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Post by paulayres on Jan 25, 2012 18:49:53 GMT
One concern that seems to have been overlooked is the amount of Swindon fans who decide to travel who do not have tickets. What are TVP going to implement to ensure that safety of the public and security of the cars in the car parks. With the open end supporters will have access to view and if not policed properly, gain height advantage by standing on anything that is easily available. Cars would be a prime target. Now in addition what cost will be incurred by the club to cover the extra policing??? Like it or not the cost of not having a 4th stand could prove to be more expensive to the club.
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Post by bensherman1966 on Jan 25, 2012 19:01:08 GMT
This traffic flow and parking issue is a bit of a worry whats gonna happen if and when we climb the leagues and sell out most weeks
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Post by mazarronox (banned) on Jan 25, 2012 19:13:22 GMT
Commercially a very short sighted decision by the club, revenue would have helped with team rebuilding come the summer. Take a look at the website. Fine, but still a shame, to have a fourth stand, the atmosphere would have been electric.
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Post by londonroader on Jan 25, 2012 19:15:58 GMT
I'm 'Eric-esque' in my hatred for them but I actually think it is wrong to have not given them a normal allocation. If the tables were turned then I'd be incandescent with rage. I know many will say they can swing for it etc etc etc but I still put myself in their shoes and I know I'd be gutted. Agree. If we only get 1,200 at their place next time, and I don't get one, id be fuming, but we would only have ourselves to blame. Next time we play them, i think they would have forgotten long before that.
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Post by destinycalling on Jan 25, 2012 19:19:11 GMT
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Post by londonroader on Jan 25, 2012 19:24:41 GMT
Massively disappointed by this. I feel the club have bottled it. So we would have "lost" £5 per head on the 4th stand, well thats about £8,000 or £9,000 I reckon. We WOULD have sold out the rest of the North Stand.......with ease. Look at how quickly we sold the other 10,300 tickets. The waiting list thing is a red herring I feel, as has been mentioned above. The amount of people who are prepared to put their name on a waiting list is nothing compared to the number that would buy a product, if it were available. I think certain people at the club STILL underestimate how big this rivalry is. Oh, and I couldn't give a toss how upset the scum fans are, it's the disappointed Oxford fans that I'm most concerned for. Are you really suprised they didn't go for putting this stand up, this decision has been on the wall for a long time, because ANY good news is shouted from the roof tops ready for the back slapping, but they have left this decision so late in the day to make it happen. I don't think the club have the drive or initiative to do these things that are outside the box, is this another consequence of Bridles departure as the go to people.
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Post by Colin B on Jan 25, 2012 20:47:59 GMT
Massively disappointed by this. I feel the club have bottled it. So we would have "lost" £5 per head on the 4th stand, well thats about £8,000 or £9,000 I reckon. We WOULD have sold out the rest of the North Stand.......with ease. Look at how quickly we sold the other 10,300 tickets. The waiting list thing is a red herring I feel, as has been mentioned above. The amount of people who are prepared to put their name on a waiting list is nothing compared to the number that would buy a product, if it were available. I think certain people at the club STILL underestimate how big this rivalry is. Oh, and I couldn't give a toss how upset the scum fans are, it's the disappointed Oxford fans that I'm most concerned for. Are you really suprised they didn't go for putting this stand up, this decision has been on the wall for a long time, because ANY good news is shouted from the roof tops ready for the back slapping, but they have left this decision so late in the day to make it happen. I don't think the club have the drive or initiative to do these things that are outside the box, is this another consequence of Bridles departure as the go to people. Spot on mate. No, I'm not surprised at all, but still disappointed. I think the reduction of Bridle's input has had a direct effect on the clubs willingness and/or ability to go for the 4th stand........as you know.
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Post by behindthegoal on Jan 25, 2012 21:03:07 GMT
This traffic flow and parking issue is a bit of a worry whats gonna happen if and when we climb the leagues and sell out most weeks Exactly, our stadium is in a crap location extra roads would have to be thought out if we ever start to think about the fourth side. Would have been much better located where the water eaton park and ride is, road infracstucture is far superior
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Post by bicesterox on Jan 25, 2012 22:10:06 GMT
I dont think Swindon would reduce our allocation by much, if at all, next time we go there.
Ever heard of cutting off your nose to spite your face? Thats exactly what they would be doing and they need the fans [home & away] money as much as any other club does.
As for parking etc on the 3rd I think I'll get a bus in from Bicester, it'll be quicker getting out and I'll be able to have a celebratory beer or 6 when we win!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2012 22:11:50 GMT
Why would they Reduce our allocation if they couldn't sell out the amount they had?
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Post by DodgeCitySkin on Jan 25, 2012 22:16:51 GMT
I was originally down to work so didnt get a ticket,then wangled the time off in hope off a temp stand and the hope of a ticket..
Cottonsocks better get radio Oxford on as looks like a session in the Priory is the next best thing?
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Post by alessandro on Jan 25, 2012 22:25:00 GMT
I know plenty who would have purchased that werent on the list but ultimately theyre a sensible bunch and would have sat down with all the figures, thought of all connotations and decided no. We have to trust them a little as we dont get that privilege. The marketing and ticketing team have never been as clued up and on top of the stats as the current lot so they clearly know more than us.
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Post by scoob on Jan 25, 2012 23:12:49 GMT
I dont think Swindon would reduce our allocation by much, if at all, next time we go there. Ever heard of cutting off your nose to spite your face? Thats exactly what they would be doing and they need the fans [home & away] money as much as any other club does. Exactly. Assuming they do not expect to sell out to home fans then they will give us as much space as they can so they get as much revenue as possible. They know that the decision was made on commercial grounds and they have been given 10% of our capacity.
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Post by Yellowbrains on Jan 26, 2012 0:17:57 GMT
Slightly disappointed that we haven't gone for the temporary stand, but I take solace in the fact that it's p*ssed the scummers off massively! ;D
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Post by Si Bradbury on Jan 26, 2012 10:04:28 GMT
I just hope they don't return the favour next time we meet at the CG. It's all a long way away but I can just see the uproar now and it would be understandable too. I too know half a dozen sensible people who want tickets but felt it pointless to register on the clubs overflow data capture sheets. When you assume, you can make an Ass out of U and me! Let alone people who just decided paying for a ticket six months in advance doesn't suit their personal cashflow needs I am very disappointed with the news.
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Post by alessandro on Jan 26, 2012 10:24:14 GMT
This is a great read and totally vindicates not building the extra stand. Not only have they been set up a treat with the Beano lair last week, now they've been even more riled by the lack of ticketing. But of course commercailly they can't argue with the fact that we looked after our fans first, gave them permitted league rule allocation, and prevented them getting in our end like we did at theirs. thetownend.com/index.php/topic,46329.0.html They also get confused, at one moment saying its our cup final, the next saying they're all going to camp overnight and they'd have bought 5000. So sweet. But even better than that, they call us tinpot, when of course, we have sold more home fans tickets than they did. It's awkward when your facts don't stack up, or not everyone is on the same page! :-)
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Post by scoob on Jan 26, 2012 10:27:57 GMT
I too know half a dozen sensible people who want tickets but felt it pointless to register on the clubs overflow data capture sheets. When you assume, you can make an Ass out of U and me! The club has been saying for a long time that part of the decision would be based on the waiting list so if people really were that interested why could they not be bothered to make a five minute phone call. If the club had to sell 2,000 tickets to make this viable then having a list of 10% of that amount is bound to suggest insufficient interest. I am disappointed but this suggests that apathy on the part of our fans is partly to blame.
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Post by scoob on Jan 26, 2012 10:37:06 GMT
This is a great read and totally vindicates not building the extra stand. Not only have they been set up a treat with the Beano lair last week, now they've been even more riled by the lack of ticketing. But of course commercailly they can't argue with the fact that we looked after our fans first, gave them permitted league rule allocation, and prevented them getting in our end like we did at theirs. thetownend.com/index.php/topic,46329.0.html They also get confused, at one moment saying its our cup final, the next saying they're all going to camp overnight and they'd have bought 5000. So sweet. But even better than that, they call us tinpot, when of course, we have sold more home fans tickets than they did. It's awkward when your facts don't stack up, or not everyone is on the same page! :-) It is amusing that they don't like the fact that we have given DiCanio more than £20k extra to strength his team compared to what Wilder will receive from them.
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Post by surbitonyellow on Jan 26, 2012 10:54:37 GMT
I too know half a dozen sensible people who want tickets but felt it pointless to register on the clubs overflow data capture sheets. When you assume, you can make an Ass out of U and me! The club has been saying for a long time that part of the decision would be based on the waiting list so if people really were that interested why could they not be bothered to make a five minute phone call. If the club had to sell 2,000 tickets to make this viable then having a list of 10% of that amount is bound to suggest insufficient interest. I am disappointed but this suggests that apathy on the part of our fans is partly to blame. It was always unrealistic to expect many supporters to register on the database for such a game. There is no prior history of OUFC running such a reserve list and it is very likely that most of the further 2,000 home supporters we could have sold tickets to would be the more casual fan anyway. What level of interest would the club have needed to give it the go-ahead? 500, the entire 2,000 on the register? Using the registry of interest was always likely to be a flawed basis for decision making. As the game approached and with the appropriate promotion i have little doubt that the extra tickets would have been sold. I do suspect that had Bridle been more involved in this then the outcome would have been very different. Combined with the enormous segregation between the supporters, the club and TVP are left looking rather less professional than their comparators.
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Post by moobs on Jan 26, 2012 10:59:15 GMT
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Post by scoob on Jan 26, 2012 11:07:19 GMT
The club has been saying for a long time that part of the decision would be based on the waiting list so if people really were that interested why could they not be bothered to make a five minute phone call. If the club had to sell 2,000 tickets to make this viable then having a list of 10% of that amount is bound to suggest insufficient interest. I am disappointed but this suggests that apathy on the part of our fans is partly to blame. It was always unrealistic to expect many supporters to register on the database for such a game. There is no prior history of OUFC running such a reserve list and it is very likely that most of the further 2,000 home supporters we could have sold tickets to would be the more casual fan anyway. What level of interest would the club have needed to give it the go-ahead? 500, the entire 2,000 on the register? Using the registry of interest was always likely to be a flawed basis for decision making. As the game approached and with the appropriate promotion i have little doubt that the extra tickets would have been sold. I do suspect that had Bridle been more involved in this then the outcome would have been very different. Combined with the enormous segregation between the supporters, the club and TVP are left looking rather less professional than their comparators. Why unrealistic? There has been plenty of publicity. BB (and others) could have recommended to his friends that they register. If they were so keen to get to the game then a quick call is nothing. If they could not be bothered to do this then would they have actually bought tickets or would they have been attracted to the dominoes competition in their local pub instead. I do not believe that there would be enough demand to sell 20% more than has already been sold when only 2% could be bothered to register.
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Post by Si Bradbury on Jan 26, 2012 11:20:08 GMT
BB did recommend that his friends register. The fact they didn't register interest six months in advance is one reason, perhaps they expected the stand to go up after the publicity of it and didn't need to register interest. Perhaps having sold the tickets out in a ridiculous amount of time, that was already showing the club the demand and appetite amongst Oxford fans?
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Post by WeAreTheResurrection on Jan 26, 2012 11:21:26 GMT
As them Swindon fans said, it will almost certainly stop trouble. 1200 Swindon fans (that will be made up mostly of shirters) are not going to try anything in Oxford, are they.
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Post by scoob on Jan 26, 2012 11:25:30 GMT
BB did recommend that his friends register. The fact they didn't register interest six months in advance is one reason, perhaps they expected the stand to go up after the publicity of it and didn't need to register interest. Perhaps having sold the tickets out in a ridiculous amount of time, that was already showing the club the demand and appetite amongst Oxford fans?Its a shame the apathy to the waiting list outweighed that then but I am still not convinced and I reckon most people who really wanted a ticket got one. Why should the club subsidise tickets for people who cant be bothered to pick up the phone? Using the figures quoted by the club I reckon that if a Temp stand had been built to accomodate 1500 Swindon Fans then it would have cost the club £3,000 even if there was a sell out and £13,000 if 1000 had been unsold.
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Post by surbitonyellow on Jan 26, 2012 11:26:27 GMT
It was always unrealistic to expect many supporters to register on the database for such a game. There is no prior history of OUFC running such a reserve list and it is very likely that most of the further 2,000 home supporters we could have sold tickets to would be the more casual fan anyway. What level of interest would the club have needed to give it the go-ahead? 500, the entire 2,000 on the register? Using the registry of interest was always likely to be a flawed basis for decision making. As the game approached and with the appropriate promotion i have little doubt that the extra tickets would have been sold. I do suspect that had Bridle been more involved in this then the outcome would have been very different. Combined with the enormous segregation between the supporters, the club and TVP are left looking rather less professional than their comparators. Why unrealistic? There has been plenty of publicity. BB (and others) could have recommended to his friends that they register. If they were so keen to get to the game then a quick call is nothing. If they could not be bothered to do this then would they have actually bought tickets or would they have been attracted to the dominoes competition in their local pub instead. I do not believe that there would be enough demand to sell 20% more than has already been sold when only 2% could be bothered to register. You are perhaps judging casual supporters by your own levels of committment. That doesn't make commercial sense. We have had more home supporters at a game in the past. How many supporters would have registered for a ticket for Woking? None i suspect, but it didn't prevent the club from attracting nearly 11,000 home supporters to a less attractive fixture.
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Post by scoob on Jan 26, 2012 11:37:48 GMT
Why unrealistic? There has been plenty of publicity. BB (and others) could have recommended to his friends that they register. If they were so keen to get to the game then a quick call is nothing. If they could not be bothered to do this then would they have actually bought tickets or would they have been attracted to the dominoes competition in their local pub instead. I do not believe that there would be enough demand to sell 20% more than has already been sold when only 2% could be bothered to register. You are perhaps judging casual supporters by your own levels of committment. That doesn't make commercial sense. We have had more home supporters at a game in the past. How many supporters would have registered for a ticket for Woking? None i suspect, but it didn't prevent the club from attracting nearly 11,000 home supporters to a less attractive fixture. You may be right but as I have shown above there could have been a significant loss if the club had not sold out. That is why the decision makes commercial sense and all of the other factors had to be taken into account by the club. Even with a sell out the club would be subsidising people who do not turn up very often. does that make commercial sense? If the club could profit from taking the risk then there would be no excuse but, if the figures we have been given are correct, then it makes sense to me. (I am surprised that the average ticket price is assumed to be under a tenner pre VAT for travelling fans so that suggests that half of the away fans will be OAPs & Kids) I have said before on this subject that I felt that the game should have been promoted as the largest crowd for almost 40 years and I am fairly sure that we would have sold out but I do not have all the facts that the club have at my disposal.
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Post by gary67 on Jan 26, 2012 11:38:37 GMT
This allocation has nipped any sign of crowd trouble in the bud straight away. They had good numbers here and its a f*cking pisser we can't do the same there. 1200 shirters aint gonna do jack shit and i suspect a fair few will get a slap. Them scum cunts are f*cking dying for us to come down the a420. Shame as a load of our lot would have come out the woodwork for this and showed up there in good numbers. They will take the p*ss now.
Getting their excuses in early ;D
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Post by surbitonyellow on Jan 26, 2012 11:52:57 GMT
You are perhaps judging casual supporters by your own levels of committment. That doesn't make commercial sense. We have had more home supporters at a game in the past. How many supporters would have registered for a ticket for Woking? None i suspect, but it didn't prevent the club from attracting nearly 11,000 home supporters to a less attractive fixture. You may be right but as I have shown above there could have been a significant loss if the club had not sold out. That is why the decision makes commercial sense and all of the other factors had to be taken into account by the club. Even with a sell out the club would be subsidising people who do not turn up very often. does that make commercial sense? I have said before on this subject that I felt that the game should have been promoted as the largest crowd for almost 40 years and I am fairly sure that we would have sold out but I do not have all the facts that the club have at my disposal. I think there are some fair points there. I think the club would have been better off not referring the registry of interest at all as i don't think it is the big sticking point. I think far bigger issues are likely to be ones regarding the relationship with the stadium company, potential semi-permenance of a fourth stand, police wishes and associated costs/services for the temporary stand. For reasons of political expediency they had probably preferred to justify their decision in another way. I presume the decision to have such excessive segregation is TVPs say so and it is that that is quite definitively costing the club revenue now.
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Post by iambungle on Jan 26, 2012 11:58:26 GMT
How many seats in the NS are we going to lose to "segregation"? If it's a whole block surely the club could rethink this, at least to give those on the waiting list (200 or so?) a chance of a ticket? That would be, what, a column of seats top 2 bottom 3 or 4 wide? Thats an extra £3k+ right there.
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Post by lofty on Jan 26, 2012 11:59:53 GMT
Any reason Bristol Robots reckoned they had the opportunity to buy 3000-odd tickets for their game at yours and actually took 1800 - how come our allocation is so low in comparison?
BTW, can't remember personally, but how many tickets did we get for that FA Cup game - I realise the rules are different for cup and league games
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