just that as a team, when we're firing we can beat anyone - we just aren't consistant, but we will easily get enough points to avoid the drop. This is a far better team than the one we had when we dropped to the conference.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Nov 12, 2012 12:20:56 GMT
This is a far better team than the one we had when we dropped to the conference. It is, I agree. But come January, Cox, Mullins and JFC's loans expire. And with the low crowds, we might not be in a financial position to extend them. And what are the odds on someone making a bid for the only striker we have who is scoring goals? Or our goalkeeper? Both would probably be decent in L1 and would be cheap enough for a struggling team to take a punt on. And then the team playing the second half of the season would look very different from the one we can put out now...
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Post by londonroader on Nov 12, 2012 19:48:00 GMT
This is a far better team than the one we had when we dropped to the conference. It is, I agree. But come January, Cox, Mullins and JFC's loans expire. And with the low crowds, we might not be in a financial position to extend them. And what are the odds on someone making a bid for the only striker we have who is scoring goals? Or our goalkeeper? Both would probably be decent in L1 and would be cheap enough for a struggling team to take a punt on. And then the team playing the second half of the season would look very different from the one we can put out now... What if we lose players that want out as well. This is going to be one bumpy ride.
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Nov 12, 2012 19:54:19 GMT
It is, I agree. But come January, Cox, Mullins and JFC's loans expire. And with the low crowds, we might not be in a financial position to extend them. And what are the odds on someone making a bid for the only striker we have who is scoring goals? Or our goalkeeper? Both would probably be decent in L1 and would be cheap enough for a struggling team to take a punt on. And then the team playing the second half of the season would look very different from the one we can put out now... What if we lose players that want out as well. Care to name names or is it a case of more smoke and mirrors from your end?!
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