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Post by loveandpride on Aug 3, 2012 8:57:04 GMT
Look at Scales of Justice on the Oxford Mail website. Scum get away with robbing, shoplifting, beating, drug dealing ,paedos, drink drivers , all for a community order and tiny fine. The punishment Tank has got is completely disproportionate for a smoke pellet which wasn't even let off. when do paedophiles get away with fines and community orders? or is 'paedos' just one of those things that gets thrown into any daily-mail-induced rant like this, usually about how things aren't as good these days or how political correctness is no longer sane. To extend the newspaper comparisons if i may, you sound like a Gaurdian writer, sitting back commenting on other's reactions in a rather smug and aloof way while avoiding voicing your own view of the situation. What is your view, do you think pedophiles are sentenced fairly and what do you think about a man been given a custodial sentence for carrying a smoke bomb?
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Post by mojofilter on Aug 3, 2012 9:08:46 GMT
when do paedophiles get away with fines and community orders? or is 'paedos' just one of those things that gets thrown into any daily-mail-induced rant like this, usually about how things aren't as good these days or how political correctness is no longer sane. To extend the newspaper comparisons if i may, you sound like a Gaurdian writer, sitting back commenting on other's reactions in a rather smug and aloof way while avoiding voicing your own view of the situation. What is your view, do you think pedophiles are sentenced fairly and what do you think about a man been given a custodial sentence for carrying a smoke bomb? I think the guardian is one of the worst dailies out there, so find that a fairly unwelcome comparison. my opinion on prisons could take a while, as i think no one real gets sentences fairly because prison doesn't work. for what it's worth, I don't know how much time the average paedophile gets sent away for (i do know the man i responded to was talking rubbish, however, and they don't just get slaps on the wrists). I imagine it's around the ten to twelve years mark (with rape cases having an average of 8) and that seems like a pretty deep punishment for a human to go through, especially considering how paedophiles are routinely attacked in prisons. as for this guy, bringing a smoke bomb into a match- It's been in the rules for some time "no smoke bombs". they are a bit of a health risk (people with breathing difficulties have commented in this and the other post saying just that) and i don't know if he's had any previous which are an extenuating factor but i'd say the judge has been pretty harsh but fair. any other questions or character assessments?
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Post by Mark on Aug 3, 2012 9:38:45 GMT
www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/oxford/2443229.School_paedo_walks_free_from_court/A school social worker who fantasised about pupils and downloaded child porn walked free from court yesterday. --------------------------------------- and from this week's scales of justice XXXXXXXXXXX, 18, of XXXXXXXXXXXXXX, Radley, admitted assault by beating in Abingdon on April 1. Given a year’s supervision and told to attend the ‘managing alcohol-related aggression’ activity for 11 days. Told to pay £35 compensation.
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Post by mojofilter on Aug 3, 2012 9:43:24 GMT
www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/oxford/2443229.School_paedo_walks_free_from_court/A school social worker who fantasised about pupils and downloaded child porn walked free from court yesterday. --------------------------------------- and from this week's scales of justice XXXXXXXXXXX, 18, of XXXXXXXXXXXXXX, Radley, admitted assault by beating in Abingdon on April 1. Given a year’s supervision and told to attend the ‘managing alcohol-related aggression’ activity for 11 days. Told to pay £35 compensation. When you said paedophiles I assumed you were talking about a child rapist. also, that second story of 'some kid gets p*ssed and has a fight'- that kind of thing happens all the time and it'd be daft to send everyone down who got into a drunken brawl
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Post by roley on Aug 3, 2012 10:09:21 GMT
Didn't TVP get hold of a smoke bomb last season, examined it and found it to be non lethal? Yeah mate. Also he's in Exeter Prison.
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Post by John Lennon on Aug 3, 2012 11:40:39 GMT
Didn't TVP get hold of a smoke bomb last season, examined it and found it to be non lethal? Yeah mate. Also he's in Exeter Prison. Tell your brother that I'm thinking of him, along with a lot of other people I'm sure. I'm still fuming that one of our own is serving a prison sentence because a District Judge is to clueless to understand what a smoke bomb really is. It's not a grenade you stuck up ponse
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Post by Boogaloo on Aug 3, 2012 12:46:02 GMT
Absolutely disgraceful from the judge. Unfortunately there are a few stuck up judges up and down the country who look down their noses at football fans and try to make a bit of a name for themselves. What they don't realise is that the people they are sending down are ones who made a silly, and more to the point, minor mistake.
Good luck with the appeal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2012 12:54:56 GMT
Not sure I believe that individual judges send people down because they are "stuck up" and don't like football fans. I have more faith in our justice system than that.
Seems to me the problem is that smoke bombs are wrongly classified alongside much more dangerous things.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2012 12:58:59 GMT
Yes, smacks of judge hearing "football fan" in the same breath as "weapon" and drawing an unfortunate conclusion. If the report of the judge criticising the defending solicitor for daring to, errr, defend is correct, that is so worrying.
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Post by Lithuanian Disco Power on Aug 3, 2012 14:34:53 GMT
Dont understand how anyone can be happy their own fan has been sentenced for such a trivial offence. It's such a worrying and scary insight into how football fans are treated as well.
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Post by malcolmnl on Aug 3, 2012 14:57:33 GMT
Don't think anybodyś "happy",but he did do it. Itś the punishment that most people find excessive, and you can count me in that group. A short ban would have been enough, maybe with some community work. Jail is way over the top.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2012 15:32:36 GMT
Its got nothing to do with whether he is our own fan. If one of our fans commited an offence worthy of jail I would have no hesitation in approving of it.
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Post by Mark on Aug 3, 2012 16:00:24 GMT
When you said paedophiles I assumed you were talking about a child rapist. also, that second story of 'some kid gets p*ssed and has a fight'- that kind of thing happens all the time and it'd be daft to send everyone down who got into a drunken brawl XXXXXXXXXX, 20, of XXXXXXXXXXXX, admitted drink- driving in Preston Road, Abingdon, on July 1. Had 94 micrograms of alcohol in 100ml of breath, above the legal limit of 35 micrograms. Fined £200, a £15 victims’ surcharge and £85 costs. Banned from driving for two years. ------------------ Nearly three times over the drink drive limit. Which do you think has more potential to cause harm to other people? a smoke bomb, a drink driver, someone out fighting? This should have been a fine and at most suspended sentence or community service. No-one was hurt, no violence or hooliganism was involved. As for the length of ban, I am fairly sure any football related conviction is automatically three years minimum.
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Post by ounykee14 on Aug 3, 2012 16:41:11 GMT
Did he defend himself (just out of interest)? One of the things I'd say could be very useful in the appeal is to accentuate the difference between a smoke bomb and a smoke grenade. I've seen it reported in many places as a "grenade" or a "smoke grenade" which is very different to a smoke bomb.
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Post by upthemanor43 on Aug 3, 2012 19:07:55 GMT
This is sad news! BUT does nobody get it now,anything to do with football,does not matter in the ground,near by or even a pub close by....and you are caught doing, or looking like doing anything against the law,you are in serious ****,and this yet again proves,the case! It does not matter,that this happened or this happened,with anything else,or this happened in the 80s,or you did,this and got away with it,as may be bigger things,where going off at the time!! People have been warned time and time again,about such things,and may be their as been a few cases of OUFC fans,doing this in the past did not help? The police,have such power,over football now!And I would guess they are even,keeping checks on this post!? Its game over!
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Post by malcolmnl on Aug 3, 2012 19:33:40 GMT
All true utm, especially that last bit!
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Post by onlyme on Aug 3, 2012 22:53:16 GMT
It was a pretty stupid thing to do but in the greater scheme of things merits no more than a slap on the wrist imho. On this basis I reckon about 50% of the population should have been put in jail for the stuff they've done.
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Post by londonroader on Aug 3, 2012 23:10:35 GMT
Didn't TVP get hold of a smoke bomb last season, examined it and found it to be non lethal? Yeah mate. Also he's in Exeter Prison. This is a disgraceful sentence, a suspended sentence would have still made the deterrent factor. Roley, did you not say last season or maybe the season before KT talked to you personally about smoke bombs, I don't mean to sound harsh but you had been warned.
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Post by oxfordkne on Aug 3, 2012 23:56:27 GMT
I realise it is going off topic but I actually think prison does work - for the majority of people however there are always those for whom we offer a revolving door policy and welcome back on a regular basis. They are the real problem. As for pedophiles et al, you have to remember that not every sex offender is a pedophile and thankfully the actual total of child sex offenders is quite small compared with "main stream" prisoners. Sex offenders are also routinely segregated from main prisoners to avoid fights although some prisons are integrated.
There is a set of sentencing guidelines which judges have to adhere to but there is no average as each case is different I speak from 6 years experience working as a prison officer on a sex offenders wing before anyone doubts my "qualifications"
As for the person given 2 months for possession of a smoke bomb/grenade (call it what you like) there would be a scale of punishment from smack on the wrist to perhaps 6 months jail and a banning order with everything in between such as fine, community order, asbo etc etc for this offence. Right or wrong the judge residing has taken this particular course of action.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Aug 4, 2012 0:10:18 GMT
Obviously I'd like to add that the prison term is a total joke and if there is any justice it will be overturned on appeal but does anyone know what the actual offence was listed as? It must be something serious enough to warrant a prison term since in most football related cases the courts seem to be happy with draconian bans, fines and community orders.
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Post by superox on Aug 4, 2012 9:48:25 GMT
Should never warrant a custodial sentence.
However I remember Roley being in a gang stood behind me letting off a smoke "bomb" in that shallow away terrace at Histon on a hot day in August 2009. I was nearly coughing up blood and felt bloody ill for the duration of the game.
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Post by hairy on Aug 4, 2012 12:46:35 GMT
You certain he didnt just fart?
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Post by roley on Aug 4, 2012 17:18:24 GMT
You certain he didnt just fart? They do smell abit eggy
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Post by roley on Aug 4, 2012 17:20:28 GMT
Received a letter from my brother today. He's set to hear about his appeal in the few days. There trying to get him bail. If fails to win an appeal he has a release date of 31st August. I'm going to visit him one day this week.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 13:54:52 GMT
Ben ainsley just let one off at the Olympics after winning gold. 2 Months prison sentence and a ban from sailing for 6 years please.
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Post by onlyme on Aug 5, 2012 13:58:26 GMT
"This week there are 86,745 men, women and children in prisons and young offender institutions in England and Wales.
The prison population has risen at a rate of 1.4% over the past 12 months. There are 1,222 more people in prison than a year ago."
No wonder if ludicrous sentences like this are being dished out.
And what is the cost to the tax payer?
Back in 2010 Justice Secretary Ken Clarke suggested millions could be saved from the £2.2billion prisons budget by jailing fewer offenders and slashing sentences
But hey, this was a football fan and the word "bomb" was mentioned. A smoke bomb is nothing more than a smoke "dispenser."
I wonder a) did the judge realise this. If not it is worrying but then again I recall a judge who had never heard of Gazza at the height of PG's fame. & b) if he did why he thought the need for such a ridiculously harsh sentence that I bet no one living in the real world remotely thinks is justifiable. But as has been said - it was football related and there is a prejudice when it boils down to it.
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Post by onlyme on Aug 5, 2012 14:00:43 GMT
But I will repeat it was a pretty stupid thing to do and a fine of a couple of hundred quid would have been justifiable imho. Banning order - if any, 1 yr max.
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Post by ounykee14 on Aug 5, 2012 16:21:40 GMT
Ben ainsley just let one off at the Olympics after winning gold. 2 Months prison sentence and a ban from sailing for 6 years please. I'm not sure Ainsley's boat will fit in the stands, so I'd imagine it will be slightly different.
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Post by cowleyox on Aug 8, 2012 13:01:20 GMT
We all know that the punishments for football related offences have long since departed from any kind of coherent or sensible pattern. In the 80s we used to have collections for fans wrongly or harshly treated by the OB to help them with legal costs/fines etc. Maybe we should do the same here. What he did was silly but the punishment is out of proportion to the crime.
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Post by roley on Aug 14, 2012 10:27:31 GMT
Little update. My brother is getting transfered to Gloucester prison this week. He is doing well and thanks everyone for their support.
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